There's no good reason ACID couldn't compete with the big DAWs it's just up to Magix to decide they want it to

There's no good reason ACID couldn't compete with the big DAWs it's just up to Magix to decide they want it to

How fast do you think that can happen, given ACID Pro 7 had a massive feature deficit vs. the "big DAWs" 13 or so years ago , and was neglected for a decade+ by SCS while those DAWs developed maniacally over that time span. Some DAWs that were "big" back then aren't even that big today. That's how much the market has shifted.

Compare FL Studio in 2010 to what it is now, then do the same for ACID Pro. The disparity in evolution is beyond drastic.

There is just no way to develop ACID Pro quickly enough to ever be competitive with those DAWs. What's theoretical isn't always practical. It would take too long, cost too much, and during the same time period competing DAWs would go to areas of innovation while ACID Pro is still catching up on basic features and capabilities. Most people will choose not to invest in it - as is the case now.

The feature set of DAWs like Cubase, Samplitude Pro X, Digital Performer and others are deeper than the Mariana Trench. They have like a whole 15 year development advantage over ACID Pro. Other DAWs are now dipping into areas outside of their realm of "expertise," these days, because their feature sets are so deep they can afford to branch out. ACID Pro isn't really in a situation to compete with them.

Personally, I've always considered ACID Pro a better specialist, complimentary DAW than a competitive main DAW. It's great for arranging things and then ReWiring into anotehr DAW - the same way you'd use the Reason Rack over their underdeveloped Sequencer/DAW, for the players and instruments, or use Maschine 2 or MPC 2 as a plug-in within another DAW.

The issue is that ACID's forte is something that other DAWs have largely leveled off, and the disparity there almost doesn't matter because the number of people who'd care about it is just not large enough to matter when juxtaposed against total market size. It may be 25% better than Samplitude Pro X when it comes to working with Loops and Grooves, but Samplitude Pro X is like 150% better when it comes to Audio/MIDI Editing/Recording, Supporting Hardware Devices, Mixing, Mastering, Interop with other software applications (outside of ReWire: AAF/OMF, MusicXML, Audio/Video CODEC Support, etc.), Performance and Scalability, and other areas.

IMO, ACID Pro would potentially see more success if they ported it to the iPad. I actually think there is room for it on a platform like that, but I doubt MAGIX will move quickly enough to capitalize on that. ACID Pro on Windows 11 feels more like it's competing against Cubasis 3 than Cubase or anything that is remotely on that level.

Also, BandLab making Cakewalk free was a huge setback, as it happened right as MAGIX was trying to revive ACID Pro... right around the time they released ACID Pro 8. It made even the lower price point a hard sale to a lot of potential users, as Cakewalk has a lot of the things that users would put on a feature request list for this DAW and was actually one of the DAWs that targetted ACID Pro in the Loop/Groove production niche...

As for Bitwig "surpassing Ableton." I disagree, but I can see how a user of that software would think that ;-)

 

As for Bitwig "surpassing Ableton." I disagree, but I can see how a user of that software would think that ;-)

about bitwig it's a personal opinion
not a confirmation 😇

it's the visual side of ableton that I don't like
while bitwig I like it

but I put forward bitwig in my comparison for a reason
magix bought the license from sony 4 years ago
and we can see what bitwig has done in the same period of time

like what if magix wants it can do it

but I think they will not do it
because they bought the license from sony only for soundforge.....😰😰😰

Why make everything just in ACID? ACID can be used to create song from loops in a very fast way. Use the tools you especially like to speed up your workflow. Then just export the tracks to your favourite DAW and finish them.

Why make everything just in ACID? ACID can be used to create song from loops in a very fast way. Use the tools you especially like to speed up your workflow. Then just export the tracks to your favourite DAW and finish them.

Most DAWs are fast when working with loops, and the better audio recording and editing workflow/functionality in those DAWs augments that. Yhats ignoring the MIDI side of things.

ACID is still a product selling itself on goodies from 15 years ago while pretending that the competition hasn't evolved during that time frame.

You can do loop stuff in ACID, but using it with another DAW is too much of a headache to be worth it for most people. That completely destroys any advantages it has in that area.

I'd argue any advantages in loop arranging simply aren't worth the sacrifice incurred using ACID over a ton of other DAWs, considering most are at least a B+ when it comes to working with loops.

MAGIX could have rectified some of that, but too much time was wasted on stuff like Morph Pads, Stem Separation and an In-App Store. They also were a bit too cautious with the bundling, in order to squeeze money out of users in the form of a Suite SKU.

By ACID Pro 9, most should have seen this was a sinking ship/Cash COWing endeavor.

There's no good reason ACID couldn't compete with the big DAWs it's just up to Magix to decide they want it to

How fast do you think that can happen, given ACID Pro 7 had a massive feature deficit vs. the "big DAWs" 13 or so years ago , and was neglected for a decade+ by SCS while those DAWs developed maniacally over that time span. Some DAWs that were "big" back then aren't even that big today. That's how much the market has shifted.

Compare FL Studio in 2010 to what it is now, then do the same for ACID Pro. The disparity in evolution is beyond drastic.

There is just no way to develop ACID Pro quickly enough to ever be competitive with those DAWs. What's theoretical isn't always practical. It would take too long, cost too much, and during the same time period competing DAWs would go to areas of innovation while ACID Pro is still catching up on basic features and capabilities. Most people will choose not to invest in it - as is the case now.

The feature set of DAWs like Cubase, Samplitude Pro X, Digital Performer and others are deeper than the Mariana Trench. They have like a whole 15 year development advantage over ACID Pro. Other DAWs are now dipping into areas outside of their realm of "expertise," these days, because their feature sets are so deep they can afford to branch out. ACID Pro isn't really in a situation to compete with them.

Personally, I've always considered ACID Pro a better specialist, complimentary DAW than a competitive main DAW. It's great for arranging things and then ReWiring into anotehr DAW - the same way you'd use the Reason Rack over their underdeveloped Sequencer/DAW, for the players and instruments, or use Maschine 2 or MPC 2 as a plug-in within another DAW.

The issue is that ACID's forte is something that other DAWs have largely leveled off, and the disparity there almost doesn't matter because the number of people who'd care about it is just not large enough to matter when juxtaposed against total market size. It may be 25% better than Samplitude Pro X when it comes to working with Loops and Grooves, but Samplitude Pro X is like 150% better when it comes to Audio/MIDI Editing/Recording, Supporting Hardware Devices, Mixing, Mastering, Interop with other software applications (outside of ReWire: AAF/OMF, MusicXML, Audio/Video CODEC Support, etc.), Performance and Scalability, and other areas.

IMO, ACID Pro would potentially see more success if they ported it to the iPad. I actually think there is room for it on a platform like that, but I doubt MAGIX will move quickly enough to capitalize on that. ACID Pro on Windows 11 feels more like it's competing against Cubasis 3 than Cubase or anything that is remotely on that level.

Also, BandLab making Cakewalk free was a huge setback, as it happened right as MAGIX was trying to revive ACID Pro... right around the time they released ACID Pro 8. It made even the lower price point a hard sale to a lot of potential users, as Cakewalk has a lot of the things that users would put on a feature request list for this DAW and was actually one of the DAWs that targetted ACID Pro in the Loop/Groove production niche...

As for Bitwig "surpassing Ableton." I disagree, but I can see how a user of that software would think that ;-)

It doesn't need all the features of the other DAWs, it just needs to work as advertised, not crash, and get regular bugfixes.

I can't recommend ACID to anyone because I can't guarantee anyone it will work right let alone to professional standards.

If ACID was as stable as Bitwig I'd switch.

Why make everything just in ACID? ACID can be used to create song from loops in a very fast way. Use the tools you especially like to speed up your workflow. Then just export the tracks to your favourite DAW and finish them.

Most DAWs are fast when working with loops, and the better audio recording and editing workflow/functionality in those DAWs augments that. Yhats ignoring the MIDI side of things.

ACID is still a product selling itself on goodies from 15 years ago while pretending that the competition hasn't evolved during that time frame.

You can do loop stuff in ACID, but using it with another DAW is too much of a headache to be worth it for most people. That completely destroys any advantages it has in that area.

I'd argue any advantages in loop arranging simply aren't worth the sacrifice incurred using ACID over a ton of other DAWs, considering most are at least a B+ when it comes to working with loops.

MAGIX could have rectified some of that, but too much time was wasted on stuff like Morph Pads, Stem Separation and an In-App Store. They also were a bit too cautious with the bundling, in order to squeeze money out of users in the form of a Suite SKU.

By ACID Pro 9, most should have seen this was a sinking ship/Cash COWing endeavor.

I must be in a tiny minority that used ACID to compose MIDI based songs and like how it handles MIDI.

 

It doesn't need all the features of the other DAWs, it just needs to work as advertised, not crash, and get regular bugfixes.

I can't recommend ACID to anyone because I can't guarantee anyone it will work right let alone to professional standards.

If ACID was as stable as Bitwig I'd switch.

Agreed and Agreeing with Trensharo as well.

I am just waiting for Cubase to add "Pick & Paint" feature just like Acid and I will bury all Acid pro products in the dirt forever. I am still beating myself for spending money on Acid 8 thru 10 and can't even use it. I was lucky to talk to the developers directly and realized that they weren't even interested in advancing Acid Pro any further. People haven't realized this-NO UPDATES SINCE EARLY 2020!! Isn't that a sign? I had received a response from someone back in early 2021 that the developement has halted due to Covid. COME ON!

To put it in simple words and to save someone from further credit card bill pile up, Acid Pro is done! Magix raked in more than enough from gullibles like you and I. Morph pads was the biggest non sense to add to a clunker. They should have just paid attention to just strengthening the DAW for it was first. To add to insult to the developer while on zoom, I made a song in AP7 and AP10 side by side, AP10 crashed within a minute. What a shame.

My 2 cents, they should focus on making it an ARA VST plug-in and skip trying to be a DAW. Acid is amazing when it comes to working with loops, I don’t use it for anything else.