Saving Custom Window Arrangement - saving main and sub navigation?

Can-Dive wrote on 3/29/2025, 8:21 AM

I have created a number of different custom window arrangements in VPX and MMS. No problem. There are two tick boxes to save the Media Pool main navigation and subnavigation. What does this mean exactly? I suspect "navigation" has something to do with the folder tree but I'm not sure what? The help instructions are not very detailed either. By ticking these boxes what is the system actually saving? It must be something obvious that I'm missing.

 

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johnebaker wrote on 3/29/2025, 9:52 AM

@Can-Dive

Hi

When saving Main and sub navigation, there is an extra parameter added to the layout file which determines which tab is to be opened.

For example, if you save the Windows layout with the Effects tab open, and save with the sub navigation, on reload it will automatically open the Effects tab.

The same goes for the other tabs templates, Audio etc.

The apparent loss of one of the preview monitors is because I did not record the second monitor.

John EB

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Can-Dive wrote on 3/30/2025, 1:10 AM

@johnebaker

Thanks for the explanation. I now understand the concept. One of the custom windows I have is called Effects. I spent some time on this feature and made following observations. As you have described, the "Main navigation" refers to the six tabs in the Media Pool: Import, Effects, Templates, Audio, Store and Magix HUB. So, using your example, if you create a custom window for Effects with the Effects tab open/active and you save the main navigation (by ticking the box), every time you open the Effects custom window, the effects tab is open/active.

By extending this logic to "Sub-navigation" one should be able to customise a window further. Using the Effects example, if you always use a specific effect, let's say "Color", you should be able to create a custom window called; "Color" which, when opened, always displays this effect. The Main navigation tick box saves the "Effects Tab" and the Sub-navigation tick box saves the "Color effect."

Based on my findings, the Main navigation tick box works as designed but the Sub-navigation tick box does not work at all. I suspect a bug has been introduced into this feature at some point.

 

johnebaker wrote on 3/30/2025, 3:48 AM

@Can-Dive

Hi

. . . . "Main navigation" refers to the six tabs in the Media Pool: Import, Effects, Templates, Audio, Store and Magix HUB . . . .

Not quite - the Main navigation refers to the Media Pool dockable window/pane/panel, the effects tabs are in.

. . . . Based on my findings, the Main navigation tick box works as designed . . . . but the Sub-navigation tick box does not work at all. I suspect a bug has been introduced . . . .

The Sub navigation refers to the individual tabs in that pane/panel.

. . . . Using the Effects example, if you always use a specific effect, let's say "Color", you should be able to create a custom window called; "Color" which, when opened, always displays this effect. . . .

This would be an 'sub parameter' of the sub navigation which does not exist.

A contributing factor, which gives the appearance that you can get to a specific effect, is actually the normal behaviour of the program remembering the last used state of the individual tabs.

For example, if the last used effect in the Effects tab is Colour this is remembered, so when you switch back and forth between tabs you get the 'last used' option. this also applies when closing the program and restarting, with the caveat that I have not tested all possible options..

Default layout example of remembered states:

Video clip is as recorded, no editing, so is a little bit long

HTH

John EB

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VPX 16, Movie Studio 2025, and earlier versions 2015 and 2016, Music Maker Premium 2024.

PC - running Windows 11 23H2 Professional on Intel i7-8700K 3.2 GHz, 16GB RAM, RTX 2060 6GB 192-bit GDDR6, 1 x 1Tb Sabrent NVME SSD (OS and programs), 2 x 4TB (Data) internal HDD + 1TB internal SSD (Work disc), + 6 ext backup HDDs.

Laptop - Lenovo Legion 5i Phantom - running Windows 11 24H2 on Intel Core i7-10750H, 16GB DDR4-SDRAM, 512GB SSD, 43.9 cm screen Full HD 1920 x 1080, Intel UHD 630 iGPU and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 (6GB GDDR6)

Sony FDR-AX53e Video camera, DJI Osmo Action 3 and Sony HDR-AS30V Sports cams.

Can-Dive wrote on 3/30/2025, 7:23 AM

@johnebaker

Not quite - the Main navigation refers to the Media Pool dockable window/pane/panel, the effects tabs are in.

Unfortunately, I'm not following you. What are you trying to save when you Save main navigation (ticking the box) vs not ticking the box?

If I create a custom window without ticking the Save main navigation box, when I open that window, the tab I previously had open will remain open. So for example, say I created a custom window and called it "My view" and I saved My view without ticking the Save Main navigation box. If I was in the Import tab using the Standard mode and I then opened My view, the Import Tab would remain open.

But if I create a custom window called "My Templates" with the Templates tab open and I tick the Save main navigation box, every time I open My Templates, the Templates tab will open even though I may have been previously in the Effects tab. In this instance I did not tick the Save sub-navigation box.

Do you have a different finding?

 

johnebaker wrote on 3/30/2025, 10:37 AM

@Can-Dive

Hi

. . . . Do you have a different finding . . . .

Updated for clarity:

Using your scenarios, for the 3 combinations of the navigation options, I have added the 3rd option Main + Sub navigation:

  1. No navigation options - the same as "My view", the current open tab and subsection stays open.
     
  2. Main navigation only - "My templates", the My Templates tab opens, the subsection is the last used.
     
  3. Main + Sub navigation - "My templates" opens and the subsection, eg Transitions, Collages etc, is selected/open

John EB

Last changed by johnebaker on 3/30/2025, 11:51 AM, changed a total of 2 times.

VPX 16, Movie Studio 2025, and earlier versions 2015 and 2016, Music Maker Premium 2024.

PC - running Windows 11 23H2 Professional on Intel i7-8700K 3.2 GHz, 16GB RAM, RTX 2060 6GB 192-bit GDDR6, 1 x 1Tb Sabrent NVME SSD (OS and programs), 2 x 4TB (Data) internal HDD + 1TB internal SSD (Work disc), + 6 ext backup HDDs.

Laptop - Lenovo Legion 5i Phantom - running Windows 11 24H2 on Intel Core i7-10750H, 16GB DDR4-SDRAM, 512GB SSD, 43.9 cm screen Full HD 1920 x 1080, Intel UHD 630 iGPU and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 (6GB GDDR6)

Sony FDR-AX53e Video camera, DJI Osmo Action 3 and Sony HDR-AS30V Sports cams.

Can-Dive wrote on 3/30/2025, 9:53 PM

@johnebaker

No navigation options - the same as "My view", the current open tab and subsection stays open.

Confirmed

Main navigation only - "My templates", the My Templates tab opens, the subsection is the last used.

Confirmed

Main + Sub navigation - "My templates" opens and the subsection, eg Transitions, Collages etc, is selected/open

When you saved the Sub-navigation, what subsection did you have highlighted/open? I want to try and replicate it.

Thanks🙂

johnebaker wrote on 3/31/2025, 1:21 AM

@Can-Dive

Hi

. . . . When you saved the Sub-navigation, what subsection did you have highlighted/open?  . . . .

I tried Transitions, Collages, the video in my comment 4 up from this one, used effects..

Make sure you are in another tab before switching.

John EB

VPX 16, Movie Studio 2025, and earlier versions 2015 and 2016, Music Maker Premium 2024.

PC - running Windows 11 23H2 Professional on Intel i7-8700K 3.2 GHz, 16GB RAM, RTX 2060 6GB 192-bit GDDR6, 1 x 1Tb Sabrent NVME SSD (OS and programs), 2 x 4TB (Data) internal HDD + 1TB internal SSD (Work disc), + 6 ext backup HDDs.

Laptop - Lenovo Legion 5i Phantom - running Windows 11 24H2 on Intel Core i7-10750H, 16GB DDR4-SDRAM, 512GB SSD, 43.9 cm screen Full HD 1920 x 1080, Intel UHD 630 iGPU and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 (6GB GDDR6)

Sony FDR-AX53e Video camera, DJI Osmo Action 3 and Sony HDR-AS30V Sports cams.