@CubeAce @Jeff-Reed

I think that site is a con. Do not use that software.

The ADVC-110, AFAIK, does not have upgradeable firmware, and certainly doesn't have Windows 10 software drivers. It uses your Firewire card, which is run by the standard Microsoft Firewire/IEEE1394 driver. These drivers might not be installed automatically.

Given your computer has a Firewire port, Win 10 may well have the drivers for the IEE1394 card. Here's mine:

If you have that, you should be in luck.

The ADVC-110 will come up as a Microsoft DV Camera when you try to transfer from it.

Software to use to "transfer" your DV is:

Premiere... possibly.

Movie Edit Pro...possibly (mine worked a while ago but not now)

WinDV... possibly (see MEP comment above)

Scenealyzer: Yes. If Scenealyzer can't see the ADVC-110, there is something amiss with your Win 10 Firewire driver installation. My Scenealyzer guide is here.

However, some Win 10 installs do not install the firewire drivers, and you will need to do that yourself. Do a search for Windows 10 IEEE1394 drivers only from a reputable site. Try this one:

https://www.studio1productions.com/Articles/Firewire-1.htm

@Jeff-Reed

Hi Jeff.

On further research it may not be possible. The card may not be compatible with any newer editing packages.

It may be time to look for a newer video capture card.

Ray

@Jeff-Reed @CubeAce

Hi Jeff (from another Jeff) and Ray.

On further research it may not be possible. The card may not be compatible with any newer editing packages.

I don't think that is correct, sorry Ray!

I have a Green Valley (aka Canopus) ACE DVio PCI card in my computer (so admittedly internal rather than a external unit) and it performs flawlessly, capturing to Movie Edit Pro, Video Pro X and Scenealyzer. The card includes a firewire port. I also have a separate PCI card with two full size and one miniature ports, which I use all the time for my external MOTU Audio Interface, as well as for those times when I need to download video files from FW-equipped video cameras. This card has a TI Chipset, which is/was often recommended as the best type to use, for reliability etc. (It has never let me down!)

With regard to drivers, in the early days of Win 10 it was necessary to find and install the Legacy FW drivers since the default install by W10 was a newer driver which often did not work. (I'm still running that Legacy driver, though I think that the "standard" W10 one may now be usable.)

HTH

Jeff
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@emmrecs

Hi Jeff.

I was trying to find the manufacturers website and all links went to the Grass Valley site. I could not find any information there and they no longer sell those cards. I did say 'may not be possible' as I wasn't sure. In fact there are so many of those cards for sale second hand at present it got me wondering as to why.

Ray.

There are no drivers for the ADVC-110. There's no point in looking for them. It is treated by Windows as a DV camera using the Microsoft IEEE1394 drivers, as per that website I linked to.

I found only 4 on Ebay, and they're being sold not because they are bad but because they've outlived their usefulness; I suspect people have finished their transfer of analogue video, which is what these are/were used for. Also, many new computers/motherboards don't have Firewire ports.

Now if @Jeff-Reed doesn't have a Firewire card in his machine, he could consider buying a USB capture stick. But that is going down a deep rabbit hole and is not for the faint-hearted (or shallow pocketed). Otherwise, there's nothing wrong with DV, especially PAL DV, for analogue video transfer. I have fond memories of working with DV: fast, with timecode, scene detection that works. Great stuff.

@Jeff-Reed

Hi Jeff R.

I believe that the question was about which software to use.

They all do about the same. Try installing the trial version of Movie Edit Pro Plus or Premium and then try the FireWire import.

Do you have other plans for using video and for what? Then we can guide you better.

Video Pro X can link to Samplitude/Sequoia if that is of any interest to you.

John CB

Thanks everyone for your responses. To be clear, I have the external canopus ADVC 110 device, not a PCI card version. I was assuming I would need to buy a PCI card with a FireWire port to see if the canopus external device would be recognized.

Since my Dell XPS 8930 Tower does not have a firewire port, I figure I would start by getting a firewire card. However, if there are more current PCI video capture cards that are stable with a particular software I AM OPEN (correction) to starting over regarding capture devices/cards.

Emmrecs, is that Green Valley card you have still available? Not sure if that would be a used search, or if they still sell them new. If you guys would recommend starting over with a newer capture card that works reliably with one of these softwares, i’m open to starting over and spending money if it’s a tried and true hardware software solution.

My primary goals are to capture videos from an old mini DV camera, other old video cameras with only RCA output, VHS tapes, and potentially using the software to make music videos in the future.

Appreciate all the input!

Jeff

@Jeff-Reed

Hi

. . . . Canopus ADVC110 device, which connects via IEEE1394 (firewire) . . . . I was assuming I would need to buy a PCI card with a FireWire port . . .

As your computer does not have a card or Firewire port on the motherboard then you will need to install a card, however the issue then becomes a question of drivers for Windows.

Firewire is an old connection type/protocol which has to all intents been superseded by USB to the point where support for the standard started being dropped from around 2008 onwards to the point where they were removed from Windows 8 onwards. Windows 10 drivers are very rare as they must be 64 bit drivers, 32 bit drivers will not work with modern 64 bit programs

The alternative is to get a good quality USB video capture device however you need to ensure it is compatible with Windows 10 and has 64 bit drivers - for most of the cheap devices you find on Amazon and elsewhere, the hardware/drivers may not match up to the claims.

HTH

John EB

Good points John, and I corrected my post above. I meant to say I am open to new devices but I accidentally typed not. Ordered a star Tech PCI Express card for firewire 400 today and plan to try it out with a demo of movie edit pro. I figured for 35 bucks it’s worth a try if it actually recognizes my canopus. If not, I’ll be looking for recommendations of other PCI cards or capture devices.

@Jeff-Reed Make sure your machine can take PCI cards. You may be limited to PCIe.

Ordered a star Tech PCI card for firewire 400 today and plan to try it out with a demo of movie edit pro.

As I mentioned at the start, there are other, free, programs for "capturing" DV. In fact, I don't like using MEP because it won't split files by date. This makes it easier to archive. My normal workflow is to capture with WinDV or Scenealyzer then edit and output to DVD or MP4 with MEP.

Good looking out AAprods. What device or card are you using to connect cameras to your computer to import video?

This is what I ordered.

https://www.amazon.com/StarTech-com-Port-Express-FireWire-Card/dp/B08339PGM8/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?crid=3C619337Q6ZEK&keywords=StarTech.com+2+Port+PCI+Express+FireWire+Card+-+1394a+Firewire+-+TI+TSB82AA2+Chipset+-+Windows+%26+Mac+Compatible+%28PEX1394A2V2%29&qid=1638680944&sprefix=startech.com+2+port+pci+express+firewire+card+-+1394a+firewire+-+ti+tsb82aa2+chipset+-+windows+%26+mac+compatible+pex1394a2v2+%2Caps%2C126&sr=8-1

On the reviews it sounded like a previous version of the card or previous Windows 10 OS did not have drivers for this. I looked over the link you posted also. From the reviews of this product, it sounds like a lot of users had issues when they installed legacy drivers. Newer users report that the current Windows 10 OS version immediately recognizes the card in some cases. Most of the people who had trouble with this card appeared to be trying to use it as a connection to an audio interface.

I will try and install it and report back and see if I luck out.

@Jeff-Reed Jeff, I have precisely the same card sitting on my shelf waiting for my new machine.

Currently, my Firewire port is on the motherboard. When I clean-installed Win 10 in 2017 (and later) I didn't update or install any IEEE1394 drivers; Windows did it automatically. As I mentioned at the start, MEP will possibly work. Mine doesn't, but that could be because my setup is a huge dog's breakfast of software and codecs. WinDV will similarly not work, but Scenealyzer does, which indicates to me that my IEEE1394 drivers are OK.

I'll do some test captures with my ADVC-100 and compare them with my IOData GV-USB2 USB capture stick. The NTSC purists hate DV captures of analogue video with a passion (eg through an ADVC-XXX), but there is no question that if you have a DV source eg your video camera, you should use Firewire to capture it (or more correctly, "transfer" it).

@Jeff-Reed

I don't think my capture card is available any longer but, essentially, your ADVC is an "external" version of it anyway! So, having one is not going to offer any real benefit over your unit.

As others have pointed out, the problem for you is to have a suitable firewire card and port As I wrote before, I have such ports on both the ACE DVio card and on a separate PCI card; both work without problem in Win 10. Having had a quick look at the entries for them under Device Manager they seem to both be using the Legacy Win 10 FW driver. If, having installed your new card, you find that Windows doesn't "see" it, try installing that Legacy driver. If you scroll down this page you will find instructions on how to go about this.

HTH

Jeff

@emmrecs Jeff, I linked to that further up. 😉

@AAProds

Hi Alwyn

. . . . Windows 10 drivers are very rare . . . .

I was referring to 64 bit versions.

The link to the Microsoft IEEE drivers when followed through takes you to installing Windows 8.1 32 bit drivers on Windows 10.

While this, and a workaround to get them installed and enabled, is possible, a 64 bit program cannot see them as Windows does not support use of 32 bit drivers by 64 bit programs, .

John EB

@AAProds

Hi Al.

"Great minds think alike ..."

@johnebaker

Hi John

I understand what you're saying re 32 and 64 bit drivers, but, as I wrote, on my computer the FW ports function exactly as intended (and Windows Device Manager says it is using a driver from 2006. And it is installed in the system32 folder).

Jeff

@emmrecs

Windows Device Manager says it is using a driver from 2006. And it is installed in the system32 folder

Mine too.

@johnebaker

John, thanks, my mistake, JIC it causes problems, post deleted. 👍

Step 4 of the Studio1 Productions webpage details grabbing the 64bit driver.

@emmrecs, @AAProds

Hi

I wonder if the Bridge32_v103.exe that also starts with MEP/VPX, also provides for Firewire drivers among its functions, as I understand it, it is for backwards compatibly with features from older versions that are 32 bit, for USB it appears not to as I had to find 64 bit drivers for my old USB video capture dongle to be recognised.

OT: Alwyn, the Studio 1 comment was useful 👍 - I found the pinouts for the Sony multifunction socket and their functions there, I may be able get the controls of my underwater housing modded for my current camera.

John EB

@johnebaker

Hi John.

I really don’t know about that Bridge32 program but the FW ports on my computer work with ALL my audio apps (my audio interface is on a FW connection) as well as with DV camera input to MEP, VPX and Scenealyzer. The latter is clearly not a Magix program.

Jeff

Raw Captures done with a LG 990 VCR, Composite only, all captured and processed with MEP. The ADVC is DV-AVI, the others are captured in MPEG 2 at 10,000kbps.

Note the very grainy/noisy ADVC

ADVC with Neat video denoiser applied - chalk and cheese:

ADVC and GV-USB2 compared, both tweaked:

I had transferred to the GV-USB2 or the Startech last year. But that was before the lads here mentioned Neat video for noise reduction and I think that, for all the fiddling around with USB captures, the ADVC is a better overall option.

However, if you have a difficult tape eg that red/orange bleeding on the edges (chroma shift), the best way to deal with that is to capture in an analogue AVI format using an analogue capture card and process it with Virtual Dub or AVISynth.

Well gents, I have good news to report. Got the Star Tech PCIe firewire 400 card and my Dell running Windows 10 recognized it as soon as I booted up the machine after the card install. No legacy drivers have been needed as of yet. Downloaded a trial version of Magix Movie Edit Premium, and the application recognized and recorded audio and video from my external Canopus ADVC110, which was fed analog audio video from a VHS player to the Canopus. My wife "rearranged" my closet, so I will need to find my "DV" camera to test that next. Very happy so far.

I tried to upload the same tape to iMovie on a Mac laptop a while back, but it cut my video apart every minute or so, and it was absolute garbage so I refused to proceed. Hence I pursued a Windows solution.

I will have to check out the Neat video AAprods, impressive results, and killer plane. I wanted to be a fighter pilot growing up, but gave up once I was prescribed bifocals at age 8! =) . If I may also ask, what is the purist way that the "NTSC folks" prefer to import analog video? What devices do they use?

I'm happy to have something that works now. Just curious about best practices for VHS/analog import. I'm an audio junkie, so video is not my forte.

All the best and many thanks for the guidance here!

Jeff

@Jeff-Reed

Hi Jeff

. . . . I will have to check out the Neat video . . . .

I too have Neat video and agree it is very good, however do be aware that it is a very processor/gpu intensive plug-in and export rates can drop dramatically depending on the export resolution.

@AAProds - what sort of frame rates do you get on your exports when NV is used?

John EB