Purchase HELP!

SunshineDel wrote on 8/24/2021, 10:06 AM

This has got to be the stupidest company that I have ever dealt with! I have been trying to contact MAGIX off and on for months! I have owned and used Sound Forge Pro, Vegas Pro, and Acid Pro since Sony owned them! Since MAGIX took the product line over I don't even know what product works anymore. So, since I didn't have any luck asking MAGIX, I'm here with my questions! These are the two main tasks that I need. First I need a simple, light weight program capable of recording 1 to 32 tracks at once. Basically just a 32 track recorder. Second, and the only reason that I have ever use Vegas Pro, I need the Dolby 5.1 encoder! I have never worked with video in Vegas!

The question is: Of the three products that I own, is there one that will do what I need? I am retired and not a professional and have never made a dime from my music, just fun. I can no longer afford to continually update these programs, since what I need hasn't been updated in years. Thank You for any help and insight!

I run Windows, and PreSonus Studio One 5, as my home system. I'm looking for a Lap Top based light weight remote recorder and a 5.1 output encoder!

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SP. wrote on 8/24/2021, 10:14 AM

@SunshineDel

A laptop for recording 32 tracks at once? I would guess this needs a lot of horse power. Something like a MacBook Pro.

CubeAce wrote on 8/25/2021, 6:05 PM

@SunshineDel

Hi.

Are you only after recording audio as in a Digital Audio Workstation?

Are you only after recording one or two tracks of audio at a time?

Will it involve effects or using soft instruments?

Do you need to add a MIDI keyboard?

Will latency be an issue for you because getting a low working latency is about using dedicated ASIO drivers and possibly an additional sound card or external interface if using any type of MIDI controller or keyboard.

Will the tracks involve having audio files on them or just be hosting a virtual instrument?

Be aware that using samples that are bought or come with the software may not be royalty or copyright free and need additional payments for their use if uploaded anywhere onto the net. Costs may mount up quickly.

Be aware that like most editing software, it is often desirable to have the files in use within a project not on the main program C: drive but a secondary internal SSD.

If you have no need of video then don't buy a video editing package. If you are editing video with audio you will probably need quite a powerful desktop if you want to run 32 track of audio and edit video. Better to have a dedicated audio editing program to record and mix down on and then a cheaper Video editing package to edit video to the imported mix-down.

If you are trying to get individual video clips of people playing instruments to put into some form of collective effort, especially if you use mobile phone footage I would forget it before you even begin. The processing requirements would be enormous requiring serious processing power. It's not that it can't be done, it's just very, very expensive to do well or easily.

As for Dolby 5.1 encoding. Dolby has really shut down on non professional use over the last few years. Yes there are free downloads out there that end up being trials with limitations and a hefty price tag to buy and may only integrate into equally expensive software.

Even Adobe Premier no longer supports or has a licence for Dolby surround sound any more.

You may want to read this.

Ray.

 

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Windows 10 Enterprise. Version 22H2 OS build 19045.5011

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Asus ROG STRIX Z390-F Gaming motherboard Rev 1.xx with Supreme FX inboard audio using the S1220A code. Driver No 6.0.8960.1 Bios version 1401

Intel i9900K Coffee Lake 3.6 to 5.1GHz CPU with Intel UHD 630 Graphics .Driver version Graphics Driver 31.0.101.2130 for 7th-10th Gen Intel® with 64GB of 3200MHz Corsair DDR4 ram.

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1 x 250GB Evo 970 NVMe: drive for C: drive backup 1 x 1TB Sabrent NVMe drive for Operating System / Programs only. 1X WD BLACK 1TB internal SATA 7,200rpm hard drives.1 for internal projects, 1 for Library clips/sounds/music/stills./backup of working projects. 1x500GB SSD current project only drive, 2x WD RED 2TB drives for latest footage storage. Total 21TB of 8 external WD drives for backup.

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Running MMS 2024 Suite v 23.0.1.182 (UDP3) and VPX 14 - v20.0.3.180 (UDP3)

M Audio Axiom AIR Mini MIDI keyboard Ver 5.10.0.3507

VXP 14, MMS 2024 Suite, Vegas Studio 16, Vegas Pro 18, Cubase 4. CS6, NX Studio, Mixcraft 9 Recording Studio. Mixcraft Pro 10 Studio.

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Ram Acoustic Studio speakers amplified by NAD amplifier.

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SunshineDel wrote on 8/25/2021, 10:10 PM

Ray,
This is for my remote system and it has 32 mic inputs, but I have never used more than 20. I connect it via Thunderbolt and use the interface for a low latency headphone mix. This is only for remote recording, I do all of my mixing at home on my main system. I record bands in their practice place or a local club. If I use any samples, I make my own. I don’t do any video, but I have worked on mixes with over 100 tracks with plugins and haven’t experienced and problems. I bought Vegas Pro, only for the Dolby 5.1 encoder and the surround panner! But, I use my Surcode DVD-DTS encoder more now, because I think it sounds better. All of my surround mixes are for my personal use. I’m slowly converting all my 4-channel Reel-to-Reel tapes to digital, for ease of playback. At 70 years old, this is just my retirement hobby.

browj2 wrote on 8/26/2021, 9:10 AM

@SunshineDel

Hi,

Take a look at Samplitude Pro X and on either side, Samplitude Music Studio, Samplitude Pro X Suite. See here for the comparison table.

I don't know about surround sound.

The price of entry is high, so wait for a sale.

With Samplitude Music Studio, you can record up to 16 mono tracks or 8 stereo tracks simultaneously. With Pro X, I have no idea what the limit is, but it's high.

Try them out.

If you want a cheap older full version of Samplitude Music Studio, you have less than 4 hours to get it from Humble Bundle along with some other Magix programs and audio plugins - 36$ Cdn, about 30 USD.

John CB

John C.B.

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SunshineDel wrote on 8/26/2021, 9:48 AM

Channel limit makes this Samplitude Pro a non contender! Also, that special deal is offering outdated software that I already own. Thanks for the input though.

johnebaker wrote on 8/26/2021, 11:21 AM

@SunshineDel

Hi

. . . . . Channel limit makes this Samplitude Pro a non contender . . . .

i think you are looking at the wrong product specs - Samplitude Pro X functions here state 256 physical inputs with up to 999 tracks.

. . . . This is for my remote system and it has 32 mic inputs,. . . . it via Thunderbolt and use the interface for a low latency headphone mix . . . .

What system is this?

John EB
Forum Moderator

 

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SunshineDel wrote on 8/26/2021, 11:53 AM

My system is based around MOTU 1248/24Ai/24Ao, with a couple of Focusrite Platinum Octopre's for mic pre's. Yes, I see that the new Samplitude Pro X has enough inputs. It appears that the link that I looked at was for an outdated version. I just got PreSonus Studio One, If that doesn't work out I will give Samplitude a try.

CubeAce wrote on 8/27/2021, 1:37 PM

@SunshineDel

Hang on to your Surcode DVD-DTS encoder for as long as you can because as far as I know all DTS convertors from third party vendors no longer exist.

If you can't get along with PreSonus or Samplitude. Try the free trial version of Reaper. Compared to it's peers it is quite cheap.

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Windows 10 Enterprise. Version 22H2 OS build 19045.5011

Direct X 12.1 latest hardware updates for Western Digital hard drives.

Asus ROG STRIX Z390-F Gaming motherboard Rev 1.xx with Supreme FX inboard audio using the S1220A code. Driver No 6.0.8960.1 Bios version 1401

Intel i9900K Coffee Lake 3.6 to 5.1GHz CPU with Intel UHD 630 Graphics .Driver version Graphics Driver 31.0.101.2130 for 7th-10th Gen Intel® with 64GB of 3200MHz Corsair DDR4 ram.

1000 watt EVGA modular power supply.

1 x 250GB Evo 970 NVMe: drive for C: drive backup 1 x 1TB Sabrent NVMe drive for Operating System / Programs only. 1X WD BLACK 1TB internal SATA 7,200rpm hard drives.1 for internal projects, 1 for Library clips/sounds/music/stills./backup of working projects. 1x500GB SSD current project only drive, 2x WD RED 2TB drives for latest footage storage. Total 21TB of 8 external WD drives for backup.

ASUS NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 12GB. nVidia Studio driver version 560.81 - 3584xCUDA cores Direct X 12.1. Memory interface 192bit Memory bandwidth 360.05GB/s 12GB of dedicated GDDR6 video memory, shared system memory 16307MB PCi Express x8 Gen3. Two Samsung 27" LED SA350 monitors with 5000000:1 contrast ratios at 60Hz.

Running MMS 2024 Suite v 23.0.1.182 (UDP3) and VPX 14 - v20.0.3.180 (UDP3)

M Audio Axiom AIR Mini MIDI keyboard Ver 5.10.0.3507

VXP 14, MMS 2024 Suite, Vegas Studio 16, Vegas Pro 18, Cubase 4. CS6, NX Studio, Mixcraft 9 Recording Studio. Mixcraft Pro 10 Studio.

Audio System 5 x matched bi-wired 150 watt Tannoy Reveal speakers plus one Tannoy 15" 250 watt sub with 5.1 class A amplifier. Tuned to room with Tannoy audio application.

Ram Acoustic Studio speakers amplified by NAD amplifier.

Rogers LS7 speakers run from Cambridge Audio P50 amplifier

Schrodinger's Backup. "The condition of any backup is unknown until a restore is attempted."