@johnebaker

Here is the timeline

Let me explain again.

If I generate a DVD ISO everything works in VLC. If I burn the BD (I use Nero) an play in a real Panasonic blu-ray player attached to my TV I can select any chapter from the Menu and play it.

If I generate a BD ISO in VLC and real Panasonic blu-ray player, I can see the video only if I play from the start. If I select a chapter from the Menu, I see a black screen (video doen't start) but I am able to hear the audio.

In the simulation inside MS it works correctly.

I am using Purple Glass template.

I burned info BD RE..

I sucessfully used this process with PowerDirectory many times... This is my first experience with MS....... IMHO Not a good start...

Cheers

Hi @johnebaker

one more thing. If I import the DVD ISO with Handbrake everything works. If I try to import the BD I have this error.

HTH

Export as Blu Ray h.264.... the MPEG2 takes about 19 hours.....😕

@karataka

Hi

. . . . Let me explain again. . . .

What the DVD does is only relevant in so far as the issue would appear to be not related to the video/audio formats on the timeline, this was concluded from your original post.

Therefore the issue is either:

1. The timeline layout you are using, from your timeline image it looks like you are following the Power Director timeline layout, for adding media, which is 'bottom up', in theory the layout you have used in Movie Studio 'should' work for a single video track, however it is not the conventional layout that is used in Movie Studio.
   
   Movie Studio is 'top down' ie track 1 is the lowest layer ie contains the background video/images, video images - you can best see this by loading the Magix Demo project.
    
2. . . . . I burned info BD RE . . . .
   Do you mean as a data disc? if so then this will not work
    
3. Try the following to eliminate layout as being an issue:
   
   Move the audio on track 1 to track 5.
   
   Move the video (MP4) and its associated audio to tracks 1 and 2.
   
   Burn a Bluray image use the h.264 option for the encoding format - do not change any other burn settings.
   
   Added:  if you get the message shown below select Encode all.
   
   
   
    
4. To eliminate Nero as the cause of the issue
   
   Once you have created the ISO file, using Windows Explorer right click the file and select, Show more options if necessary, then Burn to disc.
   
   

John EB

Hi @johnebaker

I don't want to be rude but I am more than 30 years of software engineer so I am aware the difference between burning an ISO or a data DVD (your point 2). I made several DVD and BD with PowerDirector so I consider myself confident on various workflow.

I tried your suggestion on point 3 and I have the same problem. Let me clarify that the problem is visible in VLC, PowerDVD and real phisical disc.

Step 1: I insert the disc and I see the menu:

Step 2: I press play and I see video and audio as expected

Step 3: Eject the BD and start from scratch again. Insert the disc and go to the chapter

Step 4: Select any of the chapter. Result is that I see a black screen and the audio start normally.

Hence: Houston we have a problem.

These are my considerations: It is not a layout problem as I tested with your suggestion. I inspected the BD with BDedit and for what is see the MPLS generated seems not correct. I have about 30 chapters...

I will try to see how it works with mpeg2

Cheers

Andrea

Update:apparently "jump to a chapter" works as expected for a mpeg2. Bug?

@karataka

Hi

. . . . Update:apparently "jump to a chapter" works as expected for a mpeg2. Bug? . . . .

I doubt very much that it is a bug, the only change is the video format and the 'in points' of the chapters which are time based and are not embedded in the video stream

During testing a 30 chaptered test project I did discover a possible bug while working on the chapters, however, deliberately recreating what I saw happen did not stop the chapters video playing in the burned disc.

One question I forgot to ask is when playing a chapter, is the audio playing correct for the chapter?

For comparison, below is the BDedit data of a 30 chapter BD disc encoded h.264 made with MMS 2025, all burn settings were default. The chapters play fine with the correct video and audio in VLC, PowerDVD and on my Sony BD player.

In the mpls section (right image) you can see there is the main movie stream 00000.mpls, the main menu 00001mpls and 5 chapter menus 00002 - 00006.mpls.

The corresponding MTS files on disc are shown below

Side note:

When editing the menu pages particularly Chapter menus, and placing more than 12 chapters per page, I have had issues with some templates, though not the 'no video' one you are having.

The best template I have found for editing is Red Smoke.

John EB

Hi @johnebaker,

as I explained, the answer is yes, the audio playing correct for the chapter.

Anyway, I've just finished a new job, and I have the same problem. For the latter, I used a different menu template. The burned BD works only if I export with mpeg2.

I asked for a refund, unfortunatelly. I like the timeline editing, but I believe that there are a lot of areas where MS has to improve. For example there is no "Close project" option on the File menu......

I would consider MS in the future.

Andrea

@karataka

Hi,

About your comment:

there are a lot of areas where MS has to improve. For example there is no "Close project" option on the File menu......

Why would one need a "Close project" option?

You either want to close the program, start a new project, or open an existing project, all for which you have options. No "Close project" option is required.

John CB

Hi @browj2,

because I like to press Ctrl + W 😀

Jokes apart, in terms of UX it would avoid to see a warning message

.

Moreover, I believe it is a good idea to have a way to close projects like I do in other softwares. This is because it can help you to free up resources like memory and other resources that the project is using.

Please don't get me wrong, this was just an observation taken from personal experience.

Andrea

@karataka

Hi,

it would avoid to see a warning message

I see. You must be used to video editing programs that don't have the same multi-movie features of MS/VPX where you can either open another project within the open project or close the open project and open the selected project. The message has to be there otherwise there would have to be some other more complicated way to do it.

In your case, you didn't want to close the project, you wanted to open an existing project and you already had a project open, which is why you got the message giving you the options.

If you open an existing project within the open project, the existing project is placed in a separate Movie or Movies, if more than one.

Your "Close project" would just be the same as creating a new project as we can't have just a blank screen. Then, if you decide to open an existing project, there is no warning message so long as you put nothing on the timeline of the new project or did not save it. Having "Close project" making a new project would just be redundant with the "New project" option.

Thus to do what you want, simply create a New project.

I understand your point about freeing up resources. Creating a new project only slightly reduces memory, usually. Each iteration of new/existing projects and adding material without exiting the program increases the overhead, according to what I see in the task manager under Movie Studio (video deluxe). The only way to actually release memory is to close and restart the program. Memory management could probably be better, but is this not the same in most programs?

John CB

@karataka @johnebaker

Bit of drift, but I do agree with Karataka on the "closing" business. It is not Windows-logic to have to click "New Project" then have to close the open project.

Look at how many programs have a File>Close option. It works well and I use it often. When you do that, a new, blank document/project appears.

Magix's method isn't a big deal but it is another non-standard "obstacle" that needs to be learnt-about, and therefore detracts from the experience.

In software engineering and UX fields, if you want to evaluate a user interface, also not IT or strictly Windows, you can use 10 Usability Heuristics (Nielsen Norman). The "closing" business I choose as example, is a failure of heuristic 4: Consistency and Standards.

@AAProds comment just confirmed this.

https://www.nngroup.com/articles/ten-usability-heuristics/

P.S. I suggest to start a new topic because this thread is related to another problem.

Andrea

@karataka

Hello Andrea,

I follow your topic with interest.

You write: "A burned BD disk only works if I export with mpeg2". A H.264 burned BD disk also does not play in my LG BP250 Blu-Ray / DVD player, but it does if I burned it as Mpeg2. My BP250 Blu-Ray / DVD player does not support H.264 burned BD disk. Probably your Panasonic Blu-Ray player cannot handle H.264 either, but only Mpeg2?

The same H.264 burned BD disk does play in VLC media player version 3.0.21 Vetinari and PowerDVD14.

Best wishes.
Rob

@Bol

Hi Rob

. . . . BP250 Blu-Ray / DVD player does not support H.264 burned BD disk . . . .

The Blu-Ray standard specification includes h.264/AVC and VC1 as supported formats as well as mpeg-2, these should be supported by BD players and all are in the m2ts container file format.

The specs for the BP-250 indicate it supports the above required formats and several different video formats such as DivX and MKV.

One thing you do have to watch is the regional code that the player supports. If this is an issue, the player should popup an onscreen message to that effect

Is the BDP250 firmware up to date? The last version is dated 14.11.2022.

John EB

Hi @Bol,

my Panasonic BD-84 supports H.264.

I've just burned a project with PowerDirector and works nicely on VLC and Panasonic reader.

Cheers

Andrea

Das Problem, was karataka beschreibt, habe ich auch. Allerdings ist das auf meinem Rechner neu. Kann ein Update bei Windows 10 die Ursache sein. Leider kann ich mit den englischen Antworten der Community nichts anfangen. Vielleicht kann jemand auf deutsch helfen.

@johnebaker

Hi John,

.....Is the BDP250 firmware up to date? The latest version is dated 14.11.2022....

Thank you for pointing me to the latest firmware update. I'm going to update this to the latest firmware in the coming week. As far as I can determine, H.264 is supported. I will test some things and let you know the test results.

Have a nice weekend,
Rob

@karataka

Hi Andrea,

I read in the manual that my LG BP250 supports H.264. But I'm going to find out if I burn a standard Blu-Ray disc on H.264, it will also play on my Blu-Ray player.

I'll let you know.

Best wishes,
Rob

@Magixfanfan

Hallo

Liegt das Problem an der Fachsprache im englischen Forum oder an der Übersetzung von Englisch nach Deutsch?

Für die Übersetzung von Englisch nach Deutsch liefert Google Translate normalerweise eine angemessene Übersetzung.

Dieser Kommentar ist eine Google-Übersetzung. Ich verwende ihn hauptsächlich, um mein Verständnis einiger Diskussionspunkte von Beiträgen im deutschsprachigen Forum zu bestätigen. Ich spreche zwar ein bisschen Deutsch, aber meine Grammatik ist nicht immer korrekt. Den Großteil der verwendeten Fachsprache verstehe ich. Meine Frau ist Deutsche und sagt mir, ich müsse mehr Deutsch sprechen.

Bitte erstellen Sie ein Support-Ticket mithilfe der Support-Option oben auf dieser Forumsseite und fügen Sie einen Link zu diesem Thema ein.

@karataka hat festgestellt, dass die Videokapitel mit der MPEG-2-Videocodierungsoption (siehe Abbildung unten) korrekt wiedergegeben werden.

Bei Verwendung der MPEG-2-Option werden größere Dateien auf der Blu-ray-Disk erzeugt, was die maximale Wiedergabezeit um etwa 15 - 20 % reduziert.

John EB
Forum Moderator

Hallo johnebaker, danke für die Antwort. Mit dem MP2-Codex ist auch bei mir alles O.K. Aber warum funktioniert der H.264- Codex plötzlich nicht mehr. Bei V.d.L. 2022Plus, 2023 Plus und ganz neu 2025 Plus. Mit dem alten V.d.L. 2016 funktioniert der H.264-Codex noch. Das ist ein Rätsel. Gruß Magixfanfan

@Magixfanfan, @karataka

Hi

The reason why the video chapters do not play properly is very strange, if the movie will play from start to finish, then the chapters should play as well. The chapters are time markers which tell the player the time in the video stream to start playing the video.

The only reason I can think of is that an All in one' codec pack such as K-Lite is installed, and it is encoding the video in an unusual way such that the video can play only from the start.  These 'All in One' codecs have been known to cause some issues with encoding.

If you have an 'All in one' codec pack installed, try uninstalling it, restart the computer and try creating the disc or ISO file again.
 

Hallo

Der Grund, warum die Videokapitel nicht richtig abgespielt werden, ist sehr seltsam. Wenn der Film von Anfang bis Ende abgespielt wird, sollten auch die Kapitel abgespielt werden. Wie ich oben geschrieben habe, sind die Kapitel Zeitmarkierungen, die dem Player mitteilen, wann mit der Wiedergabe des Videos begonnen werden soll.

Der einzige Grund, der mir einfällt, ist, dass ein All-in-One-Codec-Paket wie K-Lite installiert ist und das Video auf ungewöhnliche Weise codiert, sodass das Video nur von Anfang an abgespielt werden kann. Diese All-in-One-Codecs verursachen bekanntermaßen einige Probleme bei der Codierung.

Wenn Sie ein All-in-One-Codec-Paket installiert haben, versuchen Sie, es zu deinstallieren, starten Sie den Computer neu und versuchen Sie erneut, die Disc oder ISO-Datei zu erstellen.

John EB