Video "stutters" every 34 seconds after rendering.

Steve-H wrote on 12/10/2022, 1:54 AM

Hi,
New here, hope someone can help.
I just got Movie Studio 2023.
V 22.03.0.167 (UDP3)
I had used another video maker, trying to find a better one, watched a tutorial on YT and picked this. I did the trial version with a short vid, it looked easy to use and worked fine so I bought this.
The vid with the problem I made is using a 5 and 1/2 minute CGI video of cruising through a cave I made using a built in program inside of FL Studio (DAW).
I used that and then just added a couple pictures as titles, did basic fades and that's it.
I rendered it and upon watching the video, it "stutters" for a second or so every 34 seconds.
34 seconds, 1:08, 1:42 and so on.
I chose MP4 to render it, 1080p, default settings.
I then tried a number of other settings, I tried 720, I tried changing the video to 30fps instead of the default 29.97.
I tried changing the bit rate.
Same thing no matter what except changing the fps made the stutters more often.
One thing to note, if I click on "properties" of the CGI video that I made in another program, it says it's 30fps.
When I click on "properties" of the file when it's listed up in my dropdown tree of files inside of Magix, it says 30fps...
BUT when I drag it into the timeline of Magix and check properties it says "29.97fps"
I have Windows 10
i5-2400 at 3.1GHZ
8 Gigs Ram
at least 10 gigs of free space on the SSD
The source file for the vid (other than the little pics) is 1.6 Gigs and was set for 30fps in that DAW program at 40,000 kbps. I set it fairly high because sometimes it'll render with random stutters (not at specific times).
This file has a few tiny "almost" stutters where if you look close you can see it may want to stutter, but it doesn't look bad and again, is not at any specific intervals like the Magix rendered vid.

The source video and all other videos play fine on this computer.

The other program I had been using to add titles and so forth never had this problem and I've done dozens of them the same way (CGI in other program, usually set for 30fps, 40,000kbps, 1080p) then put in the program Magix will hopefully be replacing, add a bit and render and I've been good to go.

Hope someone can help, I really got my hopes up and then running into this is a bit tiring.

Also hope I added enough info and didn't ramble too much, if anyone needs more info, etc, please let me know.

Thanks all!

Peace.

Comments

emmrecs wrote on 12/10/2022, 3:18 AM

@Steve-H

Hi, welcome!

First, can you say exactly which edition of MMS 2023 you have, please, Basic, Platinum or Suite?

Second, I see you say you tested the free trial version without a problem, but did you check the minimum requirements for a computer to successfully run MMS, as shown here? I ask because I suspect your CPU is not really adequate to cope with the demands of relatively high-end video editing. It includes Intel HD Graphics 2000 which is below the minimum recommendation as found on that specification page.

The fact that the stutters occur every 34 seconds is interesting, but I wonder whether that is because that time interval is the period during which your CPU is becoming gradually "overloaded", as it were, at which point it attempts to "catch up" and the stutter is the result?

I'm sure other users will also offer their thoughts to you.

HTH

Jeff
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Steve-H wrote on 12/10/2022, 4:08 AM

Hi Jeff,

Thanks and sorry I didn't include this, it's the Basic version.

The free trial is limited to 3 minutes, I just did a real quick short vid to see if it was easier to use than what I had been using.

I did take a look at the minimum specs but just checked the processor, RAM and available drive space. I figured since it said it would work even on low-performance computers and it had worked fine with the last program I used that I'd be ok with basic stuff. On this project like most all I'll be doing is importing a video or videos, a couple photos and simple fades will be about all the FX I'd be using. Nothing more than what I did 20 years ago with WMM

I just tried it again and the max the CPU was used for Magix and the little other stuff running never reached 80%, mainly it was at 75% and lower with plenty of RAM.

If that is an issue, is there a way to force the program to render slower or like in the "background" or where it'd take into account the buffer (or however I should word it)?

I would think that rendering the CGI would be harder than what Magix is being tasked with in this project, and this computer and an old 8.1 both have no trouble with that, so I hope I can get it going.

Thanks again,
Steve
 

johnebaker wrote on 12/10/2022, 4:22 AM

@Steve-H

Hi

Is the source video variable framerate ? if you are not sure, download and install MediaInfo and analyse the clip, see this tutorial on how to setup MediaInfo and analyse a video clip for all the data required.  

In the video section of the analysis if you see:

Framerate mode: Variable

The this may be the cause of the issue - try converting the source video to Constant framerate using a video converter such as Handbrake or AviDemux and import this into MMS.

. . . . Windows 10 . . . i5-2400 at 3.1GHZ . . . 8 Gigs Ram . . . at least 10 gigs of free space on the SSD . . .

I agree with @emmrecs assessment, additionally the SSD drive should have at least 20% free space, 10GB free may become a limiting factor quite quickly when rendering resulting in the issues you are having.

For 1920 x 1080 video you need an Intel 4th generation processor with HD4600 iGPU to be able to have hardware acceleration.

John EB
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Steve-H wrote on 12/10/2022, 6:35 AM

Hi John,

Thanks. I did check and then converted it to Constant Frame Rate and the same thing happened. I then tried pretty much every format both with and without the CFR and various settings and some made the stutter different intervals than 34 seconds but none fixed it.

I did clear a bunch of space and that didn't change anything.

So are you saying I have to have a computer with hardware acceleration and that it won't work without hardware acceleration?

Thanks again,
Steve

AAProds wrote on 12/10/2022, 7:43 AM

I think that once again, we're off on a tangent. I don't have hardware accel, have a slower system than Steve's and have no problems exporting. HW is not required. It speeds things up, but lack of it should not mess up an export. I also don't buy the CPU gets overloaded at 34secs argument. CPUs (at least in my experience) just don't do that; I've had my i5, i3 and i7 running at 100% for an hour encoding video with no issues.

There should be no problem running MMS 2023 on your machine; in fact, despite all the doom and gloom from some here, 2023 runs as well, if not better, than previous versions on my slowcoach computers.

Steve, clutching at straws now, 10gb on your SSD might be a bit low. Try exporting to a different drive.

Coud you post a screenshot of your timeline.

Also, it would be good if you could post your source video clip on Google Drive or Dropbox so we could try it.

All my forum comments are based on or refer to my System 1.

My struggle is over! I built my (now) system 2 in 2011 when DV was king and MPEG 2 was just coming onto the scene and I needed a more powerful system to cope. Since then we've advanced to MP4 and to bigger and bigger resolutions. I was really suffering, not so much in editing (with proxies) but in encoding, which just took ages. A video, with Neat Video noise reduction applied, would encode at 12% of film speed. My new system 1 does the same job at 160% of film speed. Marvellous. I'm keeping my old system as a capture station for analogue video tapes and DV.

System 1

Windows 11 v23H2 severely modified by Openshell and ExplorerPatcher

Power supply: 850W Cooler Master (should have got modular)

CPU: Intel i7 13700K running at 3400mhz, cooled by a Kraken 2x140mm All In One liquid cooler.

RAM: 64gb (2x32gb sticks) G.Skill "Ripjaws" DDR4 3200Mhz

GPU 1: iGPU UHD 770

GPU 2: NVidia RTX 3060Ti Windforce 8gb

C drive: NVME 500gb

Various other SSD and HDDs.

Monitor: 27"/68cm Samsung, 2560 x 1440, 43 pixels/cm.

MEP 2021 version 20.0.1.80

Movie Studio 2023 version 22.0.3.172

Magix Video Easy version 7.0.1.145

System 2

(Still in use for TV and videotape capture)

Windows 10 v22H2

CPU: i5-750 at 2670mhz with 12gb RAM

Onboard IEEE1394 (Firewire) port

GPU: ATI Radeon HD 4770 (512mb) which is ignored by MEP

Hard drives: C Drive 256gb SSD, various other HDDs.

Monitor: Dell 22"/56cm, 1680x1050, 35 pixels/cm

MEP 2021 version 20.0.1.80

Movie Studio 2023 version 22.0.3.172

VPX 12

Reyfox wrote on 12/10/2022, 11:59 AM

Shot in the dark.... you mention your CPU is running at 75%, how is the cooling in your computer and on your CPU?

Steve-H wrote on 12/10/2022, 12:31 PM

Thanks @AAProds and @Reyfox.

(EDIT: I am including the link to the screenshot of the timeline but will have to get back later with the other stuff)
Link:
https://mega.nz/file/IBIBjCqS#bVxeqNQqhYfcQmgdnV8Pa8YX7wF7PB6MP_77GQhn5Gg

I did clear more space, not sure how much but it is more than 10gb now and when I set it to "adjust" (or whatever the wording was) the file to match the fps the output file was less than a Gig. Also when I didn't set it to adjust it still was less than 1 Gig,
But I will try a different drive a bit later when I can.

Cooling is ok, I have Speccy and always do watch it when I put the computer under a work load like this, I can't remember what it topped out at but it was a fair amount less than what I've done in the past. Something like 150 degree F max on CPU, Motherboard and SSD but I'll make sure to check it and will mention later when I try going to a different drive.

Thanks very much!

Reyfox wrote on 12/10/2022, 3:00 PM

When was the last time you changed the thermal paste? Use quality thermal paste? Are you using a stock cooler?