@Zek

Hi and welcome to the forum.

. . . . What I was trying to do was open up MMM, overload the program by just adding in plugins and vst to see where the limit is and it crashes around the 1500-2000 Gb of memory range. . . . .

Just how much of an overload did you put on Music Maker (MMM) and how - a screenshot would help?

John EB
Forum Moderator

@SP. I thought 32 bits can go up to 4 Gb?

This depends on the operating system. On the usual consumer Windows version this doesn't work.

All processes (for example, application executables) that are running under 32-bit versions of Windows are assigned virtual memory addresses (a virtual address space), ranging from 0 to 4,294,967,295 (2*32-1 = 4 GB), regardless of how much RAM is actually installed on the computer.

In the default Windows configuration, 2 gigabytes (GB) of this virtual address space are designated for the private use of each process, and the other 2 GB is shared between all processes and the operating system. 

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/2160852/ram-virtual-memory-pagefile-and-memory-management-in-windows

@SP. ah I see

@johnebaker

Here is what I did, so I got some VSTs and I have plugins from the MAGIX store. I loaded the plugins from magix store and I was able to fit around 13 instruments which is not bad. Then I switch over to overloading it with VSTs and I was only able to fit 5 instruments. That when I thought maybe it's the VSTs' design that's causing a big problem because whenever I want to load in a tuba, I have to pick the brass and then tuba, but default instrument in brass is also loaded so I'm loading 2 instruments even thought I only want to use the tuba and not whatever the default brass is. But MMM does not seem to get rid of the default one so it is taking up ram for no reasons.

@Zek

Hi

. . . . I have to pick the brass and then tuba, but default instrument in brass is also loaded so I'm loading 2 instruments even thought I only want to use the tuba and not whatever the default brass is . . . .

Which VST is this, and can you post a screen shot of the '2 loaded instruments?

John EB

Hi all,

at first i am sorry if this issue is already somewhere solved or answered on this forum. But i did not find it. I have same "out of memory issue"

My computer:

Windows10 64 bit

80GB free on disk space

I am using external sound card Audient ID4

I am using this PC only for the music. I turned off all programs which are running on the behind and only what is necessary is runnning

When i just open MMM with no project and load there empty VST i can upload many of them (more than 20). I do not try to add more cause i think do not need it.

Then i create a track. It has only 3:22 minutes with 6 VST (no FX). I can work with them and listen them.

But MMM does not allow me to add another intrument or to add some FX. And still more than half of the capacity of the RAM is available. I know that MMM is 32 bit and wokring with 4GB RAM.

When i want to add another VST or FX, sometimes MMM just collapse, and sometime it shows different meassages: "ogg file not a forbis file", "unknown VITA", "not enough RAM available", "error...new project chunk"

Strange is that it allows me to add to this project WAW (WAW created from same track which is generated by MMM) - even 4 times. I can listen them all, also with all VST with no problem.

I do not think that better computer (RAM, or processor or more space disc will help)

Is it something with combination of VITA instruments?

Can i somehow improve it and get more from MMM, or i am on border of the MMM potentiality?

I like MMM and i used to work with this software. But i really need more. Thank you for any advice

It is a Windows limitation that you can't use all 4 GB of RAM in a 32 bit application. If Music Maker isn't made explicitly large-address-aware by the programmers than it cannot use more than 2 GB on Windows.

See here for details: https://docs.microsoft.com/de-de/windows/win32/memory/memory-limits-for-windows-releases

And 2 GB are just theoretically usable. It is more likely to only use around 1.4 GB to 1.8 GB, which you already use. Therefore it runs out of memory.

It could be a good idea to export all tracks that are already done together to a single WAV-audio file and use this WAV file in your project instead of several tracks with instruments and effects. This will save a lot of memory.

It means i can do nothing to improve it :( Export to WAWs or another formats i can do, but is really time consuming if i want to change something in each instrument (notes, or some another settings).....thank you anyway

Something strange i must add to this....When i opened this project and i deleted 5 VST (so in this project stayed only one VST) and i wanted to add second VST, "the out of memory message" pop up again.

It is very strange, I do not know how, but it looks like MMM has in memory, that this project was already somehow overloaded with memory. Maybe somewhere in the backup is saved some history and this occupy the memory?

Is it somehow possible to copy the VST track from one project to new project. When i have opened two times MMM it is not possible to do it with CtrlC CtrlV. Is there some another option how to do it? Maybe this will free some space on the memory? Thank you

I don't think that is possible. Music Maker is really usefull to create quick song sketches/Ideas with loops with the help of the songmaker functionality. I personally think that doing anything else in this software will end up in more work than doing it in Samplitude Music Studio or Samplitude Pro X.

Even Samplitude Music Studio, which is cheaper than Music Maker Premium, has more features and is 64 bit. And it can open Music Maker MMM Projects. And you can copy and past tracks in it. It is a way better option to use it, if you are doing more than just chaining loops together.

OK, and please, when i already buy some VST instruments through MMM, can i used them also in Samplitude? Thanks.

ah....i am reading on MAGIX website that yes.....

You can also activate the Music Studio serial number inside Music Maker and get all Vita intruments that came with Music Studio inside Music Maker. This does not work with the ProX serial.

I would install all instruments through Music Maker and then use them in Music Studio. If I remember correctly, when you install instruments with Music Studio it will uninstall all identical Music Maker instruments and then you can't use them inside Music Maker anymore and get error messages.

This is a little bit messy. But when you are downloading all instruments and loops only through Music Maker you should be able to use them in both programs without these problems.

Thank you,

one more question to "MMM memory usage". Please do you have some hints about the setiings of the MMM as program itself? Can i turn off some settings in MMM, some graphics, or something another what is running behind, what is not so necessary, to release some memory? Of course to do not influence the quality of sound. Thank you.

You need to remove instruments and tracks to free up memory. So the best trick would be to export multiple tracks that you have already finished as one single WAV file and then create a backup copy of your MMM project file and remove all exported tracks and import the WAV file to replace them. This will only use up as much memory as the WAV file is big. You can then continue to add new tracks and instruments.

@Lubomir-Rabatin

Hi

. . . . When i just open MMM with no project and load there empty VST i can upload many of them (more than 20). I do not try to add more cause i think do not need it. . . . .

I have tried to replicate this using your initial method and cannot repeat your issue, however I suspect that your mode of operation has confused MMM and is causing you further issues.

Try resetting the program - File, Settings, Reset program settings to default to clear the settings file of any errors - note this will remove any customisation eg folder paths etc that you have made.

Populate one track one at a time with an instrument - lay down the notes then move on to the next - I have done this up to 32 tracks with no issues.

. . . . Is it somehow possible to copy the VST track from one project to new project. When i have opened two times MMM it is not possible to do it with CtrlC CtrlV.. . . .

Yes it is, however not by the method you tried. You should have had a warning that Music Maker is already runnning - did you read all the message - it clearly states you may have issues, which I suspect has happened and compounded or started the other issues you are having.

Copy and pasting any object on the timeline must be done in the same instance of the program - copy the object then close the project and open/start another and paste the opbject where required.

HTH

John EB

Hello,

i am trying what we discuss above.....I convert each instrument to wav and then i just paste it to new project. But i have problem. I convert each instrument in 135 BPM, but when i paste it into new project, then MMM somehow adjust it to different BPMs. Please how can i have each instrument in 135 BPM? thank you.

...additional info to this

I am using MMM 2020 premium edition.....all the tracks were created in MMM 2020 in 135 BPM...then i convert them in WAV......then i just open new project and paste theese tracks from desktop to new project....and new project automatically select different BPMs to each tracks......why?.....please help....thank you.....