Effects freezes program

Bob-Nicholson wrote on 3/18/2024, 12:05 PM

Just upgraded Movie Studio Platinum 2023 to 2024. When I use the Effects, the program freezes and have to cancel. It's not as if I have an old computer but...... W11 Pro, i7-13700k 3.40GHz, 32 GB RAM, ASUS Z790-P PRIME WiFi Intel LGA 1700 ATX,Gigabyte NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 all latest updates. Any clues appreciated.

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CubeAce wrote on 3/18/2024, 12:41 PM

Hi Bob.

Seeing as the hardware side of things should be coping with at least 4K footage, the most common reasons for slow downs and freezing is not enough free space on the C: drive for the program to continuously generate the temp swap files it needs as those files can get huge, or the project drive is too slow to transfer the data in the packets needed or the project files are on the desktop or a thumb drive or stored in the cloud.

On the other hand some effects like noise reduction will cause any system to come to a crawl or perhaps using 10 bit files with effects may cause that. The latter of which I'm not overly sure of but that extra two bits is an awful lot more data to process.

Ray.

 

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Bob-Nicholson wrote on 3/18/2024, 1:28 PM

Thanks...... I export to D Drive 1TB SSD Samsung EVO 870 that has 886 GB free. The file is only 2GB 1920x1080. Doesn't do it in other programs Vegas Pro 21. Magix wanted $19.95 for upgrade over 2023. I was reluctant and should of listen to my instincts. I may go to Adobe...although it's subscription it works every time.

browj2 wrote on 3/18/2024, 2:02 PM

@Bob-Nicholson

Hi,

It works fine here.

What effects and what is the nature of the material on the timeline - any variable frame rate clips?

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Bob-Nicholson wrote on 3/18/2024, 2:12 PM

All the effects. When I check Effects on top after Import. The whole program freezes up and need to use Task Manager to delete. Just clips from my GoPro 12....I used the same file on Vegas Pro 21 with no issue..Perhaps a re-install may solve the issue...Shouldn't need to do this.

browj2 wrote on 3/18/2024, 2:16 PM

@Bob-Nicholson

Can you give us the MediaInfo text of the video clip? See this tutorial if you don't know how.

If the file is variable frame rate or the program doesn't like it for some reason, it may either freeze or freeze for a while and then come back. Turn on the task manager and watch the graph for the hard drive that has the material to see if it goes to 100%

Did you try a new project with different material?

John CB

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Bob-Nicholson wrote on 3/18/2024, 2:33 PM

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Complete name                            : D:\Movie Studio 2024\Black River.MP4
Format                                   : MPEG-4
Format profile                           : Base Media
Codec ID                                 : isom (isom/avc1)
File size                                : 2.09 GiB
Duration                                 : 13 min 40 s
Overall bit rate mode                    : Variable
Overall bit rate                         : 21.9 Mb/s
Frame rate                               : 29.970 FPS
Encoded date                             : 2024-03-18 17:32:44 UTC
Tagged date                              : 2024-03-18 17:32:44 UTC

Video
ID                                       : 1
Format                                   : AVC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile                           : High@L4
Format settings                          : CABAC / 4 Ref Frames
Format settings, CABAC                   : Yes
Format settings, Reference frames        : 4 frames
Format settings, GOP                     : M=3, N=30
Codec ID                                 : avc1
Codec ID/Info                            : Advanced Video Coding
Duration                                 : 13 min 40 s
Bit rate                                 : 21.8 Mb/s
Width                                    : 1 920 pixels
Height                                   : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate mode                          : Constant
Frame rate                               : 29.970 (30000/1001) FPS
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
Bit depth                                : 8 bits
Scan type                                : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.350
Stream size                              : 2.08 GiB (99%)
Language                                 : English
Encoded date                             : 2024-03-18 17:32:44 UTC
Tagged date                              : 2024-03-18 17:32:44 UTC
Codec configuration box                  : avcC

Audio
ID                                       : 2
Format                                   : AAC LC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Audio Codec Low Complexity
Codec ID                                 : mp4a-40-2
Duration                                 : 13 min 40 s
Bit rate mode                            : Variable
Bit rate                                 : 160 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 2 channels
Channel layout                           : L R
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate                               : 46.875 FPS (1024 SPF)
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Stream size                              : 15.7 MiB (1%)
Language                                 : English
Encoded date                             : 2024-03-18 17:32:44 UTC
Tagged date                              : 2024-03-18 17:32:44 UTC

browj2 wrote on 3/18/2024, 2:36 PM

@Bob-Nicholson

Did you try different material, like from a different source?

Under Program Settings, Device options tab, what do you have for Import, Processing and Export? What are the options?

John CB

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johnebaker wrote on 3/18/2024, 2:37 PM

@Bob-Nicholson

Hi

. . . . GeForce RTX 3060 all latest updates . . . .

Can you check:

  • The RTX 3060 drivers are version 551.76 (31.0.15.5176)
     
  • The Intel UHD 770 drivers are version 31.0.101.5333

Is the Intel iGPU available as an option in the program settings, Device options tab, Import, Processing and Export options.

Are the 3 options set to the RTX 3060?

. . . . I export to D Drive 1TB SSD Samsung EVO 870 that has 886 GB free . . . .

Where is the project file and the media used in the project stored?

@CubeAce commented:

. . . 'not enough free space on the C: drive for the program to continuously generate the temp swap files it needs as those files can get huge . . .

How much free space is there on the C:\ drive and what size is it?

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Bob-Nicholson wrote on 3/18/2024, 3:27 PM

@Bob-Nicholson

Did you try different material, like from a different source?

Under Program Settings, Device options tab, what do you have for Import, Processing and Export? What are the options?

John CB

Yes...same result.... Tried same material on Vegas Pro 21 Edit with no issues.

RTX 3060 for all

Bob-Nicholson wrote on 3/18/2024, 3:27 PM

@Bob-Nicholson

Hi

. . . . GeForce RTX 3060 all latest updates . . . .

Can you check:

  • The RTX 3060 drivers are version 551.76 (31.0.15.5176)
     
  • The Intel UHD 770 drivers are version 31.0.101.5333

Is the Intel iGPU available as an option in the program settings, Device options tab, Import, Processing and Export options.

Are the 3 options set to the RTX 3060?

. . . . I export to D Drive 1TB SSD Samsung EVO 870 that has 886 GB free . . . .

Where is the project file and the media used in the project stored?

@CubeAce commented:

. . . 'not enough free space on the C: drive for the program to continuously generate the temp swap files it needs as those files can get huge . . .

How much free space is there on the C:\ drive and what size is it?

John EB
Forum Moderator

How much free space is there on the C:\ drive and what size is it?

2TB SSD Samsung EVO 870 with 1.15 TB free

Is the Intel iGPU available as an option in the program settings,  NO

The RTX 3060 drivers are version 551.76 (31.0.15.5176)  31.0.15.5161

The Intel UHD 770 drivers are version 31.0.101.5333  Can't find

Are the 3 options set to the RTX 3060?  YES

CubeAce wrote on 3/18/2024, 5:20 PM

@Bob-Nicholson

Hi

There is little in the file that would seem to cause trouble. Your system should be coping.

Try going into the project movie settings and alter the frame speed to 30 fps and see if that helps. 29.970 fps is normally only found on interlaced footage, not progressive.

If that doesn't work try opening up the nvidia control panel and under Help open the system specs and make sure your nvidia card is using PCIe 16 and not 8 or it could be how your SSDs are, or Bios is, configured.

Ray.

 

Windows 10 Enterprise. Version 22H2 OS build 19045.5011

Direct X 12.1 latest hardware updates for Western Digital hard drives.

Asus ROG STRIX Z390-F Gaming motherboard Rev 1.xx with Supreme FX inboard audio using the S1220A code. Driver No 6.0.8960.1 Bios version 1401

Intel i9900K Coffee Lake 3.6 to 5.1GHz CPU with Intel UHD 630 Graphics .Driver version Graphics Driver 31.0.101.2130 for 7th-10th Gen Intel® with 64GB of 3200MHz Corsair DDR4 ram.

1000 watt EVGA modular power supply.

1 x 250GB Evo 970 NVMe: drive for C: drive backup 1 x 1TB Sabrent NVMe drive for Operating System / Programs only. 1X WD BLACK 1TB internal SATA 7,200rpm hard drives.1 for internal projects, 1 for Library clips/sounds/music/stills./backup of working projects. 1x500GB SSD current project only drive, 2x WD RED 2TB drives for latest footage storage. Total 21TB of 8 external WD drives for backup.

ASUS NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 12GB. nVidia Studio driver version 560.81 - 3584xCUDA cores Direct X 12.1. Memory interface 192bit Memory bandwidth 360.05GB/s 12GB of dedicated GDDR6 video memory, shared system memory 16307MB PCi Express x8 Gen3. Two Samsung 27" LED SA350 monitors with 5000000:1 contrast ratios at 60Hz.

Running MMS 2024 Suite v 23.0.1.182 (UDP3) and VPX 14 - v20.0.3.180 (UDP3)

M Audio Axiom AIR Mini MIDI keyboard Ver 5.10.0.3507

VXP 14, MMS 2024 Suite, Vegas Studio 16, Vegas Pro 18, Cubase 4. CS6, NX Studio, Mixcraft 9 Recording Studio. Mixcraft Pro 10 Studio.

Audio System 5 x matched bi-wired 150 watt Tannoy Reveal speakers plus one Tannoy 15" 250 watt sub with 5.1 class A amplifier. Tuned to room with Tannoy audio application.

Ram Acoustic Studio speakers amplified by NAD amplifier.

Rogers LS7 speakers run from Cambridge Audio P50 amplifier

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