"smart resample" + copying individual frame equivalent to movie plat?

CubeAce wrote on 9/17/2023, 3:18 PM

Hi.

1: Show the frame you want in the editor window, you can use the scroll wheel to get to the exact frame you want and 'Save as jpeg'.

2: The program may have trouble with non standard frame rates but right clicking any clip when using the timeline viewing mode and selecting properties allows you to 'interpolate frames' on that clip. You may then need to double the frame rate of the export but not sure about that. But then where do the extra generated frames go to if you don't?

3: Alternatively to produce the extra frames you could try using the speed adjust effect to slow it down and export it, which should produce the extra frames and then re-import that clip with the extra frames to bring it back up to speed.

I don't know if either of the last two methods work as I've never personally tried but that is how I would try to tackle the problem.

Ray.

Not-Applicable wrote on 9/17/2023, 3:23 PM

Where is the "save as jpg" option? I don't see anything like that? Thanks.

CubeAce wrote on 9/17/2023, 3:31 PM

@Not-Applicable

In the File / 'Export As' section.

Ray.

Not-Applicable wrote on 9/17/2023, 3:52 PM

oh, okay, thanks! PPS - is there an 'easier' way - like the 'clipboard copy' in movie studio platinum 14? thx!

CubeAce wrote on 9/17/2023, 4:23 PM

@Not-Applicable

Not that I'm aware of. Completely different workflow. There could be a shortcut key in the manual. It's not something I use so I've not looked.

Ray.

browj2 wrote on 9/17/2023, 4:49 PM

@Not-Applicable

Hi,

...is there an 'easier' way - like the 'clipboard copy' in movie studio platinum 14?

Yes, right-click on the object with the playback marker set at the frame that you want, Insert still image at the playback marker. You get a still image on the timeline that will be the duration set in the Program settings for still images. Now you can do what you want with that - copy it to clipboard (Ctrl+C), duplicate it (Ctrl+drag with left mouse button), make it longer or shorter, and move it, use effects, etc.

If you have set a range, you can select "Insert still image in range" and the duration will be that of the range. The frame will be the first frame of the range.

John CB

Former user wrote on 9/17/2023, 6:45 PM

@Not-Applicable Hi, Movie studio platinum 14 & Magix movie studio are completely different programs, it sounds like you've fallen for the Magix upgrading trap. Magix bought Vegas in about 2017 & then in about 2022 they renamed their program from Movie Edit Pro to Movie Studio. The correct or the closest upgrade is to Vegas Edit or Vegas Pro where almost everything will look like Movie studio platinum 14, Snapshot, Clipboard copy & Smart resample are still where you would expect to see them in. (Edit - Smart resample has been dropped in the later versions of Vegas Pro) As has been mentioned you can sort of replicate some the ways of Movie studio platinum 14 in Magix movie studio, you 'll have to learn that, but you'll also find there's other things that don't exist in Magix movie studio & can't be replicated that are/were in Movie studio platinum 14 / Vegas Pro.

Not-Applicable wrote on 9/17/2023, 7:01 PM

@Not-Applicable Hi, Movie studio platinum 14 & Magix movie studio are completely different programs, it sounds like you've fallen for the Magix upgrading trap. Magix bought Vegas in about 2017 & then in about 2022 they renamed their program from Movie Edit Pro to Movie Studio. The correct or the closest upgrade is to Vegas Edit or Vegas Pro where almost everything will look like Movie studio platinum 14, Snapshot, Clipboard copy & Smart resample are still where you would expect to see them in. (Edit - Smart resample has been dropped in the later versions of Vegas Pro) As has been mentioned you can sort of replicate some the ways of Movie studio platinum 14 in Magix movie studio, you 'll have to learn that, but you'll also find there's other things that don't exist in Magix movie studio & can't be replicated that are/were in Movie studio platinum 14 / Vegas Pro.

Yes, I did thing it was an "upgrade". Didn't realize it was a completely separate product. So I just use Magix for certain types of projects (the fast render is one of the most useful things), but seeing if I can figure out how to do the same functionality that I needed/used in platinum.

browj2 wrote on 9/17/2023, 7:37 PM

@Not-Applicable

Hi,

Did you read what I wrote as to how to do what you wanted?

There is very, and I mean very, very little that you could do in Vegas Movie Studio that cannot be done in Magix Movie Studio, but there is a whole lot more that can be done in Magix Movie Studio than could ever be done in Vegas Movie Studio.

John CB

Former user wrote on 9/17/2023, 7:43 PM

@Not-Applicable Yep, Magix Movie studio (MMS) is a fairly good program, I've had it since 2004 & upgrade it each yr but it is as far as i'm concerned it is a lesser program to Vegas Pro (VP) so see how you get on, It'll do most things needed & is a lot more stable,

Export in MMS I always considered faster (since the new MMS infusion engine was installed) but recently I've come to question that, If i add any effects export can slow dramatically, on my PC anyway, There was a recent post of someone trying to export a 2hr clip, I exported a version using MMS & it took 19mins, I tried it in Vegas & it also took 19mins. PC's with Intel iGPU's might get a different result.

MMS has a lightning symbol ⚡bottom right of the preview window, if I turn that on sometimes things like text disappears from view, the same sometimes happens with Prerender.

I'm finding I open VP now instead of MMS because of -

Track compositing
Parent/child of tracks - Trackmotion moving all clips
3D of tracks
The fx chain can have multiples of the same fx & reordering them
Scripts
Plugins / extensions like HOS or Voukoder
There's no export with transparency in MMS
limited render options in MMS
Adjustment tracks
Colour grading is limited in MMS
Timeline time format
Import subtitle srt.
There's a lot more transition controls in VP
A lot of my plugins don't work in MMS
The different ways an fx can be applied, to an event, the track or the whole project.
Masking in MMs has to be done with a B/W mask,
Greater control of the project settings, colour & pixel aspect
ProRes don't play well in MMS for me.
I don't like the Section option in MMS, the way it works, this has been debated on here a few times over the yrs

There's a lot more to VP that I find missing, limited or frustrating when i open MMS. But Vegas does crash more than MMS,

Former user wrote on 9/17/2023, 7:44 PM

There is very, and I mean very, very little that you could do in Vegas Movie Studio that cannot be done in Magix Movie Studio, but there is a whole lot more that can be done in Magix Movie Studio than could ever be done in Vegas Movie Studio.

John CB

@browj2 Wrong!

browj2 wrote on 9/17/2023, 10:11 PM

@Former user

We are talking about Vegas Movie Studio vs Magix Movie Studio, not Vegas Pro.

John CB

emmrecs wrote on 9/18/2023, 4:09 AM

@Not-Applicable

When I want to save a single frame as a jpeg, having ensured the specific frame is shown in the monitor window I simply use the keyboard shortcut Ctrl+Alt+J. You do have to select a location to save the image.

HTH

Jeff
Forum Moderator

browj2 wrote on 9/18/2023, 9:21 AM

@Not-Applicable

Hi,

Just looking at Vegas, I see the button to copy the image to the clipboard. Can it be pasted or do you have to save it and then import it?

If you have to save it to be able to use it, then the way that @Former user indicated, and using the shortcut by @emmrecs, does the same thing.

The way that I indicated (right-click, Insert still image at the playback marker) puts the still image on the timeline and no file is saved. It depends on what you want to do or need. As far as I can see, this feature is not in VMS.

John CB

ericlnz wrote on 9/18/2023, 6:54 PM

Can it be pasted or do you have to save it and then import it?

VMS has two adjacent buttons "Copy snapshot to clipboard" and "Copy snapshot to file" The latter produces a window for you to choose where you save the file and the file also appears in the Project Media Pane.

The way that I indicated (right-click, Insert still image at the playback marker) puts the still image on the timeline and no file is saved. It depends on what you want to do or need. As far as I can see, this feature is not in VMS.

Also on VMS's timeline if you want to freeze at a point with a "still image" there's the ability to right click on a timeline event (clip) then select Insert/Remove Envelope/Freeze Frame at Cursor. (A strange place to have it). Or you can split the Event, create a subclip and stretch it out (with looping off). No still image file is produced though.

Different programmes have different ways of achieving things. As long as they get you there does it really matter for the average consumer. As I've said before your software is only a tool and it's what you do with it that matters. These days we seem to get bogged down with technicalities.

AAProds wrote on 9/18/2023, 7:18 PM

Different programmes have different ways of achieving things. As long as they get you there does it really matter for the average consumer. As I've said before your software is only a tool and it's what you do with it that matters. These days we seem to get bogged down with technicalities.

True, to a certain extent. Programs can make life very much easier by being easier to use though.

browj2 wrote on 9/19/2023, 8:22 AM

@ericlnz

Hi Eric,

Thanks for the information.

Insert/Remove Envelope/Freeze Frame at Cursor

When you think about it, it makes sense. What throws one off is the "Remove Envelope" part. I presume that that means that effects are removed (I didn't tryit). Is that correct? Or does it mean that effect changes over time (keyframes) are removed, which is what one would expect as it's just a static shot.

In Magix, the equivalent is

Insert still image at the playback marker

but effects are not removed. Also, it's a different way of saying the same thing "still image" = "Freeze Frame" etc.

Magix MS uses the term "curves" rather than "envelopes," except for one case where the manual mentions "various envelope curves." Different lingo and one almost needs a dictionary to translate between programs.

My question was about the "Copy snapshot to clipboard" in VMS. I was expecting that I could paste it onto the timeline, but one cannot. However, one can paste it into another program like an image processing program or MS Word. That is a great feature and I would like that in MMS/VPX. I'll add it to the wish list.

John CB

Former user wrote on 9/19/2023, 9:03 AM

@browj2 Hi, no you're right you can't paste the 'Copy snapshot to clipboard' to the timeline, prob why next to that clipboard button there's 'Copy snapshot to file' & that can easily be dragged onto the timeline from Project Media Pane.as ericinz mentions, but that's often the case with copy image in Windows, you can't Copy Image from Google for instance & paste into a folder, it has to be pasted into a photo editor then exported,

Copy snapshot to clipboard is used for the Split screen option & an fx like Boris's color match, (Google pics can copied & also be used because they're in the clipboard) , (Windows key + V)

I used two very different coloured images just for illustration, they're incompatible really

Vegas Color Match uses the clipboard

Yes pasting into a photo editor is good but what is hard to beat is the HOS option to open an image in any editor you choose & it adds it as a png take with transparency if needed, so you can easily go back to the orig or pic n choose which you'd like to use, If someone can create something like HOS (I use the free options) why can't the video editor creators do the same as a built in function,

This was a UHD 3840x2160 project, preview was set at Good (Half) so Copy snapshot to file saved it as 1920x1080, I should've changed Preview to Good (Full) it would've then saved the image at the full 3840x2160 🤦‍♂️

browj2 wrote on 9/19/2023, 10:00 AM

@Former user

Hi,

Very interesting and we're getting a bit off-topic here.

My point was that it would be nice to just copy the image to clipboard and paste it elsewhere (an image program) without having to save the file and using that as the "Copy snapshot to clipboard" command does. I do this often but it's usually a screen capture from MMS, not an image from a video. An image from a video clip requires the export - in both VMS and MMS, just done differently. VMS has a button, MMS does not but a shortcut can be used.

The HOS (Happy Otter Scripts) for Vegas are great, but an add-on, as you indicated, and not available for MMS or VPX.

OT but for the benefit of @Not-Applicable and @ericlnz, in MMS you can open an image from the timeline in an external image editor and edit it like you show for Vegas using Vegas Image (part of Vegas Post). Note that the still created by the "Insert still image at the playback marker" command cannot be sent to an external image editor.

The default is PhotoDesigner 7 which comes with MMS Platinum/Suite. (Vegas MS and Vegas Pro Edit did/do not come with an external image editor. Only Vegas Post does.)

Upon exiting:

Create copy puts the modified image in the same folder with a suffix to show that it's a copy. Thus it's almost the same as the HOS takes that you show. You can have multiple "takes" that are in the Import tab/folder rather than a list.

I use PaintShop Pro or Xara, depending on what I want to do. They also create a copy each time. PaintShop Pro uses subfolder.

@Former user Please keep in mind that the OP is coming from VMS, not Vegas Pro, to MMS. The clientele and needs are not the same as for pros.

John CB

Former user wrote on 9/19/2023, 10:36 AM

@browj2 Yeah I was just trying to show the clipboard option & I don't have a copy of VMS14 so don't know what was or is available in that program reg this clipboard/pic topic but it's clear he did/does have Copy the image to clipboard in VMS.

I have GIMP selected in MMS as the external editor, I've used it for many yrs, never liked Magix photodesigner, It does open ok but I don't get the copy option, the preview image updates but the timeline & thumbnail image in the folder in MMS don't update. 🤷‍♂️

browj2 wrote on 9/19/2023, 10:44 AM

@Former user

Hi,

...the preview image updates but the timeline & thumbnail image in the folder in MMS don't update.

This has been raised many times, I believe, and is still an annoying issue.

The solution is in the top menu, "Empty undo and cache memory" and the image will update itself on the timeline.

In PhotoDesigner, the Copy option only shows up upon exiting, and probably only if something has changed.

John CB

Former user wrote on 9/19/2023, 11:11 AM

@browj2 Empty undo and cache memory - I did try that & just tried it again, nope doesn't work for me.

& Copy option only shows up upon exiting must be something built into MMS/Photodesigner or just doesn't work with GIMP. it doesn't matter tho.

CubeAce wrote on 9/19/2023, 11:14 AM

@Former user

Hi Gid.

I have VMS 16. Does this answer your question?

Ray.

browj2 wrote on 9/19/2023, 12:20 PM

@Former user

Hi,

Something is very strange. This image in the thumbnail is not the same as what is going on the timeline. I'll try this with VPX15 later. I was using MMS2023.

Could it be something with GIMP?

& Copy option only shows up upon exiting must be something built into MMS/Photodesigner

Yes, that is built into PhotoDesigner as that is the program that you are exiting. As I mentioned, PaintShop Pro proposes something similar upon exiting (or saving) and this is part of that program and I have PaintShop Pro set up to do this in the preferences. It has nothing to do with the video editor.

Does GIMP not have a setting to create a copy or propose to create a backup copy upon saving or exiting? If not, that could be disastrous.

John CB