Video deluxe 2021 can't export to 17 fps MP4

MovieEditorr wrote on 10/11/2022, 4:28 AM

I am editing old 8mm film video which fps is 17 and when trying export the video to mp4 there is bug that I can't export the video with 17 fps. Only 24 fps works...

Only 17 fps works when export to avi but not when trying export mp4.

Software is "MAGIX Video deluxe 2021 Plus Steam Edition"

Comments

ericlnz wrote on 10/11/2022, 5:08 AM

Are you sure you need 17fps? If you are referring to old 8mm film then Standard 8 ran at 16 fps and Super8 at 18 fps. Unless you were shooting with sound when 24 fps was often used.

AAProds wrote on 10/11/2022, 7:21 AM

@ericlnz

16 or 18 can't be selected either (in VPX 12 and MEP 2021).

All my forum comments are based on or refer to my System 1.

My struggle is over! I built my (now) system 2 in 2011 when DV was king and MPEG 2 was just coming onto the scene and I needed a more powerful system to cope. Since then we've advanced to MP4 and to bigger and bigger resolutions. I was really suffering, not so much in editing (with proxies) but in encoding, which just took ages. A video, with Neat Video noise reduction applied, would encode at 12% of film speed. My new system 1 does the same job at 160% of film speed. Marvellous. I'm keeping my old system as a capture station for analogue video tapes and DV.

System 1

Windows 11 v23H2 severely modified by Openshell and ExplorerPatcher

Power supply: 850W Cooler Master (should have got modular)

CPU: Intel i7 13700K running at 3400mhz, cooled by a Kraken 2x140mm All In One liquid cooler.

RAM: 64gb (2x32gb sticks) G.Skill "Ripjaws" DDR4 3200Mhz

GPU 1: iGPU UHD 770

GPU 2: NVidia RTX 3060Ti Windforce 8gb

C drive: NVME 500gb

Various other SSD and HDDs.

Monitor: 27"/68cm Samsung, 2560 x 1440, 43 pixels/cm.

MEP 2021 version 20.0.1.80

Movie Studio 2023 version 22.0.3.172

Magix Video Easy version 7.0.1.145

System 2

(Still in use for TV and videotape capture)

Windows 10 v22H2

CPU: i5-750 at 2670mhz with 12gb RAM

Onboard IEEE1394 (Firewire) port

GPU: ATI Radeon HD 4770 (512mb) which is ignored by MEP

Hard drives: C Drive 256gb SSD, various other HDDs.

Monitor: Dell 22"/56cm, 1680x1050, 35 pixels/cm

MEP 2021 version 20.0.1.80

Movie Studio 2023 version 22.0.3.172

VPX 12

Former user wrote on 10/11/2022, 7:45 AM

@MovieEditorr MS2023 - You can set your project to 17fps, then Windows Media Export will allow 17fps export,

How your exported video will look/play I don't know, but you can then drag that back into a new 24, 25 or 30 fps project & stretch/shrink it to play at a correct looking speed, 🤷‍♂️

browj2 wrote on 10/11/2022, 8:09 AM

@MovieEditorr

Hi,

As Eric indicated, 8mm is 16fps, S8 is 18fps.

Your project should be 24fps. Your imported objects will automatically be adjusted for 24. Export to 24fps, not 16 or 17. You want all types of playback programs to be able to play back your video, so don't use a non-standard frame rate.

What is the actual speed of the digitized file?

I use a Wolverine and it creates 20fps files.

Put one on the timeline. In Movie Edit Pro (Video Deluxe in non-English speaking countries), select the object, go to Effects, Video Effects, Speed and you'll see the Frame rate of the object. Change it to 16. The duration of the video on the timeline will be adjusted/corrected. In the same dialogue, there is "Interpolate intermediate images." You can try this to see if you get an improvement, that is, smoother playback than without it. Otherwise, the program just makes duplicate frames to make up the difference.

Then, you will have to do the normal editing, stabilization, colour correction, editing, and get and use Neat Video to get rid of video noise/graininess and dust/hairs, etc.

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MovieEditorr wrote on 10/11/2022, 9:48 AM
  • The digitized file is 17 fps.
  • MAGIX doesn't even support 16, 17 or 18 fps MP4 export...
  • Currenty it supports only 24-60 fps's...
  • Seems that there is bug if MAGIX doesn't support frame rates under 23 fps...
     
  • Currenlty only way is to export it to 17 fps AVI and upload it to YouTube, but problem is that 3 min video is 7 gb...
Marc-Goder wrote on 10/11/2022, 10:00 AM

@MovieEditorr

Maybe you can try AVI with DivX or convert to Mp4/h264 afterwards with XMEDIA Recode

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AAProds wrote on 10/11/2022, 10:11 AM

@MovieEditorr

On the Export screen, click Advanced and choose the Microsoft Video 1 codec. That's around 75mb per minute. That'll be good for The Tube.

All my forum comments are based on or refer to my System 1.

My struggle is over! I built my (now) system 2 in 2011 when DV was king and MPEG 2 was just coming onto the scene and I needed a more powerful system to cope. Since then we've advanced to MP4 and to bigger and bigger resolutions. I was really suffering, not so much in editing (with proxies) but in encoding, which just took ages. A video, with Neat Video noise reduction applied, would encode at 12% of film speed. My new system 1 does the same job at 160% of film speed. Marvellous. I'm keeping my old system as a capture station for analogue video tapes and DV.

System 1

Windows 11 v23H2 severely modified by Openshell and ExplorerPatcher

Power supply: 850W Cooler Master (should have got modular)

CPU: Intel i7 13700K running at 3400mhz, cooled by a Kraken 2x140mm All In One liquid cooler.

RAM: 64gb (2x32gb sticks) G.Skill "Ripjaws" DDR4 3200Mhz

GPU 1: iGPU UHD 770

GPU 2: NVidia RTX 3060Ti Windforce 8gb

C drive: NVME 500gb

Various other SSD and HDDs.

Monitor: 27"/68cm Samsung, 2560 x 1440, 43 pixels/cm.

MEP 2021 version 20.0.1.80

Movie Studio 2023 version 22.0.3.172

Magix Video Easy version 7.0.1.145

System 2

(Still in use for TV and videotape capture)

Windows 10 v22H2

CPU: i5-750 at 2670mhz with 12gb RAM

Onboard IEEE1394 (Firewire) port

GPU: ATI Radeon HD 4770 (512mb) which is ignored by MEP

Hard drives: C Drive 256gb SSD, various other HDDs.

Monitor: Dell 22"/56cm, 1680x1050, 35 pixels/cm

MEP 2021 version 20.0.1.80

Movie Studio 2023 version 22.0.3.172

VPX 12

emmrecs wrote on 10/11/2022, 10:21 AM

@MovieEditorr

Who, or what, created your digitised file at 17 fps? As has clearly been stated this fps is completely non-standard and must be different to whichever standard of 8mm film was originally used.

Why would you expect VdL to export at those non-standard fps you list? I do not consider the fact that such frame rates are not supported as being a bug, sorry.

In his reply to you @browj2 showed you exactly how to resolve the problem and create a final file whose frame rate is "standard" and thus playable on a variety of softwares.

With reference to your 3 minute AVI being 7GB, that suggests you are using an extraordinarily high bit rate! What are your export settings?

Jeff
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AAProds wrote on 10/11/2022, 10:44 AM

@emmrecs

With reference to your 3 minute AVI being 7GB, that suggests you are using an extraordinarily high bit rate! What are your export settings?

Jeff, they're probably using the default AVI codec of YUV ie uncompressed (you can't adjust the bitrate for that). That's why I suggested MS Video 1.

All my forum comments are based on or refer to my System 1.

My struggle is over! I built my (now) system 2 in 2011 when DV was king and MPEG 2 was just coming onto the scene and I needed a more powerful system to cope. Since then we've advanced to MP4 and to bigger and bigger resolutions. I was really suffering, not so much in editing (with proxies) but in encoding, which just took ages. A video, with Neat Video noise reduction applied, would encode at 12% of film speed. My new system 1 does the same job at 160% of film speed. Marvellous. I'm keeping my old system as a capture station for analogue video tapes and DV.

System 1

Windows 11 v23H2 severely modified by Openshell and ExplorerPatcher

Power supply: 850W Cooler Master (should have got modular)

CPU: Intel i7 13700K running at 3400mhz, cooled by a Kraken 2x140mm All In One liquid cooler.

RAM: 64gb (2x32gb sticks) G.Skill "Ripjaws" DDR4 3200Mhz

GPU 1: iGPU UHD 770

GPU 2: NVidia RTX 3060Ti Windforce 8gb

C drive: NVME 500gb

Various other SSD and HDDs.

Monitor: 27"/68cm Samsung, 2560 x 1440, 43 pixels/cm.

MEP 2021 version 20.0.1.80

Movie Studio 2023 version 22.0.3.172

Magix Video Easy version 7.0.1.145

System 2

(Still in use for TV and videotape capture)

Windows 10 v22H2

CPU: i5-750 at 2670mhz with 12gb RAM

Onboard IEEE1394 (Firewire) port

GPU: ATI Radeon HD 4770 (512mb) which is ignored by MEP

Hard drives: C Drive 256gb SSD, various other HDDs.

Monitor: Dell 22"/56cm, 1680x1050, 35 pixels/cm

MEP 2021 version 20.0.1.80

Movie Studio 2023 version 22.0.3.172

VPX 12

johnebaker wrote on 10/11/2022, 10:48 AM

@MovieEditorr

Hi

. . . . MAGIX doesn't even support 16, 17 or 18 fps MP4 export... . . .

It won't, 24 fps is the minimum framerate for mp4 encoded video, which is the most widely used format and acceptable to the majority of players and devices for playback - anything less is non standard and will not play on many devices/players.

I would advise you to follow @browj2's process and settings - export at 24 fps, exporting at 17 fps is not advised if you want maximum compatibility with players etc.

John EB
Forum Moderator

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