Thanks Jeff.
Not always in a second project. Even in the current project, I just want to be able to use the same reverb setting in other tracks.
For example, if I apply a preset vocal setting within the mixer and then modify it to reduce the amount of reverb,then I would like to save that setting as a custom setting for other tracks or future projects.
Sometimes I can have 13 audio tracks and I don't like having to do a manual change to each one.
I can save the effect within the object but when the object gets cut to work on a section, with reverb applied, it changes to sound very far away. Just a bug that hasn't been addressed yet. "A bit hard to explain"
Doug
 

Hi Doug

I am a little puzzled as to what you are doing in VPX - from your comments it would suggest you are making music videos - is this correct?

. . . . Sometimes I can have 13 audio tracks and I don't like having to do a manual change to each one . . . .

What are the audio tracks:

1. different musical instruments and vocals, created by you, if so using which software?
    
2. recorded live performances, what were they recorded with, eg multitrack recorder?
    
3. or what?
    
4. does all the audio have the same reverb setting or is it specific audio objects or tracks?

John EB

Hi John EB.
One part of my work is multi cam and multi track live band recording.
With a full band mic'd up, I end up with around 13 audio tracks to a multi track recorder and around 12 cameras. so I have control over each band member.
Look up dugsbugs1 on Youtube to find some videos. Just scroll down the page to find some band video's.
The most vocal tracks I have had is 8 from a vocal group and that is why I would like the ability to save the reverb setting within the mixer as a custom or user setting because I use the same reverb for most vocals..
When I right click on the object and choose reverb in the menu, as soon as I cut the object with the "T" then the audio becomes very distant. That is why I need it as a save option in the track effects within the mixer so it's the channel having reverb added rather than the object.
I've done without the option for this long but it would be nice if they get around to fixing the problem with cutting the object.
I have probably just confused the hell out of you.
Doug
 

 That is why I need it as a save option in the track effects within the mixer 

Why not then use the FX button above each mixer channel to apply the needed reverb, or whatever, to the specific audio track(s)? Doing that, when you save the project the FX settings are also saved. Also, using this method, I think you have rather more control over the "amount" of processing actually being applied to the channel.

Jeff

Hi DugsBugs

. . . . I have probably just confused the hell out of you. . . .

Not at all, this is something like what I suspected you were doing. I did look to see if you had anything on Youtube, however the search kept prompting a different name, should have just hit search instead of accepting the suggestions.

I can reproduce the distant effect you are getting, with or without making any cuts, only using extreme settings for Room Size (very large) and Mix (nearly all effect).

What settings are you using in the Reverb/Echo options?

John EB

Firstly to Jeff.
Using the fx button is exactly what I do. I know the setting gets saved with the project but I can't use the setting as a preset in another project and I can't replicate it on another object in the current project.
To John EB
I generally use Cathedral in the vocal presets and then reduce effect from there.
Then all I want to do is give that new setting a name and save it to apply in other vocal tracks rather than selecting cathedral and making manual changes to every vocal track.
I know that once the effect is applied, they get saved within the project but I want to choose it as a preset with a user name. Live Vocal for example.
Doug

@johnebaker
I have solved the issue of the distant sound when cutting the object.
After cutting, I then re apply the effect to the right side of the cut which I have saved as an audio effect and it then matches the left side of the cut.
This will work for me until they work out a way to give us a user preset in the fx of the mixer.
Doug.

Hi Doug

Thanks for letting us know, no doubt this will crop up again in the future.

John EB

@johnebaker

Thanks John EB.
Did you find the youtube channel.
I know the google suggestions can be a problem with the O left out of Doug
https://www.youtube.com/user/dugsbugs1/videos?disable_polymer=1
Doug.

Hi Doug,

I've done a lot of band recording over the years, both studio and live, audio only and video/audio and still do band videos from time to time. I do though work differently to you though, treating the audio mix as an audio only project first.

I don't find any video editing programme great for audio editing for band work due to the limited facilities. So in your situation, I would either use a DAW like Cubase to drop the audio tracks into and use the excellent mixing and FX in the programme, saving to an mp3 or Wav stereo master. You could also save the template for the next project, retaining the fx but deleting the audio. Alternatively, I believe you are recording the audio with a Zoom R16 which I think gives you 16 live inputs down to 8 simultaneous record tracks. As you can replay all 16 tracks simultaneously, you should be able to carry out a good mix using the built in digital effects more efficiently than in VPX and again outputting a finished stereo mix. I believe the Zoom recorders usually include a pretty good DAW.

It's then straight forward to drop the finished audio mix into VPX and edit the video to it after auto synching all the video tracks. You could use multi cam edit, although personally I prefer to leave track one empty, stereo master audio on track two, and then cut and drag the clips into track one for the master video. We all work different ways of course but I find that the most efficient and easier than faffing with the audio mixing in VPX

Roger

Thanks Roger.
That's not the way I work.
I have 3 r16s to give me 24 direct inputs.Simply no room to set up to computer.
I take files directly from the sd cards and do the whole lot in one project including video.
Magix is the only program I have found that will do that.
Keeping it in one project gives me the ability to tweak the audio with the video in place.
If I find a section of vocal that needs adjusting I can't do that once it's been mixed down.
The on board effects in the Zoom will never give the same result as VPX. I've tried both ways.
The Zoom is just a raw capture tool
Doug

Hi Doug,

I think I wasn't quite clear what I meant. I didn't mean setting up a computer for the live mix, I meant to do what you are doing now, but take the raw audio files and drop them into a DAW like Cubase for a high quality audio mix, before you use VPX for the video, which would give you much more flexibility than any video editor. Like that, if you have a section of vocal that needs tweaking, you will be doing it in the DAW but you will also have much more sophisticated sweep eq, compression, reverbs, etc using recording industry standard algorithms. Like that, your final audio mix will have everything carefully balanced end eq adjusted so that you can concentrate on the video without audio distractions. It would also enable you to do anything else with the audio at a later date if you wanted because you could still keep a master of the multitrack on the DAW as well as the stereo mix.

I completely understand that you are comfortable with the way that you work, but from your description, it sounds as though you are finding the limitations.

I like your synched 3x R16 setup, as most of my music work has been studio based with a 48 channel desk and Pro tools software. As I do far less band work now than I used to, I was thinking of getting a small portable recorder for quick audio recordings at clubs and pubs. Any particular shortcomings with the R16?

Roger

Thanks Roger.
My knowledge of more complex systems is limited and the amount of work I do with bands is not my main business.
When you say DAW , I assume you are talking something similar to Adobe Audition as well which I have used in the past but all Adobe products seem to be very complex.
I have got Cubase that came with the R16s but I have never used it.
I have spent a lot of money on audio equipment but don't get to use it that much.
My main focus is Multi cam but I like the fact I can do everything within VPX and for youtube and facebook, I don't need to get a super professional job but having said that, the results I am getting beat a lot of the rubbish I see.
Thanks for your suggestions. I am always looking for better ways to do things but I find I haven't got the patience to re work my process and to be honest , most of the audio mix I do is just reverb, panning, EQ and levels.
I am not having a lot of problems with the program, only the saving of the reverb preset which I have now found a way around.
Thanks Again
Doug.

@RogerGunkel
Sorry Roger, I didn't address your last question.
The R16 is the only way I have found to record 8 separate tracks.
I guess it wastes all the internal functions of the recorder only using it to capture raw audio.
The only thing I am finding is having to split the incoming signal because modern digital mixers only have limited record outputs so I use XLR splitters to get the audio before it hits the band mixer.
Doug

Hi Doug,

The Cubase that came with recorders is probably the light version, but well worth taking a look at if you get some free time and want to play :-) DAW is just the abbreviation for Digital Audio Workstation, saves typing the whole thing. Do you mic up everything with individual mics or do you take an audio tap from somewhere else? I would assume from the split connectors that you are using them to split the band mixer mic input feeds.

My band work is very occasional now as 90% is weddings, both video and photography, but mainly both together. A small mixer recorder would be convenient though, rather than the current Alesis one going to a laptop and into Cubase for live recordings.

Roger

Hi Roger.
I use whatever the band has. As many mics as possible.
If it's a small venue without the drums being mic'd then I have my own drum mic kit.
I have really only worked with a couple of local bands so I know how they work.
As like you I do weddings but my main work is Funerals believe it or not.
I can use up to 14 cameras on a funeral production.
Doug

Hi,

It would be nice to be able to save the audio settings in VPX somehow. We should add this to the wish-list that Mathias started.

You can save the project with a name like "Template XX Audio effects" with all AV objects deleted. The mixer settings will all still be there. Then when you start a new project, use the template, do a Save as with the new name and make your project, putting the audio objects on the correct tracks for the audio effects.

Another alternative is to get Samplitude Pro X3 Suite. If it is still on sale for 149$, then run, don't walk and get it. You can then export from VPX as an EDL file with the settings to mixdown the video but to use the audio files. The only problem is that you first have to mixdown the audio for each track to a wave file, move the wave file to the correct track each time. Then when you open the EDL in Samplitude, you have the video and all of the objects on the various tracks. I haven't tried it, but you should be able to save your audio effects in Samplitude to be reused. Of course, you now have a super-charged program (and one of the best) to do audio editing.

I have a problem that keep cropping up in VPX. If lucky, when I right-click on an audio object, I have edit audio in external program. This does a mixdown of just the object, opens the external editor, Music Editor 3 by default (I use AML), and then just exit it. Once all objects have been mixed down, then export to EDL. If you do dubbing, like adding music, the above is simpler as you can just send out a mixdown of the entire project in one shot.

However, an interesting feature is that you can run VPX and Samplitude simultaneously as master/slave or slave/master and create the dubbing in Samplitude but both programs run at the same time, meaning when you press on play/record in the master, the slave also runs. You can edit it VPX to get timing better, etc. Of course, this requires two monitors and preferably 16GB or more of RAM. When the audio part is done, export is directly to VPX, all the time keeping the Samplitude detailed project.

I'm at a chalet in the mountains of eastern Quebec and can't get my cell phone to tether or act as a mobile hot spot. Annoying. It worked here last year. Oh well.

HTH

John CB

It looks like the 149$ sale on Samplitude Pro X3 Suite has ended, yesterday, I think. Too bad for those who didn't get it but could use it. Just the included spectral editor is an excellent tool to have for fixing or reducing noises like a sneeze, a cough, a click or tap, or paper rustling, without noticeably affecting the main audio.

Unfortunately for me, I got the upgrade too soon and missed out on Spectralayers that was included in this latest deal of the year. Oh well, I have enough toys to keep me busy.

John CB