@Tony-Haskett

Hi,

Downgrading a UI to increase sales is an interesting marketing strategy. 

By that, I presume that you think that the UI of Magix Movie Studio is a downgrade from Vegas Movie Studio. I have both and I don't see what you mean. The Magix MS is UI superior to the Vegas MS IMHO and also has many more features than even Vegas has. John EB has mentioned a few. I have comparison images showing that Vegas MS and Magix MS are pretty much the same - 3 windows.

It was not a strategy. The Vegas development team dropped Vegas MS to concentrate all resources on Vegas Pro. Magix was caught by surprise and scrambled to create an alternative for Vegas MS that would be an improvement. Thus, Magix Movie Studio.

The Vegas MS has a few minor features not available in Magix MS, some because the work flow is different, others that have a workaround, and a couple that would be nice to have.

Some other features not mentioned by John EB except for the first one that I'll add to:

• Multiple Timelines - call Movies - copy paste between them, export them as a single movie project file to be opened separately or in another project, open more than one project in a project - just adds movies, for DVD/BR will be separate Movies and each can have chapters (Video Pro X allows nesting Movies as objects)
• Copy/paste/save/load effects, titles, transitions
• Apply transitions and some other effects to other selected objects, a range, all or all on a track
• Zooming out of the Preview Monitor to see where objects have moved to outside of the window - i.e. zoom into an event/object with Vegas and you can't zoom out of the preview monitor to see the actual object with its handles - I did a tutorial on this
• Audio - you can apply curves (envelopes) like audio, panning and some other effects to objects, not just on tracks
• Effects - Bezier curve smoothing for keyframes
• Audio - transient detection (for music) with snap markers added
• External audio editor - Music Editor 3 comes with the program and can be change to the more powerful Sound Forge Audio Cleaning Lab 3 (4 doesn't work)
• Snap markers for lining up objects
• Storyboard and scene overview modes in addition to Timeline mode (storyboard is fairly new to Vegas Pro)
• External Photo editor - Photo Designer 7 or change it to PhotoShop or PaintShop Pro if you have them
• Content - much, much more in the way of templates for Titles, Transitions, Design Objects
• Content - 3D titles made with 3D Maker 7 that can be purchased as extra for modifying templates or creating new 3D text
• Content - Intros/Outros
• Movie Templates of various durations, some from 30s to 180s- with Title, Intro/Outro and music, template placeholders, completely modifiable
• Movie Looks - 20 basic looks, you can add LUTS
• Integrated with Xara Designer Pro X/Photo & Graphics Designer - to create static and animated overlays/masks - Xara is a separate purchase and there are presently some bugs that can be worked around
• Audio content, including Wizards Sound Track Maker and Slideshow Maker with adjustable music, plus some sound effects
• Wizard - Travel Maps - this alone is worth the price of admission and doesn't need to be just mapping but can be used for animating a line on an image
• DVD/BluRay creation with modifiable templates
• OFX and Plugins - some come with Platinum or Suite
• Share - with Music Maker for dubbing and adding your own music
• Synchronize (align) audio objects with another one - using the audio of video clips and/or audio files

Undoubtedly there are more that I have not mentioned.

EDIT: I added one more to the list.

John CB

I don't know if Magix was caught by "surprise" by the Vegas development team when they decided to concentrate on Vegas Pro (since they are the parent company) instead of having both Vegas Pro and Vegas Movie Studio. But the users certainly were....

There are advantages and disadvantage to both software. If you've edited in the past on a timeline that edits the way the professionals do, where the overlays are just that, laid over the video, then you will have no problem. If you've edited with Vegas Movie Studio, you will feel right at home with Vegas Edit. Obviously, Vegas Edit has more editing features than Vegas Movie Studio. Since I come from editing this way going back to Premiere 6, it's easy for me. It's a matter of personal preference, and what you are accustomed to.

I could mention the advantages of Vegas over Magix Movie Studio and Video Pro X, but then it becomes a "mine is bigger than yours" type of post. One thing for sure, OFX plugins work as they should with no delay or problem in Vegas. That includes BorisFX, NBFX, and others. Can't say the same about MMS or VPX.

But Vegas does come with LUT's (and there are zillions of free ones out there), a far better color grading panel (if you are into grading), built in DAW (Vegas started out as such), Storyboard (maybe fairly new, has been there for over 4 years), you can choose your preferred audio editor (me Sound Forge Pro), VST3 support, Sonicfire Pro/Smartsound plugin, etc....

It's best you download a free 30 day version of Vegas (limited in duration of export and some features might not be included because they have to be paid for), or any software before you buy. That way you will know for yourself what you prefer. You will find Vegas strangely familiar.

As for me, I have both Vegas Edit (with lots of OFX working plugins), Movie Edit Pro 2022 and Video Pro X12. I advocate using the right tool for the right job.

Oh, you should be able to open your old VMS projects (sans special effects/transitions/etc) in Vegas.

@browj2 I beg to differ on your list above, as @Reyfox says I don't want to make this a pissing contest but you've mentioned Vegas MS &! Pro together so you're insinuating that 'Vegas' doesn't have what you have listed. I would say apart from Templates Vegas has almost All you have mentioned.

Along with what @Reyfox mentioned Vegas has nested timelines that do work & update the main timeline, they're almost as easy as MMS +Movies, it does have timeline markers that media snaps to, it has 'Copy/paste/save/load effects, titles, transitions', It has Bezier curves for effect's keyframes, it has a zoom window, as for External Photo editor - Happy otter scripts (free) will open a pic in any photo editor chosen & update the pic on the timeline. 3D - Vegas has 3D XYZ SPR adjustment, only half my OFX plugins will work in MMS but all work in Vegas..

I don't know about VMS, that's now defunct so can't comment or compare, MMS does have lots of templates but I've never used them, it does have a few features that i do like, I like the Apply transition to al.. etc. Exporting time is better for basic film edits but it has less export options then Vegas & as the recent benchmark tests have shown I'm not sure MMS is better for exporting some graphics.. I bought Vegas simply because I wanted to upgrade from MMS & for my OFX plugins , number of tracks is unlimited, it also has Parent/Child options, grouping tracks, Adjustment tracks, track composite options,

I pretty much I know all about MMS, 80-90+%, (what i can remember anyway 👴🙃), but there's still loads I don't know about Vegas, I seem to learn new stuff all the time, therefore in my opinion MMS isn't superior to Vegas Edit/Pro,

PS I'm not defending Vegas as such because it pisses me off for a few reasons, mainly crashing but I can't stand by & read a comment that is lets say ignorant or out of date. no offence meant.

@Former user I have VMS 16 Platinum. I opened it once and uninstalled. It's Vegas but with a lot of the editing features missing. Vegas can be overwhelming with all the options, and VMS was for those not looking for "ultimate" control, but once you get used to all the options, you can't go back. I guess the same could be said about the difference between MMS and VPX, especially if you started with VPX.

You are right about MMS and VPX having lots of templates to choose from. And while I don't use templates often, it's nice to know they are there and will save time in editing. While I haven't touched Travel Maps, it's on my "to do" list. Vegas no longer has a DVD/Bluray burner. I do have DVD Architect, but I haven't burned a DVD in years.

Exporting speeds I can't comment on. But they have never really been a measure that I go by. If anything, how much longer does one export take than another? I remember waiting overnight for exports to happen hoping when I wake up, the computer had not crashed. So anything within a few minutes is more than acceptable.

In the end, editing software is a tool only as good as the person using it. Unless someone is using "canned" effects from an editor, I don't know how anyone can say what program edited what video.

@Reyfox Yep, I am loyal to MMS, I've renewed it every yr since 2004-ish but there was a point where i wanted more & so Vegas was bought.. but like i say I'm not defending Vegas, I've been paying for Adobe After Effects for a yr-ish because of Vegas's lag & crashes. So now I still use MMS as my basic, reliable, very very rarely crashing, fast exporting editor & AE for my OFX effects, but I like to keep an eye on Vegas the best I can because slowly n steadily it is improving,

@Former user

Hi,

The list was not intended to be a comparison but to demonstrate main things that MMS has that VMS likely did not have, not what Vegas Pro has. I was not comparing MMS to Vegas Pro. I don't think that there are any Vegas Pro users coming to MMS.

I did mention that VMS has some features not in MMS, did I not? They should be identified and, where useful, added to the wish list. I would like to be able to add VST effects to objects directly, as well as indirectly which is the current case.

The point is that there have been a lot of incorrect things said about MMS on the forums and users think that they are getting less with MMS than what they had with VMS. MMS is a consumer-oriented program as was VMS. I am trying to point out what you get that you likely did not have in VMS.

I only mentioned Vegas Pro in passing on two points:

• Zooming out of the Preview Monitor - as far as I know, you still cannot do this in Vegas Pro
• Storyboard mode - I think it was added to Vegas Pro in version 19. I haven't checked 18 and I'm fairly sure that it was not in VMS. Storyboard mode in MMS is very useful for new users, those with simple needs and those who build the timeline first and do detailed editing later.

I should not have mentioned OFX and Plugins because, as far as I know, they were available in VMS as well. It's just that Suite comes with some that are new and were not, obviously, in VMS as they didn't exist, Mercalli 6 for example.

Did VMS actually have Bézier curve capability?

...as for External Photo editor - Happy otter scripts (free) will open a pic in any photo editor chosen & update the pic on the timeline

Did VMS have this? It is built into MMS and has been for as long as I remember.

Vegas has nested timelines that do work & update the main timeline, they're almost as easy as MMS +Movies,

Not in VMS and not in MMS, as I pointed out. However, I disagree with you on this point as it is much easier to have multiple timelines within a project for nesting, amongst other reasons. Vegas does not have nested timelines, it has nesting - you import an external project onto the timeline as an object - that is not a timeline. In VPX, you "import" a Movie from within your project to another Movie and it becomes an object. If you have to modify it, it's already open in your project. I use multiple timelines in almost every project that I do for various reasons, almost never to do with nesting. The other points that I indicated, like opening another project into the current one is still valid. I did not mention exporting movies to be used in other projects. There are some other things that one can do, but I'll do a tutorial on this some day.

If you go through my list, point by point, you will see that there is almost nothing on the list that was in VMS.

So, if you are a VMS user considering upgrading and you have a choice, the above is a list of what MMS has to offer that is additional to what was there. You can look at these and then look at Vegas to see what is there and compare, and compare the prices. My experience with Vegas Pro is very limited.

You should determine whether or not you prefer the features and content listed above or the advanced editing features of Vegas Pro.

One other thing that I missed on the list is the Store. Laugh, but for the consumer audience, Magix offers a lot, especially in the way of Songs and additional templates.

As for the Movie/film templates, I don't often use them as they are, but I do break out the elements like music and some effets. For the consumer type user, they are interesting as they guide you through the process, and then you can edit them as you wish in great detail. To my great surprise, everytime that I tried to use one, I found that I was lacking in what I had filmed - extreme closeups, closeups, etc.

@Reyfox

I would like to see a listing comparing Vegas Pro to Video Pro X. Keep in mind that Vegas Pro is intended to be for the professional user, VPX the enthousiast to Pro user.

Given the way that dropping VMS was handled, it would seem that Magix was informed when it came close to when users would be expecting a new version. The solution was quick and dirty. If it had been planned well in advance, Magix would likely have had the time to create a better alternative and, hopefully, better marketing. That said, they still have not made MMS capable of importing more detailed VMS projects.

You are comparing MMS to Vegas Pro, which was not my intention.

But Vegas does come with LUT's (and there are zillions of free ones out there)...

Did VMS come with LUT's, I also mentioned Looks templates, which are, in effect LUT's.

...a far better color grading panel (if you are into grading),

What about in VMS vs MMS?

built in DAW (Vegas started out as such),

I have seen that so many times that I think that I must be able to use VST instruments and edit MIDI in Vegas. Missing in action? Otherwise, there is little in Vegas that is not in MMS/VPX on the audio side, but I would like to see a comparison. VPX/MMS is missing the fancy audio meter and I do hope that one is added soon, like in Sound Forge Audio Studio. However, I use the free YouLean Loudness Meter 2 which is better as it retains the loudness curves.

I hope that Magix will upgrade the audio in MMS/VPX to use VST3 plugins in the near future. It seems that VST3 plugins are starting to be more stable, although users on the Samplitude forum are still complaining about some of them.

And, adding a SmartSound plugin would be great.

John CB

@browj2 OK, I think @johnebaker's comment & list started it -

'Vegas Edit is Vegas Pro without a lot of additional features see the comparisons here.

However it is missing a lot of features which are in Magix Movie Studio (MMS) to name a few:'

Your following comment & list -

'Some other features not mentioned by John EB except for the first one that I'll add to:'

Implied no distinction between VMS & VP/VEdit, to a person like @Tony-Haskett looking to buy a new version might be left misinformed about the features Vegas Pro/Edit & Magix MS have.

@Former user

True, but the context was in the line before that:

The Vegas MS has a few minor features not available in Magix MS, some because the work flow is different, others that have a workaround, and a couple that would be nice to have.

Some other features not mentioned by John EB except for the first one that I'll add to:...

My intention was still about showing what MMS has that VMS did not. That Vegas Pro has more advanced features is a given, but it still does not have a lot of what MMS has. It does have other features, but does this user need them at the expense of features that he may need and use that are in MMS? We each have different needs.

John CB

@Tony-Haskett

Hi Tony.

Mileage probably varies from user to user depending on their individual requirements. I have no user preferences but will use what seems to work best for a given situation.

I have and use Movie Edit Pro (aka Magix Movie Studio) Video Pro X14, Vegas Movie Studio 16, Vegas Pro 18.

I find MEP and VPX easier to set up and use in general but the Vegas products balk less and cope with more varying file types.

I find the Vegas jargon more difficult to understand and the lack of adaptable tracks very annoying as is importing anything in general, but it handles mixing file types, resolutions, frame rates and audio tracks in the same project much better. Playback is always smooth but often at the cost of the preview monitors quality of resolution. It also takes me an age to set up any project to do what I want it to do. I personally haven't suffered any crashes with either Vegas program so far.

The MMS and VPX programs are easier to set up but often when dealing with higher resolutions and frame rates on my machine suffer playback lack of smoothness and require either proxy file or pre-render use. In general take me a lot less time to set up and use. Importing can be as simple as drag and drop. I find the layout and use of the program intuitive. Export times are faster for the most used file types but there are odd exceptions where Vegas beats them. I like I can display more project information more quickly and 'at a glance' in the track layout, mixer and effects sections including the key frame editor. Automatic object tracking seems worse than the Vegas offering and there are pros and cons in both directions when comparing one against the other.

Having come from MEP and VPX first I am finding the different workflow and terminology of Vegas difficult to adapt to. I assume you are finding it the same in reverse.

I do use MEP and VPX more than the Vegas offerings but sometimes I find Vegas may give me a better result depending on what I am doing so I can't really argue against either.

Ray.

The question is, does Vegas Edit 20 have the previous UI?

Yes.

Also, does Vegas Edit have unlimited tracks?

Yes.

Thank you @Nalmcruto! I will be purchasing Edit 20 and am looking forward to using it.

@Tony-Haskett Try it before buying it. https://www.vegascreativesoftware.com/us/free-trials/video-editor-free-download/

Here is a beginner's course :

@CubeAce, what is meant by adaptable tracks? As for the jargon, it's the language used in the professional editing world, so I can understand the confusion. I started with Premiere, and every editor afterwards used the same "language", no matter consumer or professional. It's like when I read a user of consumer editors saying "I downloaded the video to the program" instead of importing. I've learned to speak the consumer language too.

Importing in Vegas is drag and drop (always has been) from file explorer to bins, etc.. Use what works best for the user and project. Ease of use comes from familiarity, and usually, what someone has been using. When someone says that the software is more "intuitive", that only applies to that person and usually because of again, what they have used and are currently using. Myself, I can adapt to just about anything... well, almost. Nodes are not my thing (Resolve).

Setup... oh, MMS/VPX is way way easier. But, in the professional world, customization is a must, so yes, it might be more complex, but also, in reality, it's the same. You setup your Project settings and away you go. If you drag a clip to the timeline first, and it's a different setting, you will be prompted if you want to change to that. Familiarity.

Export times are dependent on so many variables, that the only way to compare is with files with nothing done to them. And as I wrote, I don't mind waiting a little longer if necessary. I don't solely just software on how fast it can export given that it's dependent on the user's hardware. To generalize would require the same project exported in both editors. Heck, my Resolve Studio 18 is slower in exporting than Vegas or MMS.

Timeline playback speed. Yeah, it's a sticking point with all editors, even Resolve Studio (the paid version). That is why even Resolve offers proxy editing. Hardware caught up to H264, and now we have HEVC, AV1, 4K+ resolution, etc., that hardware hasn't quite caught up to yet without proxies. I remember all the transcoding that had to be done no matter the editor when H264 was introduced.

One huge sticking point with MMS is the lack of 10bit support (at least with 2022).

@browj2 I am not privy to any 'behind the scenes' info on the demise of VMS, so really can't comment on the timing of the decision and the reaction of Magix. Everything is speculation, but the way Magix handled it was terrible.

Comparing current MMS with a 2 year old version of VMS isn't actually comparing apples to apples. And the OP @Tony-Haskett was asking about was the UI in MMS the same one used in Vegas, or does Vegas still uses the previous one, which he said he would gladly pay more for. And answer is yes, Vegas does use the same UI as before and is very similar to VMS. He also aske how many tracks you can have, (unlimited) which is more than most anyone will ever use.

The difference between Vegas Edit and Vegas Pro isn't "a lot". The difference is the inclusion of Vegas Stream, Soundforge and Primatte. I don't count the 30 days of ActionVFX. Primatte is the industry standard in keying. If you do a lot of this, yes, by all means go Pro over edit. But Vegas comes with chroma keyers. Soundforge we all know what it does. Unless you are doing "action" videos and need muzzle flashes, explosions, etc.. ActionVFX is useless. These addons might be worth the cost for some, but not for me. I already have Primatte (BorisFX Continuum Complete 2023) and Soundforge Pro. Oh, and lots of VFX from Humble Bundle. Vegas Edit serves me well.

As for a comparison. between VP and VPX? Going to each site and looking at Features can do a lot of that, albeit, it's not totally inclusive with everything. One difference is in what formats can be imported and exported. VST2/3, Smartsound, full OFX plugin support, in addition to the color grading panel. ACES versions, colors and view transforms for those that need it. Not me though. Scripting where you can write your own automated scripts if you have the skill. I don't, but people in the forum do and share. GL-Transitions where you can create your own transitions. Way above my pay grade, but have used some others created. AI generated effects, etc..

Either product will produce stellar video. The total customization, and better "fine tuning/tweaking" within Vegas is where to me, there is a difference. If one doesn't need ultimate control, one does not have to use it. But it's there. BRAW support is nice, but if you are shooting with Blackmagic cameras, you already have Resolve Studio. It's good for those that would rather edit with Vegas or have to edit that type of footage. Full official ProRes support (import and export) is nice.

@Reyfox

Hi.

If I can answer your questions a little out of order from the order you posted them.

I have no idea if the Vegas 'jargon' is the same in most other editors to MMS or VPX or not. I have not used any Grass Valley or BlackMagic Design editors but I know they are more flexible in their ability for file handling and Vegas is the same in that respect. With more complexity comes more ways of getting things wrong though. Export settings that can end up with a non functioning video file. Finding out how to connect an effect especially when layering effects. I have still to find an audio mixer that can be used within Vegas timeline. Only the sidebar controls.

Which brings me on to the flexibility of the track layouts. I find it quicker and easier to move sound or video files around in a project than it Vegas. To place audio and video on adjacent tracks if I need to. Visually this is easier for me to track and make alterations and automate. I agree it depends on an individuals own workflow and what they are used to. I find myself having to refer to the manual much more often for Vegas than VPX or MMS which I can normally work out visually more often. MMS and VPX allow me to more quickly adjust what I want to with a mouse. Want to adjust the project layout and I can just drag and resize any section. Want the monitor to give me a full sized view, just double click on the monitor. MMS does handle 10 bit files for import. You just can't export t 10 bit and I don't personally see that ever changing as it is one of the many dividing features between the various Magix programs. The files in another thread that consisted of security footage took over twenty minutes in VPX and MMS but in Vegas it took seconds. If that meant a project lasting a couple of hours we are talking possibly over a day to render in VPX or MMS as opposed to minutes in Vegas. The latest set of files I tried working with with 5K files and 10 bit files ran smoothly in Vegas but the quality of playback visually for any type of quality control was so bad it was difficult to determine how the end result would look with an effect applied. My base setting for a project was far from what was needed and took me a long time to figure out whereas with MMS / VPX the files were almost ready to go and the project needed little in the way of tweaking to get a much better visual inspection of the files playing.

As I said I don't have preferences, I just want to see which is best suited to the job in hand and I can work with, with the least hassle.

Ray.

@CubeAce

Ray, thanks for your reply. I still don't quite understand what you mean about flexibility of track layouts. It's easy to place video and audio on adjacent tracks. I do it all the time. And the full waveform in Vegas is "clearer" than VPX/MMS to me and my aging eyes. All the "drag/drop, resize any section" is easy for me to do in Vegas. It's familiarity with the software. Yes, you will have to spend more time with a more complex editor. Ever try Resolve? But that's the nature of the "beast" for any pro editor.

Timeline playback is where Vegas does need work. But knowing how to use the software, you get a very good visual in the Preview monitor. There is RAM playback for one. It works, but I use other ancillary software to see what I want. And since I can usually edit in "Full" with any of the Preview modes, I see what is necessary. It's about the only thing I can gripe about with Vegas.

Project settings aren't necessarily complex unless someone wants to work in ACES or other settings. Placing any clip on the timeline first, you will be prompted, just like in VPX if you want to use that as your working resolution. In the Project Properties, there are 2 settings that one has to change. Full Resolution rendering quality from Good to Best, and Resample mode to Disable resample. That's it. And then there are proxies. Most software have them for a reason. Yes, it takes more time, but the editing experience is better.

Someone coming (like the OP) from VMS to Vegas Pro will feel at home. Just like someone going from MMS to VPX. The transition is less painful. Me? I like the mental workout video editing gives me. I also like to see what else is out there and how they work. I'm always willing to learn something new.. up to a point.

Audio... I have an option to open any audio in Soundforge Pro or any other editor within Vegas and use the VST's or built in adjustments. I've looked at Fairlight in Resolve. Nope, not for me, but it's there if I need it.

We use what we are comfortable with. It took me 2 weeks to grasp Vegas, and I was off and running....well not running, more like toddling. 5 years later, still learning. With more complexity, you can get things wrong, or very very right because you have the complexity. It is a double edge sword for sure. But I've never gotten anything wrong yet. Once you have the basics in Vegas (like any software), you decide how far you want to go. As I said, with a well edited video, no one has any clue what software was used.

@Reyfox

Hi.

I've still got to figure out after all this time how to get a Vegas project view

To look more like this so I can see all the tracks in play at a glance.

Or even moving a section to a second screen to be able to expand the view.

I've yet to figure out or be able to get to a part of the manual to explain to me how to expand just one section to full screen and back. In VPX / MMS this is easy and quick via the use of the expand icons in the top right corner of each section or for the monitor view a simple double click.

The same goes for the key frame editor. Double click a listed effect brings that effects controls as well as where it is found in the list of effects. If there is a way do this in Vegas I have yet to find it. I can't even find the manual unless I have Vegas open. All my other pdf manuals I can open from my desktop.

I was up and running with my initial purchase of MEP within hours. After having Vegas for over a year now I still feel like I am at a crawling stage.

You are right though, it depends how you get introduced to video editing and past experience. For me MEP looked more similar to Photoshop in in the way it used it's layers and graphically looked more like the Steinberg offerings.

As for the waveforms. I find both easy to look at. Vegas gives you a line rather than a bar representing the bit depth. Both expand to a usable time snapshot beyond which if expanded is of little use practically,

I had also said earlier I had not dealt with the Blackmagic Designs editor (Resolve) although I know of people who do due to their video camera needs. I do look at tutorials of other products to see if I can follow what is going on for ease of use.

Ray.

Three comments:

1. It's what you produce with your editor that ultimately matters
2. Magix, in my opinion, did not have to change the name of MEP to MS. Movie Edit Pro was well known by its name. What they did has cost them a lot of credibility
3. Does MEP/MS still not have a Project Media Pane or has that changed. The lack of one was a major hurdle for me when looking at MEP a few years ago. I've never used or tried a consumer editor, other than MEP, which didn't have one. The Project Media Pane and its customisable bins in VMS are the nerve centre of my projects.

@ericlnz

Hi

Your point 1 is spot on 👍.

Point 2 - I could only speculate on why the name change was made.

MMS does still have the Media pane and VPX also has the project folder pane as well as the option to create the equivalent to the Vegas bins - I believe @browj2 uses this more than I do, which so far has been never.

. . . . The lack of one was a major hurdle for me when looking at MEP a few years ago . . . .

I have used MEP since MEP 11 (2009) and the Media pane has always been there.

John EB

@CubeAce

Hi Ray

. . . . how to get a Vegas project view . . . .

Did you look up 'Windows Docking' in the manual/help?

When it says title bar it also means the tabs naming the panes.

John EB

@CubeAce

Hi Ray

. . . . how to get a Vegas project view . . . .

Did you look up 'Windows Docking' in the manual/help?

When it says title bar it also means the tabs naming the panes.

John EB

@CubeAce

Hi Ray

. . . . how to get a Vegas project view . . . .

Did you look up 'Windows Docking' in the manual/help?

When it says title bar it also means the tabs naming the panes.

John EB

@johnebaker

Hi John.

I have now thanks, but even trying to follow the instructions the only window I have managed to drag to another position so far and resize it is the Time Display. Everything else remains stubbornly in position or expands to full screen width but not height. I haven't been able to 'undock' anything else.

Ray.