Several questions regarding my equipment!

Kanyl wrote on 12/31/2013, 7:30 PM

I just got myself a M-Audio Keystation 61es on christmas, and I am having some problems and thoughts!

1. I am not sure if I should keep this midi-keyboard or not! For about 50$ more, I can get a Yamaha PSR-E343 or a Casio CTK-4200, that are regular keyboards, with midi/usb in- and output! Why should I keep my Keystation, when I pretty much can get the same thing and MUCH more on a regular keyboard?

2. Can I record with the sounds from a regular keyboard, into MMM? This is a huge reason why I am thinking about getting a regular keyboard. I can get over 500 sounds, besides what MM offers, which would help me a lot for creating my music!

3. Do I need to buy a soundcard? I am trying out the trial at the moment and I love the program! But, I do feel there is some kind of latency and my laptop that I use has awesome specs (like i7 CPU, 16gb ram, etc). How come? I thought the USB input would give no latency at all! How to fix it?

4. Should I buy the basic pack of MMM, with some things included, that is really cheap right now? Or perhaps the premium edition? I know the lincens things is kinda different in both, but if I make my own melodies with just the sounds/instruments without using any loops, I guess it does not matter what version I use of MMM, even for commercial use?

5. Something more to add? All I want is to be able to create orchestral music (like Adrian von Ziegler) with instantly response from my keyboard, in MMM and then share or even sell my music later on in the future, if that is possible!

Hope you can help me and please answear all my questions, because I really need some help with all of this!

Have a great new year and thanks in advance! :)

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Procyon wrote on 12/31/2013, 10:48 PM

1-2.  As you probably know, the M-Audio Keystation 61es is a MIDI controller only and transmits MIDI over a USB cable.  The Yamaha PSR-E343 and Casio CTK-4200 are electronic keyboards with their own onboard voices.  They can also be used as MIDI controllers.  However, to record the onboard voices from these keyboards, you would connect the AUDIO OUT from the keyboard to the LINE-IN on your sound card (assuming you have one).  It's likely you'll need a USB audio interface to connect the audio out to your computer.

3. Again, it's likely you'll need a USB audio interface to connect the audio out to your computer, which is essentially a sound card.  It sounds like you need a low-latency driver (ASIO) - please read the tutorial on latency in the tutorial section above.

4. Don't waste your time with the basic version - go for the Premium version.  The soundpools are much larger and more features make it well worth the money.  The (private) license is exactly the same for both versions.  For commercial use of the soundpool, you'd have to buy the Audio Pro Unlimited license for the soundpool on CATOOH.

5. There's really nothing to add.  There's no problem selling any ORIGINAL material you create with your keyboard or the included VST instruments.  The soundpool material will require the commercial license.

nihon94 wrote on 12/31/2013, 10:58 PM

I will try to answer as much as I can, in the meantime others may also give you some help.

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I just got myself a M-Audio Keystation 61es on christmas, and I am having some problems and thoughts!

1. I am not sure if I should keep this midi-keyboard or not! For about 50$ more, I can get a Yamaha PSR-E343 or a Casio CTK-4200, that are regular keyboards, with midi/usb in- and output! Why should I keep my Keystation, when I pretty much can get the same thing and MUCH more on a regular keyboard?

Question is which Keyboard you can use with Magix Music Maker.

2. Can I record with the sounds from a regular keyboard, into MMM? This is a huge reason why I am thinking about getting a regular keyboard. I can get over 500 sounds, besides what MM offers, which would help me a lot for creating my music!

Some Magix user share their music and often they use Keyboard that is I think it is possible. For reference check the tutorial.

http://www.magix.info/us/how-to-connect-keyboard-piano-with-computer-ii.online-training.130220.html

3. Do I need to buy a soundcard? I am trying out the trial at the moment and I love the program! But, I do feel there is some kind of latency and my laptop that I use has awesome specs (like i7 CPU, 16gb ram, etc). How come? I thought the USB input would give no latency at all! How to fix it?

Your computer specification is good. We use extra sound card or audio interface only if computer's sound is not proper. The problem of latency could be solved by settings in Magix Music Maker. There are also tutorials available on this site.

http://www.magix.info/us/how-to-solve-latency-problem.online-training.130215.html

4. Should I buy the basic pack of MMM, with some things included, that is really cheap right now? Or perhaps the premium edition? I know the lincens things is kinda different in both, but if I make my own melodies with just the sounds/instruments without using any loops, I guess it does not matter what version I use of MMM, even for commercial use?

Your question got two topics: a, should you buy basic or premium pack of Music Maker. Basic/Standard got few features with less sounds while Deluxe/Premium or upper version got more features and more sounds. My advice if you want good thing go for Premium or up. b, second part, using sound for commercial usage. If you use Magix Music Maker version I guess 11-16 Deluxe or Premium there is no need to buy separate commercial license while any up version such as 17, 18 etc you have to buy a separate Audio Pro license to use Magix Soundpool in your commercial work. You can buy license from Catooh. If you scroll down at the bottom of this page you can see the link for Catooh.

http://www.catooh.com/uk/sys/id/Katalog/area/8507/

5. Something more to add? All I want is to be able to create orchestral music (like Adrian von Ziegler) with instantly response from my keyboard, in MMM and then share or even sell my music later on in the future, if that is possible!

As mentioned above you can buy sounds from Catooh, go to that site surf and choose the audio you like but do not forget to read the license for commercial usage.

Hope you can help me and please answear all my questions, because I really need some help with all of this!

Have a great new year and thanks in advance! :)

Hope my answer will give you some help. Happy New Year you too.

Friendly suggestion: do not buy anything unless you know how to use, what are license terms, which version is good for you. Which version is easy. Music Maker is easier than Samplitude for beginners. If you got problem ask question here. To get proper answer always add details of your problems.

nihon94

browj2 wrote on 1/2/2014, 12:47 AM

Hi,

Further to the other replies, you can only record to one track at a time in MMM. This may be ok for you if you are building your tracks by yourself, one at a time.

If you want more flexibility and features, get Samplitude Music Studio. The Music Studio offered as part of the package is quite basic, but interesting.

Recording from your keyboard using its own sounds will create an analog type file. As Procyon indicated,for this you use the line out from the keyboard to line in on the computer sound card. To use the multitude of instruments available in Magix, you connect your keyboard as a midi input, using the USB cable as indicated in the other posts. You can edit the midi track on the computer, whereas you cannot edit the analog file to correct any deficiencies. You can also change the Midi instrument after recording.

Definitely go for the keyboard. I have a Casio WK-225 and it works well with MMM, once I got the ASIO4ALL driver installed.

If you want to build songs like Adrian von Ziegler, I wish you the best. I had never heard of him until your post. Thanks for the introduction to his music.

Regards,

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Kanyl wrote on 1/2/2014, 12:24 PM

Hi,

Further to the other replies, you can only record to one track at a time in MMM. This may be ok for you if you are building your tracks by yourself, one at a time.

If you want more flexibility and features, get Samplitude Music Studio. The Music Studio offered as part of the package is quite basic, but interesting.

Recording from your keyboard using its own sounds will create an analog type file. As Procyon indicated,for this you use the line out from the keyboard to line in on the computer sound card. To use the multitude of instruments available in Magix, you connect your keyboard as a midi input, using the USB cable as indicated in the other posts. You can edit the midi track on the computer, whereas you cannot edit the analog file to correct any deficiencies. You can also change the Midi instrument after recording.

Definitely go for the keyboard. I have a Casio WK-225 and it works well with MMM, once I got the ASIO4ALL driver installed.

If you want to build songs like Adrian von Ziegler, I wish you the best. I had never heard of him until your post. Thanks for the introduction to his music.

Regards,

First of all: THANKS SO MUCH for all the help and answears! Really nice of you all!

I manage to fix the latency drivers, that I had so much problems with before, which made my Keystation latency free. I was really happy, but I also missed to play normally, without the computer. I have been thinking about the Yamaha and Casio all day long, and took a chanse after reading your post John. I will tell you this: it was probably one of my best decisions ever, in my whole life!

For 2 hours I have been playing on  the Casio and it has everything! It feels like a really expensive keyboard and the quality is top notch! I have been smiling the whole time since I got it and it is just perfect for me! Feels like it is a soul-mate! Best of all: it works excellent in MMM via USB, with no latency at all!

Regarding what version I should pick of MMM, I still think that the offer with MMM 2014, Soundpool 17 & 20 and Studio 2 is the best option for me. It feels like I get the same thing no matter what I take and the included soundpools (I want the instruments) is something that I won't get in premium edition. I will mainly use instruments, like 95% of the time, so the soundpools are not something that I am interested in. Because of all this, I think this package is my best bet!

The reason why I even heard about MMM from the beginning, is because of Adrian Von Ziegler. He said in an interview that he only uses his keyboard and this program, when he creates music. I can understand why! Anyway, I hope you like his music John and thanks once again!

Have a nice day! 

Procyon wrote on 1/2/2014, 7:05 PM

Glad we could help.  But, before you talk yourself into anything, let me emphasize the fact that the Premium version is MUCH better.

If you're not that interested in the soundpools so much, why would you go for a package offering two extra soundpools but only the basic version of MMM?  I can't tell you how many people have posted here about how PO'd they were when they found out how basic the basic version really is.

The Premium version not only includes a soundpool that is two to three times the size of the basic version, but most importantly, the Revolta 2 synthesizer, probably twice as many VST instruments and the ability to add other third-party (many are free) VST instruments.  Any way you look at it, it is the far better investment IMHO.