Please rework the proxy generation.

Former user wrote on 11/24/2022, 10:32 AM

Hey,

I have been using Magix for many, many years now, (since 2007)

And it has always been all I need for my editing.
But I am so done currently with Pro X.

I work in the video game industry as a cinematic artist, meaning most I do is all done in engine and some effects are done in post. This way I am pushing myself to make it look even better in the source files then rather trying to add all good looking things outside.

Previously proxy generation worked all fine, but since the last update on Pro X I'm running constantly into bottlenecks when it comes to other aspect ratios on source materials besides 16:9 .
I am using most of the times the Lagarith lossless coded, pretty neat codec for as the name says lossless compression.

I am running a well suited system with a AMD Ryzen 5 5600X, 32gb 3600 ram and a RTX 3070. Running these clips in realtime is not an option, it stutters heavily.

Lets talk about the proxies.
The system on how proxies are generated is absurd.
It triggers the generation on a 1920x1080 16:9 clip, but NOT on a 3840x1646 cinemascope clip.
One simple question. WHY? It suddenly does again on 3840x2160 resolution.
Same codec, same scene, same frame rate. Yet Magix refuses to generate a proxy file.

That is number one of three things I want to talk about.
The other topics are updating proxies and export.

First export, because updating is building upon that.

Why the heck is magix using the proxies for its export? Who thought, "yeah we gonna make it so it uses the low res, low fps files for the exported video"? It just doesn't make any sense. Everytime I want to export the final video I have to go to the folder of each source clip and delete them so it doesnt use those.

Then, we have the updating. Lets say you have a mix of clips in your timeline. Some are MP4 with suitable specs and dont need proxies, some are avi with heavy codecs and need them.
So, you have just delete the proxy files for a full export, but you need to change something, oke lets regenerate them, go to the project settings, let it look through the video, it finds that you can create proxie files. Good.
You click ok and woosh, "No proxie files needed for this clip, skipped" probably one of the mp4 clips, no deal, but no it cancels the whole process and doesnt just skip the file that doesnt need a proxy.

So in the end its not even possible to regenerate proxies easily with just reopening the project settings if your project has files in it that dont need them.

 

This is overall the worst thing that has happened to me using Pro X for all the time and I hope that the system gets a rework at least on the next version (X14).

 

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emmrecs wrote on 11/24/2022, 12:15 PM

@Former user

These are user to user forums without any input from any member of Magix staff so, unfortunately, it is highly unlikely that any developer will see your post, sorry.

You need to either, create a Support Ticket by following the Support link in the header of any forum page (do go carefully through each subsequent page and always choose the option to "Ask Support") or, you could email infoservice@magix.net and ask that your thoughts be passed to the developers.

Since you mention towards the end of your post the next version (X14), are you aware that VPX14 is the current version, released some months ago?

Jeff
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Former user wrote on 11/24/2022, 1:36 PM

Since you mention towards the end of your post the next version (X14), are you aware that VPX14 is the current version, released some months ago?

Absolutely not, another thing thats just....
You only see "Pro X " and not "Pro X 14" or something
im on Version 19.0.2.155, thats all i can tell from the "about Magix" tab.

However...im going to write them...thanks.

emmrecs wrote on 11/24/2022, 1:43 PM

@Former user

VPX14 is version 20. Its latest release build is 20.0.3.176. My workscreen, upper left corner, clearly shows:

Your version 19 is therefore one full version release behind! Have you not been receiving emails from Magix inviting you to update? I know I have, even for some months after I actually did update!

Jeff

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CubeAce wrote on 11/24/2022, 2:01 PM

@Former user

Hi.

By your description I'm assuming you are generating proxies by using the pre-render option rather than opting to create proxy files when importing clips.

You can force a proxy render by using the range markers to select a section of the video and press the lightning symbol. You will then be given the option of choosing auto or range. Select range and the proxy is created within the range markers. If you later change something and have several sections using proxy files you can range just the one you adjusted and pre-render again or let it redo 'All'. Unfortunately on my system at least, using VPX 14, the creation of pre-rendering a section makes no difference at all to the playback smoothness.

However, you appear to be on a much earlier version where it should still be working and choose your preferred proxy settings.

 

Ray.

 

 

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Former user wrote on 11/24/2022, 4:47 PM

@Former user

VPX14 is version 20. Its latest release build is 20.0.3.176. My workscreen, upper left corner, clearly shows:

Your version 19 is therefore one full version release behind! Have you not been receiving emails from Magix inviting you to update? I know I have, even for some months after I actually did update!

Jeff

Nope, nothing, doesnt even show me that i can update to X14 when im doing an update check. Bought the last version less then a year ago....
I don't see a reason to go to X14 from what I can see nothing much has changed and I dont want to go through the bugfest of loosing all my plugins again. Which i already lost half from updating an older version to X13. It is mental how you have some of your additional plugin packages linked to a specific version.
Thread closed, devs are not here, that was the whole point in the beginning.

johnebaker wrote on 11/24/2022, 5:11 PM

@Former user

Hi

. . . . I am running a well suited system with a AMD Ryzen 5 5600X, 32gb 3600 ram and a RTX 3070. Running these clips in realtime is not an option, it stutters heavily. . . .

With an RTX 3070, from what you have described of the files, it should not have any issues with them.

Are the drivers up to date - the latest version is 526.98 (31.0.15.2698) ?

. . . . I do is all done in engine and some effects are done in post. . . . .

Which effects are you using in post?

Download and install MediaInfo and analyse one of the video clips that stutters and post the results, see this tutorial on how to setup MediaInfo and analyse a video clip for all the data required.

. . . . It triggers the generation on a 1920x1080 16:9 clip, but NOT on a 3840x1646 cinemascope clip. . . . .  

The proxy files I have are 960 x 540 whether created from a 3840x1646 cinemascope clip or 4K UHD 3820 x 2160 clip.

. . . . Everytime I want to export the final video I have to go to the folder of each source clip and delete them so it doesnt use those . . . .

Unless you are creating DVD discs (720x 576 or 720 x 480), proxy files are not used for exporting, the original files are used.

From the manual p213 -: 'Use proxy files during rendering: If you want to burn your HD material to DVD'. . .

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