Movie Studio 2023 and Next Gen Intel Graphics

AAProds wrote on 10/24/2022, 7:24 AM

I'm scoping my new desktop machine (can't cope with 5fps render rate any longer! 😀) and I'm specifically interested in CPUs and graphics. The latest blurb from Magix re MMS 2023 says:

Export twice as fast* on Intel systems equipped with an onboard GPU and an additional Intel GPU, thanks to Hyper Encode – that means you have more time to make movies. The next generation of processor technology is now fully supported thanks to our close partnership with Intel! Export times were twice as fast with an additional Intel Iris Xe Max (DG1).

* 47-second export time with a 2-minute 4K video on an ASUS Vivobook compared to 98 seconds with the previous version.

The first line makes sense. because, on the market here in Ozzie land, we have two Intel GPUs, both "arcs". But then the last few words mention the Iris Xe, which is a mobile graphics thingamajig (I can't work out whether it is integrated into the CPU or not). In any case it would seem irrelevant to a desktop system.

I wonder, therefore, whether the claim that it "encodes twice as fast" only applies to that Iris Xe or to the Arc GPUs as well.

Would I be better getting a hotrod GPU from NVidia?

Another corollary question I have: would I be better off spending more on a better GPU or more on a faster CPU (of course, with an iGPU) ie i7 with better GPU or i9 with lower spec GPU?

Thanks for your thoughts.

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CubeAce wrote on 10/24/2022, 8:13 AM

@AAProds

Hi Al.

I have been looking into this extensively. Yes you would need both an Intel Arc GPU and a 11th or 12th or 13th generation Intel GPU with an inboard Iris Xe or higher? to get the full experience. I can't find out what GPU the 13th gen has.

13th gen is beating the 12th gen processors by quite a margin in testing. Even the i5 is beating the older i9 12th gen in some tasks. These processors are somewhat more power hungry so better heat sinks and power supplies are needed.

13th gen can run with DDR4 ram if motherboard supports both DDR4 and DDR5 so a ram upgrade could wait but would impact performance.

However, some people testing these systems have found a 10th gen Intel processor (i7 or i9 with inboard graphics) coupled with an nvidia 3060 or 3070 is beating that combination for general video editing. And that combination is cheaper.

That could of course change when or if Intel release newer revisions of their graphics cards.

For pure CPU core performance though when using something like Neat video I'm not sure which way to advise.

In theory the 13th gen Intel CPUs seem to be leading the scoreboard but at additional, power consumption and heat output.

Ray.

johnebaker wrote on 10/24/2022, 9:15 AM

@AAProds

Hi Alwyn

Bearing in mind that HWA on works with

H.264/AVCHD, YUV 4:2:0, YUV 4:4:4, Lossless
H.265 (HEVC) 4K YUV 4:2:0, YUV 4:4:4, 4K Lossless
H.265 (HEVC) 8k
HEVC 10-bit
HEVC B Frame
AV1

I would be looking at a latest gen (12) Intel CPU, i7 or i9, with iGPU and a Nvidia 'hotrod'.

Until the Arc's have been tested in a real world environment with MMS/VPX they are a bit of an unknown and they do have a lot of ground to make up when compared to the latest Nvidia hotrods.

In the end it all comes down to how deep your wallet is.

John EB

CubeAce wrote on 10/24/2022, 2:52 PM

@johnebaker @AAProds

HI.

Things will apparently change again with Intel 14th gen CPUs. I think future proofing may be going out the window. The improvement on the 13th generation CPUs has been said to have been due to the higher clock speeds more than the chiplett design and the ability to run DDR5. But even the Intel efficiency cores are apparently quite powerful compared to earlier gen Intel CPUs. 13th gen CPUs are now out but in short supply.

Future proofing may have gone out of the window if it has actually existed any more in the past three years than before.

This is quite a good article on the 13th gen of Intel CPUs.

It gives you an idea of the shape of things to come.

Ray.

me_again wrote on 10/25/2022, 2:34 AM

@AAProds

I don't profess to know anything about CPUs, Arcs or RAM but I do know that when I put the GTX2060 card in my old system the speed improvement was really noticeable.

My son built my computer for me and, not knowing any other computer builders, he seems quite knowledgable. He normally builds gaming computers and so mine was a small departure for him.

I told him I wanted the latest one of these and the fastest one of those and the most efficient one of something else because i'd spent ages researching what (I thought) I needed. He looked at the list, frowned and gave it me back.

I wanted DDR5 Ram. He said that's wonderful, it's speedy on the bench test and is wonderful for playing the latest games but is expensive and overkill for what I needed. He got me 64Gb of DDR4 ram for the same price as 32Gb of DDR5.

I wanted water cooling. He said I didn't. He was right.

I wanted SSD drives. He agreed with that.

I did a quick 4K test this morning using a 2 minute clip with a stabiliser effect, a gamma change and a couple of zooms then encoded it to HEVC using MS's preset at 30 fps in 59 seconds (CPU 55c peak GPU49c constant). Without the edits it took 35 seconds. Adding NEAT Video (noise removal and a bit of sharpening) into the other effects it took 2 mins 37 seconds.

Probably none of this helps you decide what to buy but I will answer "Would I be better getting a hotrod GPU from NVidia?" with "it will certainly help a lot".

As John EB says "In the end it all comes down to how deep your wallet is". I gave my son a budget figure for the parts, based on research of what I thought I wanted and he built my system for £150 less - and it's wonderful to work with. An edited 10 minute VHS dub export is finished before I can make a decent cup of tea.

AndyW

AAProds wrote on 10/25/2022, 3:19 AM

Thanks everyone, I think I'll go the conventional route, 12th gen i7 and a nVidia GPU. I have a cheap 1050 here so I'll put that in first.

Looking forward to a speedy cup of tea!

me_again wrote on 10/25/2022, 3:43 AM

@AAProds

Glad you've come to a decision. Just one more thing.

Make sure your motherboard has BAR Support (i know, I'm none the wiser) because if you go for a Big Boy Nvidia card - I believe 30 series upwards - I read somewhere (probably here a few weeks ago) that BAR Support allows the Intel GPU and Nvidia GPU to work together to increase speed or something like that anyway. I'm sure the far more knowledgable people on here will put me right - I'm used to that.

I may be talking through my **** (i roll my R's and often talk through it 😁) but it's worth checking out.

AndyW

AAProds wrote on 10/25/2022, 4:00 AM

@me_again

https://www.nvidia.com/en-au/geforce/news/geforce-rtx-30-series-resizable-bar-support/

Thanks Andy! I do recall recently reading something from JohnEB about this BAR thingoh. Now I know.