"Wrong" 4:3 images should have been 16:9 to fil TV screen

FF22 wrote on 10/9/2022, 12:23 PM

Okay, ages ago it was suggested to use the entire camera sensor, that is 4:3 and then selectively edit to 16:9.

BUT now I have all of these 4:3 images which show up, well, as a smaller image on my 16:9 TV. Is there a simple (always looking for simple) way to making those HUNDREDS 4:3 images 16:9. And I don't want to distort them so obviously I need to crop them for a 16:9 resultant images. I don't care about the limited portrait images. I would just like to make those 4:3 into 16:9.

I do realize that cropping might result in some of the images having the focal point be shifted from that might have been center.is now offset.

Or any ideas. I know that I once used Faststone editor to grab 16:9 sections of those 4:3. Not sure if it could be used or automated with only the occasional intervention to grab a different section.

All ideas either in Magix or elsewhere to accomplish this objective.

Thanks.

Back to post

Comments

Former user wrote on 10/15/2022, 10:00 PM

@FF22 I'm not exactly sure what you mean by 'globally reset' but this all sounds like user error, you say it didn't save yet the section you added is being applied, you don't need to globally reset, if you don't want to loose all the settings & changes you've applied make a copy of the project folder (all files inc the MVP file) & rename it, then work on that copy, try to back trace & repair what you have done or done wrong, Then you'll always have the orig project in case you totally cock it up.

I'm off to bed, it's 4am here, best of luck 👍

FF22 wrote on 10/15/2022, 10:11 PM

@Former user

Oh, yes, backups and more backups. Particularly when I was resizing them and moving in and out of folders. I just muddling through, again, piece by piece and fixing the "size"

I have already tweaked my phone to shoot 16:9 from now on. I still have to tweak the camera. Forget this "use the entire sensor" and them crop them accordingly. I modestly think that *I* do a good job composing and don't need to tweak 400 pictures after the fact to get them to be full-screen tv sized. As I also wrote, I have to remember not to shoot video in PORTRAIT orientation - at least, not often. It make for clumsy viewing. At least, the phone portrait videos don't have to be rotated like the old days. I have a few Yosemite Waterfalls lying on their sides! 😂

4AM. Thanks for staying up. England or the Continent. Iceland was 7 hours.

AAProds wrote on 10/16/2022, 12:48 AM

@FF22

Forget this "use the entire sensor" and them crop them accordingly.

I wouldn't worry about that. It is merely marketing blurb... "we made this great 4:3 sensor and you don't want to use the top and bottom? Shock horror!" they say. The fact of the matter is any self-respecting media player/viewer is/watches 16:9 these days and these dinosaur 4:3 wallys should get with the program. 🙂 That said, there are situations where a more vertical shot, up to an including portrait, is necessary because you can't get far enough back, but they are relatively rare and in most cases, at least some of the top and/or bottom can be trimmed off with Section.

I know it's probably a bit harsh to say but I tend to agree with Gid: operator error. No reflection on you, this stuff does take time to get you head around.

I suggest you start another, short "training" project, just a few 4:3 images, and practice manipulating them with the Section effect, closing it then re-opening it just to b=get really familiar with the functions. As I said, your effort was great but I think it may just have ben finger trouble that you lost all your edits.

Remember, set your movie settings to HD TV>Full HD 1080p, and set your MMS preview monitor to the same ratio (16:9; right click on the monitor>Resolution Presets, choose any of the 16:9 presets that will give you the screen size you like).

Try to use the timeline: if nothing else, you get a visual indication of how long your images are, how long the titles run and you can see the name of effects applied in the titles of the objects. You can increase the height of each timeline track so it is easier to see what each image is: click the + and - signs on the bottom of the vertical scroll bar of the timeline window. I haven't used the Storyboard for years.

Reyfox wrote on 10/18/2022, 6:47 AM

@AAProds, I shoot still images in 4:3 all the time. The reason? Higher resolution than shooting in 16:9 with my Panasonic G9. or any camera that I am aware of. Cropping the images is easy.

Video is always 16:9.

CubeAce wrote on 10/18/2022, 7:44 AM

@Reyfox

Hi.

Shooting images of video at 16:9 compared to 4:3 only chops the top and bottom of the image so effectively is not a lower resolution. It would still have the same amount of photo-sites per mm. You could argue that shooting stills in raw or tiff would be a higher resolution than shooting jpg as there would be more information due to the lack of compression processing or settings taken during shooting that can't be completely reversed in a jpg.

Ray.

Reyfox wrote on 10/18/2022, 8:13 AM

@CubeAce you are starting with a lower resolution image shooting 16:9. My camera will shoot 4:3 at 20mp. Go to 16:9 of the same image, 14.5mp. That's a lot of chopping.

CubeAce wrote on 10/18/2022, 8:59 AM

@Reyfox

Resolution is measured in pixels per inch / cm, whatever. If you change the ratio of the image it does not change that. Place an object in the centre of an image. Take one shot at 4:3 and another at 16:9. Take them as a raw images. Zoom in 100% or higher and view them in a photo editing package as viewing them in Windows will view the embedded jpg within the raw file and not the raw data. If the camera has been held rock solid and there is no variation of view, the two images will have the same resolution. All you miss is the chopped off areas. You are confusing resolution with frame size.

Ray.

FF22 wrote on 10/18/2022, 11:33 AM

I want to thank folks for the continued discussion. As I understand it Faststone photo editor has an option to crop to 16:9 in a lossless process. So presumably there would be no loss of resolution only the chopping of what *I* would consider less than desirable elements of the photo and thereby resulting in images that fill the entire 16:9 tv (or other) screen. I do not know how Magix processes this cropping when changing 4:3 to 16:9. It might very well be lossless or NOT!

In my case, the cropping after the fact and once the darn images were incorporated into the project resulted in a lot of time loss and fiddling. In addition, whether it was me or Magix, a lot of the crops were lost between go-arounds. The next time I opened the project, some "cropped" images were no longer cropped. Requiring more fiddling. So, for *me*, I will attempt to frame 16:9 images as best I can when initially shooting and not have to crop after the fact. I can deal with using less than the full sensor hoping that both Google (Pixel 6Pro) and Panasonic are not reducing resolution but merely cutting off top/bottom.

Frankly, yesterday I just went in and edited a few of my VERTICAL/Portrait videos into 16:9 landscape trying to capture the mail focus of the video but making the viewing result a bit more pleasurable.. I'm sure some would consider that a sin. Me, not so much.

I just hope there are enough more years where I can practice this learning on more fascinating trips.