Video replay speed faster than original loaded video

Former user wrote on 4/21/2023, 3:54 PM

@hwinter2 Hi, '(lower resolution not available)' & you say 'mov video, in format 4:3, 25fps', what resolution do you want?

If you're not sure there's an App called MediaInfo, download it, it's free & a fast download with no added adverts or any of that rubbish. https://mediaarea.net/en/MediaInfo

After downloading, right click on the media file in your Windows folder, open MediaInfo, choose Text from the options at the top, Copy & paste the information in a new comment on here 👍

Like this

& you can share photos/captures of you movie settings using the arrow button next to the smiley at the top of a new comment, the more info the better

PS. you can type in a size, you don't have to use one of the presets.

hwinter2 wrote on 4/21/2023, 9:06 PM

The resolution is not the problem, I only added it for general information. The problem is with the video speed after loading the video into the timeline, it plays back at about twice the speed of the original video.

AAProds wrote on 4/21/2023, 11:08 PM

@hwinter2

You need to provide us with that Mediainfo readout, as Gid has asked.

A sample of your file would also be helpful; I suggest you put a sample on Google Drive or similar file-sharing service for us to look at.

johnebaker wrote on 4/22/2023, 2:42 AM

@hwinter2

Hi

In addition to the MediaInfo data, is the MOV recorded from a camera or drone, or is this a screen recording, export from animation software etc?

John EB
Forum Moderator

CubeAce wrote on 4/22/2023, 6:27 AM

@hwinter2 @Former user @AAProds @johnebaker

Hi.

I think in this instance a clip uploaded to Google drive or Dropbox for us to inspect is in order as I have not seen this problem before. To play at twice the speed in the program is a new problem I have not seen before and needs to be verified it's a problem that needs forwarding to Magix.

Ray.

AAProds wrote on 4/22/2023, 7:27 AM

@hwinter2

If you feel so inclined, run the file through AVIDemux to convert it to MP4 and see if that fixes it. I have written a MOV to MP4 guide:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1GfpVjtQaeBo4DSzT5K3DodMztFq7LT-1/view?usp=share_link

hwinter2 wrote on 4/22/2023, 12:39 PM

Thank you for all your responses. Since all the responses are concentrating on the old (.mov) Video clip I like to point out that the video clip displays just fine when loaded into my older Magix Movie Pro Premium Version 17.0.3.178 on my older Laptop w/Windows 10. However in that case it can only be loaded with the addition of QuickTime, whereas with the new Magix Movie Studio 2023 Suite the clip can be loaded without QuickTime. I have since added QuickTime to my my desktop computer, however that didn't help with the new Magix program.

The video was filmed with a Photo/Video Camera but that was never a problem with any previous Magix Program versions.

johnebaker wrote on 4/22/2023, 1:03 PM

@hwinter2

Hi

. . . . video was filmed with a Photo/Video Camera . . . .

What make/model?

Can we have the MediaInfo data and you computer specifications and the settings for Import, Processing and Export in the programs settings, Device options tab, see this topic for what is required and please quote processor and graphics card make/model in full.

For the MediaInfo data analyse one of the clips causing the issue and post the results, see this tutorial on how to setup MediaInfo and analyse a video clip for all the data required.

John EB

Former user wrote on 4/22/2023, 2:11 PM

@hwinter2 Hi, all the responses are about the .mov video because that's pretty much all the info you've given us, it runs fine in your old MEP but not your new MS,

If you don't give the information asked of you or share a sample of the media that plays too fast on Google Drive or another file sharing site nobody will be able to help you.

hwinter2 wrote on 4/22/2023, 4:10 PM

I have done the video file conversation from .mov to MP4 as suggested by AAProds, thank very much that did the trick, the video is now replying at the original speed in my new Magix Program.

Thank you all for your kind contributions to solve this issue for me. I still think it is a glitch in the Magix Program, that doesn’t affect too many people but could be something the Magix programmers overlooked when they eliminated the requirement for the QuickTime Program.

Former user wrote on 4/22/2023, 6:04 PM

@hwinter2 Glad you sorted it but by recoding your video all you did was skirt the issue, you gave pretty much 0 information, Mediainfo was mentioned in this thread 8 times but you ignored that, none of us have a clue whatever the problem was or is. Therefore no bug report will be handed to Magix & there will be no fix.

hwinter2 wrote on 4/22/2023, 9:18 PM

Here is a copy of the Mediainfo file, hope this is what you are looking for.

General
Complete name : D:\Videos\Kirsten Wedding Videos f.Ingrid\P1020363.MOV
Format : QuickTime
Format/Info : Original Apple specifications
File size : 5.09 MiB
Duration : 31 s 0 ms
Overall bit rate mode : Variable
Overall bit rate : 1 377 kb/s
Frame rate : 10.000 FPS
Encoded date : 1999-07-01 00:00:00 UTC
Tagged date : 1999-07-01 00:00:00 UTC
Writing library : Pana

Video
ID : 1
Format : JPEG
Codec ID : jpeg
Duration : 31 s 0 ms
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 1 312 kb/s
Width : 320 pixels
Height : 240 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 4:3
Frame rate mode : Constant
Frame rate : 10.000 FPS
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:2
Bit depth : 8 bits
Compression mode : Lossy
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 1.709
Stream size : 4.85 MiB (95%)
Language : English
Encoded date : 1999-07-01 00:00:00 UTC
Tagged date : 1999-07-01 00:00:00 UTC

Audio
ID : 2
Format : PCM
Format settings : Little / Unsigned
Codec ID : raw
Duration : 31 s 0 ms
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 64.0 kb/s
Channel(s) : 1 channel
Sampling rate : 8 000 Hz
Bit depth : 8 bits
Stream size : 242 KiB (5%)
Language : English
Encoded date : 1999-07-01 00:00:00 UTC
Tagged date : 1999-07-01 00:00:00 UTC

CubeAce wrote on 4/23/2023, 4:13 AM

@hwinter2

Hi.

At the top of the topic you said the video clips were 25fps but the media info is reporting 10 frames per second so if you set your project to 25 frames per second that would explain the speed difference. You would have needed to manually set the project to the correct frame rate as the program will only 'see' and deal correctly with common video formats. The sound at 8kHz single channel 8 bits may be fairly low quality as well.

I think the problem is as you said this file needed to be able to use the QuickTime plugin and even if installed on your machine was probably ignored by this latest version of the program.

This is a very early digitally recorded file. Congratulations on not losing it. This may be a good file type to run through an A.I program such as Topaz Labs to increase its resolution and fidelity.

Ray.

AAProds wrote on 4/23/2023, 4:49 AM

@CubeAce

At the top of the topic you said the video clips were 25fps but the media info is reporting 10 frames per second so if you set your project to 25 frames per second that would explain the speed difference.

Ray, that isn't correct. The program will display any speed correctly. I mix 25FPS, 50FPS with no issues. I just did a test on a 10FPS file and it imported correctly. And of course conversion from MOV to MP4 would not have changed the frame rate.

Remember that the OP could open the file properly with the earlier version of the program.

CubeAce wrote on 4/23/2023, 5:14 AM

@AAProds

Hi Al.

It would have been nice to have a file to test. You do not have a working GPU and put everything though your CPU. I know that some things glitch when I have put them through a GPU that do not glitch when using a CPU. I have experience of that myself.

Notice how often you do not have problems with files the rest of us do.

Ray.

AAProds wrote on 4/23/2023, 5:51 AM

@CubeAce

Ray, I'm not talking about the ability to open a file, I'm saying your statement, that the framerate rate of the file is different to the Movie frame rate and that is causing the speed issue, is incorrect. Magix copes with varying frame rates in movie quite happily in my experience.

The OP can open that 10FPS file when it is in MP4 format (assuming they did a "copy" "copy" in AVIDemux). It is the MOV version which appears to be throwing Magix.

Notice how often you do not have problems with files the rest of us do.

Not often. I also have a ton of codecs which you may not. But that's irrelevant to this, methinks.

@hwinter2

Any chance you could put that file onto Google Drive for us? Magix Support would be interested, I'm sure, especially since it did work on an earlier version.

johnebaker wrote on 4/23/2023, 6:35 AM

@hwinter2, @CubeAce, @AAProds

Hi

Thanks for the MediaInfo data.

From the data:

Quicktime JPEG, and PNG, encoded video files do require Quicktime, I also suspect the conversion Alwyn suggested changed the video to h.264 (AVC) encoding - reasons below.

I believe the speed up is due to a 'compatibility quirk' between QuickTime and the Infusion engine. Researching, I found that that Quicktime does not use a frame-based time system for its 'own' formats which I assume, due to lack of other information to the contrary, includes JPEG/PNG encoding.

I have some QT JPEG encoded video clips, and they do not import correctly into MMS 2023 and VPX 14. The length on the timeline differs from the length stated both in the file properties and MediaInfo - see example below.

Depending on the length of the clip the variation of the samples I tested varies, being 2 - 10% longer - ie they play slower !

Out of curiosity I also tested the same samples in MEP 2016 and they all imported correctly.

Top MOV file, lower is h.264/AVC conversion.

Alwyn

This is the error message I get when using the Video copy option to convert the MOV file shown above

John EB

Former user wrote on 4/23/2023, 8:14 AM

Hi, I created a similar file but can't get the 422, not sure how to get that. but this plays correct speed on a 1280x721 25fps project, here's my file if you want it & i'll change what i can if i can?https://drive.google.com/file/d/1XaZLJzmabhgf4iH8zPjhD9tiWfg3jVIM/view?usp=sharing

AAProds wrote on 4/23/2023, 9:14 AM

Hmmm, for Gid's file, I cannot open it at all in either MEP 2021 or MMS 2023. The popup message says "Quicktime is not installed" (which it is [installed]).

me_again wrote on 4/23/2023, 10:38 AM

Greetings all,

I can open Gid's file in MS2023 and it imports as 10fps and plays as 10 fps.

I have Quicktime 7.7.4 (extremly old but woks in Wndows 11) and so I created a file at10fps

General
Complete name                            : D:\Home Video WIH\E&J2v3.mov
Format                                   : MPEG-4
Format profile                           : QuickTime
Codec ID                                 : qt   2005.03 (qt )
File size                                : 112 MiB
Duration                                 : 2 min 29 s
Overall bit rate mode                    : Variable
Overall bit rate                         : 6 266 kb/s
Encoded date                             : UTC 2023-04-23 15:40:28
Tagged date                              : UTC 2023-04-23 15:40:52
Writing library                          : Apple QuickTime

Video
ID                                       : 2
Format                                   : JPEG
Codec ID                                 : jpeg
Duration                                 : 2 min 29 s
Source duration                          : 2 min 29 s
Bit rate mode                            : Variable
Bit rate                                 : 4 855 kb/s
Width                                    : 720 pixels
Height                                   : 576 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 5:4
Frame rate mode                          : Constant
Frame rate                               : 10.000 FPS
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
Bit depth                                : 8 bits
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 1.171
Stream size                              : 86.4 MiB (77%)
Source stream size                       : 86.4 MiB (77%)
Language                                 : English
Encoded date                             : UTC 2023-04-23 15:40:28
Tagged date                              : UTC 2023-04-23 15:40:52
Gamma                                    : 2.200

This imports into MS2023 as 25 fps even though the settings are for 10 fps and consquently plays at 25fps or 2.5 times speed. It's interesting that the audio plays at the correct speed.

Change Effects / Speed to 10fps and the speed is correct. Unfortunaely the audio plays slowly so isn't really practical without faffing. It's interesting that even tought

in the Effects / Speed drop down bos it offers to play the file at the original fps of 10 but again the audio is slowed down.

Opening the file in Avidemux, using copy for both video and audio, and saving as an AVI creates a file that opens in MS2023 at the correct speed of 10 fps.

AndyW

hwinter2 wrote on 4/23/2023, 10:45 AM

To Ray's comment that my initial post said my video had a frame rate of 25fps that what the Magix Program indicated to me after loading the video onto the timeline, obviously the new Magix Program does not recognize the lower rate of 10fps

me_again wrote on 4/23/2023, 11:06 AM

@hwinter2

obviously the new Magix Programm does not recognize th lower rate of 10fps

There must be something in the quicktime produced MOV that MS2023 doesn't like because it recognises the 10fps flag when it's in an AVI container..

It's obviously a bug and if it's a problem for you then raise a bug report ticket with Magix Support.

The simplest solution otherwise is to copy both the video and audio into an AVI with Avidemux as @AAProds suggested; the only change I would make being to use an AVI container.

AndyW

browj2 wrote on 4/23/2023, 11:07 AM

@hwinter2

Hi,

To Ray's comment that my initial post said my video had a frame rate of 25fps that what the Magix Program indicated to me after loading the video onto the timeline,

Please show a screen shot where you see this.

In the images below, I loaded a 20fps file into a project with a frame rate of 29.97 fps. You can see the project parameters in the image. You can also see the file properties (Ctrl+E), Video, in the right hand image showing 20fps.

The second image shows the Effect Speed and it shows 20fps. All of this is by default, I changed nothing. The file plays back at the normal speed - the additional intermediate images to get 29.97 fps have been added by the program.

If I now change the speed to 18fps, the video clip duration will increase and will slow down during playback - but the project is still 29.97 fps and the program provides the missing intermediate images.

If I change the speed to 29.97 fps, the duration of the clip will decrease and play back will be a lot faster.

In your case, Speed should be 10 fps. If it is not, then something is happening to cause this.

So, with your original clip on the timeline and nothing else, show the same images that I have shown so that we can see where this goes wrong.

John CB

johnebaker wrote on 4/23/2023, 11:20 AM

@hwinter2

Hi

Was the video recorded on a Panasonic camera if so which model?

If not what is the make/model of the camera that the MOV video files came from?

John EB