Its very straight forward in MS 17 Platinum. You select the video track and choose Group > Remove From. That removes the audio from the video. Then select one audio track and choose Group > Remove From and it separates the two audio tracks. Can edit them independently then.

The Vegas line is too steep in price for what I do, which is occasionally posting 3 minute gaming videos on youtube. I will stick with 17 and be seeking a refund, even if it means a PayPal dispute. That upgrade prompt is misleading and you end up a product nothing like the one you are upgrading from and they throw a V logo on it to make it appear to be a Vegas product.

Thank you for your input. I wish I could afford Vegas because there are features I would like to have that 17 does not offer.

@RickJames-Bish

Hi Rick.

Yes I agree but you can blame Vegas developers for dropping MS and left the parent company to find a replacement at short notice. Magix was offering Vegas Edit at a very reasonable cross grade one off price just after they offered MS18 to MS 17 users. It may be worth getting into contact with Magix to complain about the missing function and see if you can't twist their arm a bit into letting you have that offer and getting a cheap deal on Vegas Edit.

Ray.

@CubeAce Why do you consider Magix needed to "to find a replacement at short notice". Especially when it isn't a replacement. It's an alternative.

@RickJames-Bish Your VMS17 won't stop working and should serve you for several years until it's left behind by technical advances requiring later codecs or GPU etc.

@RickJames-Bish @CubeAce

Hi,

I'm lost somewhere or I am not understanding something from Ray's reply.

In 2022 it puts the video in one column and then I have select to view video and audio on separate tracks, which is no big deal, however it only put a video and one audio row. 

Please, there are no columns in MEP on the timeline, unless you consider the header to be a column and the timeline another. I don't. Rows are referred to as tracks. Please use that term. Tracks are numbered and you can add a track name if you wish.

Two things:

1. Putting audio and video on separate tracks is my default, but not the default in MEP/MMS (Magix Movie Studio).

Simply open the Program settings, Video/Audio tab and uncheck Video/Audio on one track. From now on, they will be on separate tracks but grouped.

If you already have video/audio clips on one track, separate them using Ctrl+H.

If you want or need to ungroup the audio from the video, select the broken chain button in the button bar above the timeline or Shift+G.

If you want J and L cuts, see my tutorials on Everything audio and Fades and Transitions or hold down Alt and drag the end of the audio part (of a trimmed clip). No need to ungroup.

2. If you right-click the audio part of a VA object, you'll see this. Note the top lines:

If you have multichannel audio in a video clip, right-click the audio part and look at the top two lines in the image below. Not the same as the one above. Select the one that you want to get the audio on multiple tracks.

EDIT: for completeness, here is what I get, first with Display sound channels, then with Extract sound channels:

The multichannel file (actually 6-channel surround sound, I believe) is courtesy of John E. Baker.

Please let me know if this doesn't work for you and post on Dropbox or somewhere a short multi-channel file that we can try out.

To get a quick understanding as to how the program works, since it is quite different from Vegas MS, I suggest that you watch my tutorials on Basic Editing, Parts 1 and 2:

And to get a good understanding of audio in the program, watch my 2 tutorials on Everything Audio (Ray hasn't watched them yet):

John CB

I did watch your videos. Maybe I missed it, but I never saw where you put each audio source on a separate track. I also do not have the display sound channel and extract sound channels options pictured in your example. I do have the option to select audio track 1 or 2 as long as the audio and video are grouped. When I ungroup the audio and video, the menu to select audio track 1 or 2 is still there, but it is locked to the track I had selected when I ungrouped. There are two audio tracks present. I confirmed this by selecting each one then playing. When 1 is selected, track 1 is heard. When 2 is selected track 2 is heard.

@ericlnz

Hi Eric.

Simply because it is such an incomplete product for someone coming from MS not being able to import a complete project from a previous version. Something they are apparently 'still working on'. If this was a long term plan surely they would have completed such an important task before release.

@RickJames-Bish @browj2

What John has shown is only for a file that has a 5.1 surround encoded file. Each of those three sound tracks is still a two channel sound track and can't be split further into individual mono tracks within Movie Edit pro.

Ray.

So then I am assuming that MS 2022 Platinum does not have the ability to split the tracks like MS 17 did. I dug in fairly deep into the menus and documentation and never found a way to do it. I find the interface for 2022 to be less user friendly, even when it comes to exporting the video. I found it very easy to edit the output of the included presets in 17. The only thing I like about 2022 is it is using almost 100% of my GPU when I export and 17 seems to use CPU over GPU even though I have it set to hardware rendering.

@RickJames-Bish

I have a copy of MS 16 and I can't split the files in that either. I can only choose a channel so I would have to duplicate the track and then choose left for one track and right for the other.

Even though MS uses less resources than my copy of Movie Edit Pro 2022 (your MS 2022 equivalent) it will still export some projects faster. A lot depends on the power of the computer system with MS 2022. Earlier versions not so much.

As I said earlier, VPX can split stereo tracks into two mono tracks but Movie Studio 2022 and Movie Edit Pro 2022 can't at present. Both Magix and Vegas now seem to have reserved this function to their higher end editing packages. Not that Vegas now has anything at the lower end. I do understand what you are trying to do. You possibly are using two microphones for interviews or similar and want individual control over volume and placement. I'm equally sure Magix are aware of the situation choosing to keep that function to VPX, aimed at the more demanding user to help differentiate the two editors. The function may return in the next incarnation / update as a part of the integration and ability to open older Vegas projects in MS as promised by Magix.

It may be worth asking Magix directly.

Ray.

@RickJames-Bish

I have a copy of MS 16 and I can't split the files in that either. I can only choose a channel so I would have to duplicate the track and then choose left for one track and right for the other.

Even though MS uses less resources than my copy of Movie Edit Pro 2022 (your MS 2022 equivalent) it will still export some projects faster. A lot depends on the power of the computer system with MS 2022. Earlier versions not so much.

As I said earlier, VPX can split stereo tracks into two mono tracks but Movie Studio 2022 and Movie Edit Pro 2022 can't at present. Both Magix and Vegas now seem to have reserved this function to their higher end editing packages. Not that Vegas now has anything at the lower end. I do understand what you are trying to do. You possibly are using two microphones for interviews or similar and want individual control over volume and placement. I'm equally sure Magix are aware of the situation choosing to keep that function to VPX, aimed at the more demanding user to help differentiate the two editors. The function may return in the next incarnation / update as a part of the integration and ability to open older Vegas projects in MS as promised by Magix.

It may be worth asking Magix directly.

Ray.

Thanks for the input. I am trying out Vegas Edit Pro right now and like it alot, since its interface is basically identical to MS 17. I added it to cart and it gave me an upgrade discount, so will probably go that route since it does what MS 17 does and more. I would just keep MS 17 but have been unsuccessful with GPU acceleration, where both 2022 and Vegas Pro do better. 2022 actually uses the GPU more than Vegas PRO so I will have to dig into that a little and see why. Thanks again.

@RickJames-Bish

Hi Rick.

If it was me I think that is the route I would take as well.

I am also seriously considering upgrading my version of Vegas MS 16 to VEP 19 for the things it can do over MEP and VPX. There are strengths and weaknesses to all of those programs depending on the workflow requirements of a given project. The differences in the way you have to work from one to another can be daunting at first. For me it was undoing changes in Vegas and looking for the transport controls and switching views.

After a while it gets easier with time.

If you do get into any trouble with Vegas Edit Pro you will have to swap forums and register here

Ray.

@RickJames-Bish

Hi,

I didn't check back my tutorial, but I believe that I did show the same clip with extract sound that I showed in the previous post. I didn't have a video clip with multi-channel sound other than this one.

I also do not have the display sound channel and extract sound channels options pictured in your example. I do have the option to select audio track 1 or 2 as long as the audio and video are grouped. When I ungroup the audio and video, the menu to select audio track 1 or 2 is still there, but it is locked to the track I had selected when I ungrouped.

Could you please post a short clip with the multi-channel audio so that we can try it?

Also, please post screen shots showing the option to select audio track 1 and 2 and ungrouped with 1 and 2.

If what you are looking for is to split the L+R channels of each of the audio files, then ungroup them, and duplicate each. Then, one by one, double-click to open the Audio Cleaning interface, select the StereoFX tab, open the preset popdown and select left channel only. Now do the copy but give it right channel only.

Is that what you are looking for?

As Ray mentioned, VPX has more features, just like Vegas has more features than VMS.

I would like to know what VMS can do that cannot be done in MEP/MMS. I have been making a list of features that MEP has that VMS does not, and there are many, starting with multiple timelines (not even available in Vegas Pro).

John CB

@RickJames-Bish

Hi,

Could you please post a short clip with the multi-channel audio so that we can try it?

Also, please post screen shots showing the option to select audio track 1 and 2 and ungrouped with 1 and 2.

John CB

The option to select track 1 and 2 looks exactly the same when grouped and ungrouped, you just cannot select the other track when it is ungrouped. It is not grayed out. You can click on it but it does not switch to it. I could not get a video to upload and keep the multitrack audio. The site processes it and combines the audio.

I am not looking to split L+R. I have two distinct audio sources. One is the game audio and one is the mic. These are recorded on two separate tracks and they need to be such in the editing software. They are recorded simultaneously as well. I do not record the mic audio later, it is recorded as we game and later I remove comments that are not needed.

I appreciate your help. I have moved back to MS 17 and trying Vegas Pro out. They both handle the audio the way I would expect. Will likely grab Vegas since I get an upgrade discount.

@RickJames-Bish

Hi

. . . . The option to select track 1 and 2 looks exactly the same when grouped and ungrouped . . . .

I would guess this is a gaming screen capture with the game audio in one stream and your commentary in the other - is this correct?

Are you wanting both audio streams to be heard?

If so:

1. select the audio stream 1
2. duplicate the video clip by holding down the Ctrl key and drag the clip using the mouse to an empty track - select audio stream 2, ungroup the audio and video and delete the video portion. You should now have both audio streams audible.

If you only want stream 1 or 2 to be heard there is no need for any ugrouping and deleting the unwanted stream - it will not be used when you export the final project.

HTH

John EB
Forum Moderator

@RickJames-Bish

Hi,

The solution given by John EB is obvious upon seeing what you are presented with. It is not something that many of us do, so I had not seen those options.

As I indicated, you have to upload the video to a file sharing service like Dropbox, Box, etc., not upload to the forum.

John Cb

Just "upgraded" (questionable), from Movie Studio Platinum 17 to Movie Studio 2022 Platinum. In 17 I would add media, which was a recording that contained two audio tracks. It would automatically put the video and each audio track in its own row on the timeline. The most I would have to do is ungroups them. In 2022 it puts the video in one column and then I have select to view video and audio on separate tracks, which is no big deal, however it only put a video and one audio row. The two tracks are present, as I can switch between track one and two but I cannot separate them. I tried ungrouping, which it does ungroup the audio from the video, but it still only shows one row for audio and after ungrouping I cannot choose between track one and two. Need help because I record two audio sources for a reason. thanks

@RickJames-Bish

Hi

. . . . The option to select track 1 and 2 looks exactly the same when grouped and ungrouped . . . .

I would guess this is a gaming screen capture with the game audio in one stream and your commentary in the other - is this correct?

Are you wanting both audio streams to be heard?

If so:

1. select the audio stream 1
2. duplicate the video clip by holding down the Ctrl key and drag the clip using the mouse to an empty track - select audio stream 2, ungroup the audio and video and delete the video portion. You should now have both audio streams audible.

If you only want stream 1 or 2 to be heard there is no need for any ugrouping and deleting the unwanted stream - it will not be used when you export the final project.

HTH

John EB
Forum Moderator

That sounds like it should work and wish I could try it. Unfortunately I have already removed the program and got Vegas Pro. I cannot recall exactly what I did but it was similar and did not work. VID on track 1. Audio on track 2. I selected audio stream 1, removed from group, copied audio, pasted it on new track 3. Regrouped track 2 audio and track 1 video, then selected audio source 2 for that track. I was expecting track 3 to remain as audio source 1 but it changed to audio 2 when I made the change on audio track 2. Wish the process was more like Vegas and MS 17 because MS 2022 used my GPU way more and encoded faster.

@RickJames-Bish @johnebaker @browj2

Hi John EB.

Rick needs both audio channels to be separated from a video. Possibly an interview using two mics, one for each person.

I tried John CBs solution (as I hadn't even been aware of that function) by producing a similar two channel audio file with one content on one channel and another content on the second channel and it doesn't work fully. You cannot pan the left channel to the right or the right channel to the left. You can control the volume level of each channel though. So the resulting audio is with the left hard left and the right hard right. The mixer pan pots only work form their respective positions (hard left or hard right) and you can pan either to the center and the channel just gets louder but remains hard left or hard right. Once either pan reaches past center the sound then disappears.

Ray.

@RickJames-Bish

 VID on track 1. Audio on track 2. I selected audio stream 1, removed from group, copied audio, pasted it on new track 3. Regrouped track 2 audio and track 1 video, then selected audio source 2 for that track. I was expecting track 3 to remain as audio source 1 but it changed to audio 2 when I made the change on audio track 2. 

From what I see, the trick is to copy the video and then select a different audio for each, then ungroup and remove one of the video objects. If you copy the first audio, it would be audio 1, not 2.

A short video clip would still be helpful for us in case another user wants to do the same thing.

John CB

@CubeAce, @RickJames-Bish

Hi

. . . . Rick needs both audio channels to be separated from a video. . . . .

Correct - however the terminology is incorrect.

. . . . I do have the option to select audio track 1 or 2 as long as the audio and video are grouped.  . . . .

This means there are 2 audio streams in the video clip, each audio stream can have one or two channels ie mono or stereo.

The only way to have both streams is to duplicate the video clip and select the appropriate streams.

Rick - if removing the video from the duplicate removes everything after ungrouping, or you cannot ungroup it, drag down the transparency handle in the centre of the clip when you mouse over it to make it totally transparent.

John EB

@johnebaker

Hi John.

Sorry I didn't see the last post by Rick. Clicking the last post link I missed it.

Had I seen it I would have seen the image. That makes more sense and can be done.

I wondered why I could not get that to happen in in my copy of Vegas. I just assumed that the ability was added in MS 17.

Still, on the plus side, John CB has shown me something I hadn't noticed before.

Ray.

@CubeAce, @RickJames-Bish

Hi

. . . . Rick needs both audio channels to be separated from a video. . . . .

Correct - however the terminology is incorrect.

. . . . I do have the option to select audio track 1 or 2 as long as the audio and video are grouped.  . . . .

This means there are 2 audio streams in the video clip, each audio stream can have one or two channels ie mono or stereo.

The only way to have both streams is to duplicate the video clip and select the appropriate streams.

Rick - if removing the video from the duplicate removes everything after ungrouping, or you cannot ungroup it, drag down the transparency handle in the centre of the clip when you mouse over it to make it totally transparent.

John EB

 

Yes, I want the two audio sources, one being the game and the other being mic, to be on separate tracks. I tried every combination recommended but no matter how I do it, the duplicate track and the original always switch to the same audio together. For example, original video/audio are on track 1 and 2. They are grouped and have audio source 1 selected. I duplicate and place duplicate video/audio on track 3 and 4. I select audio source 2 on the duplicate. The audio source in the original also switches to source 2. If I go back to the original and put it back to audio source 1, the duplicate also switches to 1. I tried ungrouping the duplicate video/audio and deleting the video, then go back to the original video/audio and change the audio source, but the duplicate changes with it. When I ungroup the video and audio, I can no longer switch between audio sources 1 and 2. I have tried locking duplicate and going back and changing the original but duplicate changes with it. They are somehow linked even though they appear on different tracks. I will try to post a short video on Google drive for anyone that wants to fool with it and post a link.

@RickJames-Bish

That's a good idea Rick. I am suspecting your findings will be correct though.

Ray.

Hope this works..

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1b-lubf9X8CPGeg-JrqddOl_eIiGwRt4X/view?usp=sharing