Why is Sound Forge bundled with Samplitude Pro X3?

discburn wrote on 10/10/2017, 5:27 AM

The latest upgrade offer from Samplitude Pro X2 to Samplitude Pro X3 is available to me. And I’m tempted to go for it. I can see why Melodyne is included, since it might do a more 'advanced' job of pitch/harmony than Samplitude. However, I can't see the advantage of having Sound Forge Pro 11 included. Doesn't Samplitude do everything Sound Forge does? Can anyone enlighten me on that?

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browj2 wrote on 10/10/2017, 2:24 PM

Hi,

Answer: Probably because Magix acquired SF from Sony updated it and knew that Sam users would probably not buy it, so they bundled it for free with Sam ProX3 Suite. It is not linked to Sam but it has its usefulness.

See this link in the Samplitude forum. If you're not a member, you will have to join. Do a search for SoundForge and you will find more about what was said.

John CB

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discburn wrote on 10/11/2017, 7:17 AM

Thanks John! I’ve joined the Samplitude forum.

I guess Sound Forge is a type of Wavelab. I actually have Wavelab, and use it for some things instead of Samplitude. I also use Goldwave for other stuff.

So, yeah, Sound Forge: why not? 😀

Seamus

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browj2 wrote on 10/11/2017, 10:14 AM

Hi Seamus,

If you have never seen them before, take a look at the tutorials by Kraznet on YouTube, or at least take note of them in case there is something of interest.

I use Magix Audio & Music Lab for cleaning and mastering the audio for videos. AML is attached as the External Audio Editor in Video Pro X. This can be changed to another one, like Soundforge, for cleaning a file for a video. I haven't got my head around SF yet, so I continue with AML, which has features similar to those found in Sam C&R suite.

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discburn wrote on 10/11/2017, 1:52 PM

Thanks John, I’ll have a go at that.

Seamus

GRB wrote on 12/5/2017, 12:49 AM

Hey guys, I felt the same until I saw in another related comment post about its uses and a link to the Groove 3 tutorial on it. The free access intro video tells lots about it. I watched the whole course today as I am a member of Groove 3.

https://www.groove3.com/Sony-training-video-tutorials/Sound-Forge-Pro-11-for-Windows-Explained

Great course, examples, and clear focused info from instructor. I recommend it if you have access, or at least the free preview intro there!

Cheers and may the Music Season be 24/7/365 !

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discburn wrote on 12/5/2017, 3:40 AM

Thanks gregrband. That's peaked my interest. I've actually committed to buying the upgrade. Now, at £114.99 it's a 'no brainer' for me, even if I never use Sound Forge! And Kraznet's tutorials on Samplitude Pro X3 indicate that the upgrade is very stable and worth having. You never know when a feature or plugin is exactly what you need to create something entirely new or fix a problem.

JohnnyBlade wrote on 12/5/2017, 2:56 PM

It is not linked to Sam but it has its usefulness.

John CB

You can, yes, link Sound Forge to Samplitude/Sequoia.

Go to menu "Options / External Tools..."

The audio file is open directly into the Forge and when Forge is closed, the same file is automatically saved into the VIP (Samp/Sequoia).

In this way, Sound Forge acts as a very turbo-charged Wave Editor!

It's very nice!!! A great complement!  😉

discburn wrote on 12/5/2017, 5:00 PM

That's cool! Good to know, thanks.

bluesplayer wrote on 12/6/2017, 8:43 PM

It is not linked to Sam but it has its usefulness.

John CB

You can, yes, link Sound Forge to Samplitude/Sequoia.

Go to menu "Options / External Tools..."

The audio file is open directly into the Forge and when Forge is closed, the same file is automatically saved into the VIP (Samp/Sequoia).

In this way, Sound Forge acts as a very turbo-charged Wave Editor!

It's very nice!!! A great complement!  😉


Forgive me but is that the Options menu in Samplitude Pro X3 (program preferences) or Soundforge 11 (options)? Because I simply can't find that "option" (i.e., "External Tools") in EITHER options menu? I'm old so maybe I missed it??

Thanks and be patient with me

JohnnyBlade wrote on 12/6/2017, 9:19 PM

Oooops, I use the v11 menu style in my Pro X3, sorry for that... Anyway, I mean the Menu of Samplitude. Go to MENU "Options" of Samplitude. Take a look in this menu, at the botton you will see a link to External Tools. Click in this link and a window will open with intuitive functions! In this way you will link any programa you like to Samplitude, but I believe that Sound Forge and SpectraLayers are better optimized to this task.

In the Samplitude's default style, I believe that you will find this feature under "File" > "Program Preferences" OR in in the menu "File" > Program Settings" > "External Tools".

Take a look in these places, I use an old style of menu, which, IMHO, is much more intuitive.

Anyway, read this (from user manual summarized by me):

External Editing:

You can send each object to an external editing program. After editing, you easily import your file back into Samplitude.

You can configure this data excchange together with the corresponding context menu option with the help of the the dialogue "External Tools" which is located in the menu:

  • "File" > Program Settings" > "External Tools".
JohnnyBlade wrote on 12/6/2017, 9:46 PM

And do not worry! Feel free to come back here to tell me if you were able to use this great feature!

browj2 wrote on 12/6/2017, 10:19 PM

@JohnnyBlade

Thanks for pointing this out. It's actually called Program Preferences and I had forgotten that I had already made the link to SF and to Magix Audio & Music Lab, both of which work with Sam Pro X3. I think that I had tried it with Video Pro X without success, but I will try again.

Thanks,

John CB

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discburn wrote on 12/7/2017, 2:07 AM

That 'External Tools' is a great tip.  I think I'll try it in Video Pro X6 as well!

JohnnyBlade wrote on 12/7/2017, 6:02 AM

For Video Pro X there is a specific link. In my case (menu style Samp v11), the link is here:
MENU FILE > EXPORT AUDIO > EXPORT TO MAGIX PRO X.

Also, if you'll let me give you some advice, take a tour on all Samplitude's menus and submenus. Many smiles will be born on your faces.

Another interesting tip is the use of the right mouse button. Many extremely advanced Samplitude functions are accessed through this procedure. Out of curiosity, whenever you are navigating in buttons and functions of the program, try using the right mouse button.

discburn wrote on 12/7/2017, 6:56 AM

Brilliant, thanks! Can't wait to get at it!

browj2 wrote on 12/7/2017, 7:04 AM

Hi,

@discburn

In VPX, the external audio is under Program settings (shortcut Y), Folders. I changed mine from MusicEditor 3 to SF11. Right-clicking on an audio object in VPX should give you a selection on the menu to "Edit wave externally." Make sure that you have the audio on a separate tracks first. However, for some reason, the option is not always there for the audio portion of a video file. I have it on my desktop but not on my laptop. On my laptop, I have to do a mixdown and then right-click on the resulting wave file. SF11 opens but returns an error:

I tried using SF Audio Studio 12 (64bit) on my desktop but with MEP2018 and it works fine. So I guess the best that we can expect is that it will work in the next version of SF Pro (12), unless it works for you.

There is a feature in most Magix programs, like MEP and MusicMaker, to Share with each other. There is a menu button called Share which does not show up in VPX. In MEP, click on Share and there is a selection of other Magix programs to share with. I did a tutorial on going from MEP to MusicMaker and back. I have been after Magix to put the same feature in VPX as it simplifies the process.

https://www.youtube.com/edit?o=U&video_id=ZqPKZhmJdTo

To go from VPX to Samplitude, you have to export to EDL and import this into Samplitude. To get the result from Samplitude to VPX, there is an option to "Export to Magix Video Pro X."

@JohnnyBlade

After several years of using MEP and VPX, I am still finding new features by right-clicking in places where I never thought to right-click. The same holds for Sam, but Sam has so many more features, that it would take a year of Sundays to find them all.

John CB

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discburn wrote on 12/7/2017, 8:13 AM

Thanks John CB. They are amazing programs! I'll post whatever positive results my 'experimental clickings' produce.

Seamus

JohnnyBlade wrote on 12/7/2017, 9:49 AM

I just found a post wrote by the legendary Kraznet, talking about the same subject matter debated here. His post is from KVR Forum and since has to do with this topic, it's useful to read:

https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=6949178#p6949178

browj2 wrote on 12/7/2017, 10:27 AM

@discburn

One other point, you can link Samplitude and VPX in a master-slave relationship so that you can edit in both at the same time. When one starts playing, so does the other. This helps with dubbing and scoring a video. But, you need at least 2 screens.

John CB

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discburn wrote on 12/7/2017, 11:22 AM

There’s no end,is there? This information is wonderful! I have a lot of video projects to process audio on. Always wanted a streamlined workflow.

Seamus