WARNING about Magix Movie Editor 2017 slow, worse, changes

jerancampy22 wrote on 10/13/2016, 5:04 PM

Please make sure you do your homework prior to doing what I did which was purchaseMagix MEP 2017 even though I had 2016.  

Here's what you get for your hard earned money.

1. Same program as 2016. Doesn't look new or have new features

2. Now when I try to drag mp4's into the timeline, I am told I need Quicktime. Why?  Didn't need it in the 2016 version. Then I go over to Apple to get it and they aren't even supporting it anymore.  Nice way to go back 5 years in usability.

3. No more codec so MEP17  is taking 3x as long to render.

4. More crashes in one day than in 6 months of MEP16

5. Installed Quicktime and MEP still will not allow those videos to show. WTH is this?  How can a movie editor not play 

Can I get a refund. You guys are selling crap. Here is my specs...
 

Operating System: Windows 8.1 Pro, 64-bit     -   DirectX version: 11.0
GPU processor:  GeForce GTX 950   -   Driver version:  373.06
Direct3D API version: 11.2   -   Direct3D feature level: 11_1
CUDA Cores:  768     -    Core clock:  1152 MHz
Memory data rate: 6610 MHz      -    Memory interface: 128-bit
Memory bandwidth: 105.76 GB/s   -         Total available graphics memory: 10226 MB
Dedicated video memory: 2048 MB GDDR5   -       System video memory: 0 MB
Shared system memory: 8178 MB     -     Video BIOS version: 84.06.3D.00.50
IRQ:   Not used    -      Bus:   PCI Express x16 Gen2
Device Id:  10DE 1402 29513842
Part Number:  G301 0005
MAGIX MOVIE EDIT PRO 2017
Problem began with new install of new $70 program that is IDENTICAL to last years.


Dragging desktop to timeline
When I drag it it says I need Quicktime which is already on the computer.

Anyway, you can just keep the 2016 version or be an idiot like me and lose $70 to a marketing scam. This will be my LAST Magix purchase. I'd rather go anywhere where this kind of theft doesn't take place. You don't need a new version cause your ass itches. Wait till you have enough to call it a new version. You sold me the same product, with same transitions, same music same down to every last bit- except they took the codecs away.

Thanks Magix! I love getting screwed!

Comments

johnebaker wrote on 10/14/2016, 2:54 AM

Hi

. . . .  Same program as 2016. Doesn't look new or have new features . . . .

At $70 you must have the Basic version of MEP - most of the new features are in the Plus and Premium versions which have several new features - Shot Match being especially useful where you use two or more cameras, VR support, ability to use OpenFX plug-ins, new effects etc

. . . . Now when I try to drag mp4's into the timeline, I am told I need Quicktime. Why?  Didn't need it in the 2016 version. Then I go over to Apple to get it and they aren't even supporting it anymore.  Nice way to go back 5 years in usability . . . .

MEP 2017 does not required Quicktime to be installed to import movies - only when you try to export to MOV file format is it required. 

The problem you are having would indicate the file format is not what you think it is.  Analyse a video clip with MediaInfo and post the results from the Tree view - export as text file then copy and paste the contents of the text file.

. . . . No more codec so MEP17  is taking 3x as long to render . . . .

Assuming your NVidia card drivers are up to date then this is an issue with NVidia removing CUDA support from their drivers so Hardware Acceleration is not possible - there has been several discussions in the forum about this and how to fix it.

. . . .  More crashes in one day than in 6 months of MEP16 . . . .

MEP 2017 is as stable as previous versions - you could have other software issues with your PC. 

 . . . . Installed Quicktime and MEP still will not allow those videos to show. WTH is this?  How can a movie editor not play . . . .

MEP 2017 does not required Quicktime to be installed to import movies - only when you try to export to MOV file format is it required.

. . . . .Please make sure you do your homework prior . .. . .

As with any purchases one should always do their homework first.

. . . . . You sold me the same product, with same transitions, same music same down to every last bit- except they took the codecs away. . . . .

Incorrect - you made the decision to purchase - no one forced you to buy.

As you said 'do your homework first' and try the trial version before buying

John EB

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VPX 16, Movie Studio 2025, and earlier versions 2015 and 2016, Music Maker Premium 2024.

PC - running Windows 11 23H2 Professional on Intel i7-8700K 3.2 GHz, 16GB RAM, RTX 2060 6GB 192-bit GDDR6, 1 x 1Tb Sabrent NVME SSD (OS and programs), 2 x 4TB (Data) internal HDD + 1TB internal SSD (Work disc), + 6 ext backup HDDs.

Laptop - Lenovo Legion 5i Phantom - running Windows 11 23H2 on Intel Core i7-10750H, 16GB DDR4-SDRAM, 512GB SSD, 43.9 cm screen Full HD 1920 x 1080, Intel UHD 630 iGPU and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 (6GB GDDR6)

Sony FDR-AX53e Video camera, DJI Osmo Action 3 and Sony HDR-AS30V Sports cams.

browj2 wrote on 10/14/2016, 5:03 PM

Hi,

The bloom is off of the rose. See your comments from March "First, and I will say it again... after using Pinnacle since Pinnacle 12, I am so happy to have found Magix MEP 2016. Best $50 I ever spent."

In your signature, you indicate that you have 2016 Plus, but looking in your post above, it looks like you now bought 2017 basic, which would be a downgrade. If you bought Plus, then, as John EB pointed out, there are several new and interesting features. With Basic, there is almost nothing, and that is obvious in the publicity on Magix.com.

The new features of each of the three flavours of MEP is described on Magix.com and you can try out the product before purchasing.

So, which 2017 version do you have?

Did you try using the same mp4 files in MEP 2016 Plus? Results?

Did you download and install the latest patch? (I presume that there is one.)

I downloaded and tried out 2017 Premium, and I noticed that there was one of the new effects that seemed very slow, but otherwise it looked good. I didn't purchase because I have VPX and I am hoping that Magix will come through with the same new features in an interim upgrade for VPX (as per the 365 upgrade scheme). Plus, I already have Vasco da Gama professional, don't need another one.

You can get your money back if you are within the 30 day period. Or you can ask for an upgrade to Plus or Premium if you purchased basic and Magix will likely give you a good upgrade price.

Lastly, this is a user forum, no one here works for Magix.

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John C.B.

VideoPro X(16); Movie Studio 2024 Platinum; MM2025 Premium Edition; Samplitude Pro X8 Suite; see About me for more.

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Scenestealer wrote on 10/14/2016, 6:18 PM

. . . No more codec so MEP17  is taking 3x as long to render . . . .

It is true that without the Mainconcept codecs, rendering SW only, is a lot slower using just the default Intel codecs. However the MC codecs should be able to be made available if they are already installed via a previous version of MEP, or they can be purchased. Having said that, there seems to have been issues reported by other users with the MC codec not showing up in MEP2017. Not Sure why because I do not have 2017 installed yet.

@JohnEB

Assuming your NVidia card drivers are up to date then this is an issue with NVidia removing CUDA support from their drivers so Hardware Acceleration is not possible - there has been several discussions in the forum about this and how to fix it.

Unfortunately the Cuda drivers are not the problem. Hardware acceleration with any Nvidia card beyond GTX5xx series with their Fermi chipsets is just not possible due to the lack of support by the MC encoder in MEP/VPX.

MainConcept appear to have no plans to rectify this and Magix are putting their energies into Intel Quicksync based HW encoding.

MEP 2017 does not required Quicktime to be installed to import movies - only when you try to export to MOV file format is it required.

This has not been my experience. When I installed MEP16, VPX7 on my new build PC, they would not play any type of .MOV or apple codec based file,  until I installed VPX8 which has some type of native support for the QT codec. It might just be possible that MEP2017 has the same built in support....

Fair comment though John and John on the rest of the rant.

Actually one point to remember is that these 365 versions are based around the concept of new features being added (not just patches) during the first year of purchase.

Peter

 

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jerancampy22 wrote on 10/14/2016, 9:35 PM

Thanks everyone for the info-

John: I have Movie Edit Pro Premium 2017 although the "about" says Version #16.0.1.22

Every time I opened MEP2016 for the past week, I was getting an advertisement that showed they had a deal only until 10/13 to get MEP2017 for a big discount amounting to $69.99 (I believe it said regular price was $449). So, I read about it and was willing to pay the money because it said, "tons of exciting new features." So, I guess you are right... this was my mistake. I just don't recall ever having this happen and I used Pinnacle for years. They were bad but I can say this, when they had a new version it at least looked better. It would have 20 new tracks with an upgrade in some stock footage or new transitions. This 2017 version is EXACTLY the same as 2016...

As far as the MC Codec, I had it in 2016 but there is no longer that option in options. The screen is just gray. I will run some tests to get the exact difference but normally on 2016 a 30 min 1280x720 would be about 30 mins to renderand last night I had to take it all of 2017 as it was at half way and it had been about an hour and a half and so I dropped it all in 2016 and did it there. Also, 2016 easily showed and played all mp4 and mov files. 

So, there is an issue with some mp4 files because it says I can't view them because no Quicktime is installed.  Long story short- no reason to have a new version... I am going to return 17 and stick to what works!

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My Current Computer Settings 

Magix Movie Edit Pro Premium 21.0.1.92 UDP3

CPU: Intel Core i9-10900K CPU @3.70 Ghz

64.0 GB RAM 64 Bit - Windows 10 Pro Feature Experience 120.2212.3920.0

GPU: Nvidia GForce RTX 3090

johnebaker wrote on 10/15/2016, 3:53 AM

Hi

. . . . about" says Version #16.0.1.22 . . . .

You are missing the latest patch which is 16.0.1.25

. . . . the MC Codec, I had it in 2016 but there is no longer that option in options. The screen is just gray. . . .

That is a known issue - there have been two discussions and checks on this - the dialog to select the codec to be used is as you say blank where the options should be.

If the new features such as Shotmatch are not useful to you then yes MEP2017 is the same as 2016.

When referring to the names of the different versions please use the ful name to avoid confusion with older versions eg MEP 17 and MEP 2017.

John EB

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VPX 16, Movie Studio 2025, and earlier versions 2015 and 2016, Music Maker Premium 2024.

PC - running Windows 11 23H2 Professional on Intel i7-8700K 3.2 GHz, 16GB RAM, RTX 2060 6GB 192-bit GDDR6, 1 x 1Tb Sabrent NVME SSD (OS and programs), 2 x 4TB (Data) internal HDD + 1TB internal SSD (Work disc), + 6 ext backup HDDs.

Laptop - Lenovo Legion 5i Phantom - running Windows 11 23H2 on Intel Core i7-10750H, 16GB DDR4-SDRAM, 512GB SSD, 43.9 cm screen Full HD 1920 x 1080, Intel UHD 630 iGPU and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 (6GB GDDR6)

Sony FDR-AX53e Video camera, DJI Osmo Action 3 and Sony HDR-AS30V Sports cams.

jerancampy22 wrote on 10/16/2016, 8:03 PM

Everywhere I look including the Magix customer download are of the backroom, all show no patch for my version yet you claim "You are missing the latest patch which is 16.0.1.25" so where do I find it then?

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My Current Computer Settings 

Magix Movie Edit Pro Premium 21.0.1.92 UDP3

CPU: Intel Core i9-10900K CPU @3.70 Ghz

64.0 GB RAM 64 Bit - Windows 10 Pro Feature Experience 120.2212.3920.0

GPU: Nvidia GForce RTX 3090

browj2 wrote on 10/23/2016, 8:13 AM

Hi,

Look under Help, Update online. for some reason, the patches no longer show up under Customer download.

I had worked up a long answer a week or so ago and then the connection here went poof. Didn't come back to it till now.

There are actually several features in 2017 Premium. Some marketing person seems to have a penchant for using "tons." Look at the Magix.com website:

  • 360 degree - Virtual editing
  • OFX
  • 5 new effects: Mask generator, Cookie cutter, Lens flare, Gaussian blur, Shot match

There are supposed to be others coming out during the year. I have VPX and I'm still waiting for Magix to release a few of the missing effects, like mask gen., cookie cutter, lens flare and Gaussian blur. Shot match was in VPX first.   And with Premium, you get Vasco da Gama Essentials, and NewBlue Titler Pro Express. I have VdG Professional and use it a lot.

Just remembered, I wanted to comment on Pinnacle, as I also came from there. I keep it for the multitude of effects and music. I didn't upgrade since 18..6 as there was nothing in either 19 or 20 that was exciting or that I didn't already have with Magix. Pinnacle still has not sorted out its Titler and has introduced some fatal bugs to go along with it. Not good.

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John C.B.

VideoPro X(16); Movie Studio 2024 Platinum; MM2025 Premium Edition; Samplitude Pro X8 Suite; see About me for more.

Desktop System - Windows 10 Pro 22H2; MB ROG STRIX B560-A Gaming WiFi; Graphics Card Zotac Gaming NVIDIA GeForce RTX-3060, PS; Power supply EVGA 750W; Intel Core i7-10700K @ 3.80GHz (UHD Graphics 630); RAM 32 GB; OS on Kingston SSD 1TB; secondary WD 2TB; others 1.5TB, 3TB, 500GB, 4TB, 5TB, 6TB, 8TB; three monitors - HP 25" main, LG 4K 27" second, HP 27" third; Casio WK-225 piano keyboard; M-Audio M-Track USB mixer.

Notebook - Microsoft Surface Pro 4, i5-6300U, 8 GB RAM, 256 SSD, W10 Pro 20H2.

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