this is a belarc dump of pc to jpg

i will try lighning symbol

i checked two videos on my desktop and both are 3840 x 2160

25 frames/sec

but 4k has 6152kbps and videos from my phone have 3100kbps and they play ok

no effects just video input and play

they are mp4

i should edit a little and output

if i play 4k video on laptop using vlc its not working to well

but if i drop them onto my nas and play on smart tv all good

i think laptop just to old for my modern cameras

i have a ssd drive with ample space and 16gb memory

win 10 64bit

thanks for help so far

its terrible when your phone can play it with no issues and your laptop struggles

and thats where your edit software is :-(

@spuddy13

Hi Brian.

Unfortunately the text on your images are too small for me to read. If I try to enlarge the image, the lettering gets blurry.

How many years old is the computer?

My processor came out in 2019 and is already beginning to show its age.

If you have a new phone then you have the latest processor but even the phone may struggle to edit such files as playing files and editing them are two completely different things to do requiring much more processing power.

Just be thankful you are using MP4 files as HEVC files are much more processor intensive to handle.

There is also proxy editing and preview rendering but results can be mixed and require additional steps and more disk space.

New cameras on the whole have been my main cause of needing to upgrade a computer.

Ray.

if i import in 4k and play on timeline i get the jitters

if i export as mp4 and at 3840 x 2160

25 frames sec

and rate of 6152kbps like original

then reimport mp4 i

ust created onto the

timeline it plays fine and quality ok

whats the diference between it and original

@spuddy13 Hi, even cut & enlarged that pic of your PC specs is pretty much impossible to read. You

These are your pics

A better picture would be if you right click on the taskbar at the bottom of your screen, Taskmanager - Performance, enlarge the window so it shows everything in the column on the left, click on CPU & share a pic like this.

You say the videos are MP4 but that doesn't tell us much, MP4 is just a container, a bit like a folder on your PC, within that MP4 container is a lot of information that may determine how well your videos play in Magix,

There's an App called MediaInfo, download it, it's free & a fast download with no added adverts or any of that rubbish. https://mediaarea.net/en/MediaInfo
After downloading, right click on the media file in your Windows folder, open MediaInfo, choose Text from the options at the top, Copy & paste the information in a new comment on here 👍

Like this

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Just be thankful you are using MP4 files as HEVC files are much more processor intensive to handle.

@CubeAce Hi, you keep writing this, MP4 can be either AVC or HEVC, the difference is how the information is compressed. If the OP has HDR turned on on the phone it will produce an MP4 HEVC, if HDR is turned off it will produce an MP4 AVC. @spuddy13 4K creates bigger file sizes, AVC although it is still used it is becoming dated, with bigger better high resolution video being created a new way needed to be found to compress that greater information for storage, so HEVC was developed, it compresses the info better & also at a better quality but some software isn't 100% compatible with it & it's also more stressful on PCs. Either HEVC & AVC can be in an MP4 container.

There's a very good chance your new drone footage is HEVC in an MP4 container, the MediaInfo would be good to know about that.

Ray,

my phones 5 years old but it needs replaced

and the bios and cpu of laptop is 2015

my laptop was ok till i got my 4k drone and video cammera this month

i retired so now its playtime

i will look at getting a new desktop and dual monitors for my editing

and i fancy one of these meta quest immersed vr stuff

i certainly don,t behave like a 63 year old retired person

thanks so much for your help tonight

appreciated

gid

i did the outputs

but the software does not do txt files

its 00:30 in uk

i will come back on with details tomorrow

thanks everyone for responses

@spuddy13

if i import in 4k and play on timeline i get the jitters

if i export as mp4 and at 3840 x 2160

25 frames sec

and rate of 6152kbps like original

then reimport mp4 i

ust created onto the

timeline it plays fine and quality ok

whats the diference between it and original

 

You are exporting H.264 MP4 (MPEG-4), H.264 is AVC, H.265 is HEVC, the difference is in my comment above, there's a fairly good chance your phone/drone footage is Variable frame rate which can be harder for an editor to work with, if the videos are also HEVC that adds extra pressure to the editor. When you export at H.264 it creates an MP4 AVC Constant frame rate video, AVC has been around for yrs & 100% compatible so along with the constant frame rate makes an easy to edit or playback video.

In basic terms -

MP4 HEVC Variable frame rate = bad

MP4 AVC Constant frame rate = Good.

gid

i did the outputs

but the software does not do txt files

its 00:30 in uk

i will come back on with details tomorrow

 

thanks everyone for responses

@spuddy13 I'm in the UK too, Leeds.

You choose Text from the options at the top of the window. I show it in the video.

@spuddy13

does anyone know what setting i could drop to on my laptop in the software to lose a little of the 4k jitters but still have a decent high quality video by the time i output finished product

Until you get your new machine, you can use Proxy editing (briefly mentioned by Ray).

Drag all your files onto the timeline, then go into the movie settings (key E). Click "Automatically create proxy files" and let Magix create the proxy files (this does take time and will consume about a 1/4 of the size of your original's extra disk space).

On the lightning bolt, right-click and tick "use proxy objects".

You can then edit in high speed with great responsiveness and still export in full quality.

@Former user

Hi Gid.

It is the act of dealing with the compression that makes the process more processor intensive that definitely makes the act of dealing with HEVC more processor intensive and difficult to deal with on any older system.

I do make that mistake and should be specific and say H264 easier to handle as opposed to H265 which is more difficult to handle and can cause problems and needs more processing power to handle.

It's just I never personally come across MP4 file containing HEVC as I have never owned a phone that produces them or owned a Go-Pro or cameras such as the Lumix series or drone (which is now new information to me and could possibly be shooting using HEVC) that can produce such files and tend to forget that MP4 can contain H265.

However if it is a DJI drone, most of their drones tend to mainly use H264 when shooting either MP4 or mov unless it is a DJI Mini 3 Pro 4K which can only use H265 when recording at 60fps. With most DJI drones you normally get an option to record and only produce files using H264 which for video editing would be a better choice in my opinion.

You do make one mistake yourself stating that HEVC encoded files will look better than AVC which is not true in itself. It is only true that the footage will look better for a given file size of video over the same length of time. HEVC can produce a smaller file size of equal or better quality over the same period of time than HEVC but allow the AVC file more bits to produce a larger file and quality could be equal.

There is also the question of the physical aspects of the tech shooting the files. More pixels will help produce a sharper image but will be noisier for a given ISO value in a given light situation, so a 10MP sensor can outperform a 40MP sensor with less data in a lower light situation. But I digress.

However @spuddy13 (Brian) stated that the rendered files were fine and not jittery which is not what tends to happen when exporting variable frame rate H265 footage from MMS. So I think in this instance variable frame rate is probably not the cause of the jittery playback but has a machine that is nearly nine years old and probably contains an even older processor. Probably using DDR3 memory and just plain not able to deal with 4K footage fast enough. Again, if it is a DJI drone then a file could probably have a bit rate of around 100mb/s

Certainly he is not going to gain any hardware acceleration from a processor that is using a GPU that is using an Intel® HD Graphics 4600 or older which could play 4K but probably isn't going to perform well with 4K footage in MMS 2023 unless the laptop also has an nvidia GeForce GTX 980M which by the sound of it, doesn't.

Ray.

@AAProds

Hi Al.

My personal experience using proxy files in VPX 14 is not helping to any greater extent with playback on my system, hence my comment on the results being variable. Pre-rendering works much better for me but any alteration to the editing means having to do another replacement pre-render and having to force the program that doesn't seem to think any part of my timeline needs pre-rendering.

MEP 2022 proxies seem smaller for a given file in the timeline and work better. For me at least, each progressive release of the Magix programs has left the use of proxy files less effective with each new release.

This is just my experience and why I have a reluctance to recommend it.

Ray.

Don't know what happened there, I edited my earlier post and then it reappeared here. Anyway, as I was saying...

@CubeAce

For me at least, each progressive release of the Magix programs has left the use of proxy files less effective with each new release.

Ray, I doubt it is the program changing. MXVs are MXVs are MXVs. Obviously, as computers become more powerful, the "need" or "effectiveness" of proxies becomes less. Certainly though, even on my machine, proxies perform visibly much better than the raw files, not that I "need" them (proxies, that is).

In @spuddy13's current situation, proxies would be a great benefit IMO.

i finaly got the time to take some image snaps

4k camcorder settings

4k drone settings

phone videos ok on edit as not 4k

videos from 10yr old panasonic video camera, ok on edit again

task mgr of 2015 laptop that was ok till i put 8k files in front of it

will print off all suggestions and try proxy suggestion

thanks everyone

@spuddy13

Hi

Have you posted the correct MediaInfo data for the 4K drone video?

What is the make/model of the drone?

If the data is correct then the video is not 4K, it is 720p 1280 x 720 and should not be causing any issues.

John EB
Forum Moderator

John EB

thanks for spotting that

i was unaware of this

i scanned another film and its 1280 x 720

heres the spec of the holystone 720e drone

Camera

Operating Frequency5.7~5.8Ghz

Lens Angle:FOV 130°

Adjustable Range:-90°~0°

Resolution in TF Card:3840 x 2160P

Resolution on mobile phone:Photo:1920 x 1080P / Video: 1280 x 720P

Live View Quality:4K@30fps

Supported TF Card:128GB (Not included)

but what i learned it sends the reduced resolution via wifi to phone but the 4k should be on the sd card on drone

i removed chip now but struggling to find the videos on the chip my laptop not mounting drive

so i put the reduced resolution on my nas to play videos on smart tv and thought it was 4k

cannot thank you enough

drone is 4k on sd card

its just the wifi copy to the monitor on phone that gets reduced

but i was unaware of this amd put reduced resolution copy on my nas for viewing on tv