Hi Anirban,

I wouldn't worry about it. Further to what Yvon-Robert mentioned, the article is quite biased and is based on reviews by others by someone who never tried the products. Look at the comments.

He says that "for beginners, if Adobe Premiere Pro or Final Cut Pro still seem like too much, there’s always iMovie and Windows Movie Maker which come free with most new Macs and PCs. It’s best to avoid these third-party alternatives and save yourself the countless headaches." What that means is that if you don't want to pay a huge price for the top of the line video editor, you should content yourself with the bottom of the line like Windows Movie Maker. This is absolute rubbish. Also, "third-party alternatives?" What does that mean? Adobe Premiere Pro or Final Cut Pro would also be third-party alternatives.

He mentions that Pinnacle Studio comes free with some cameras (is that bad?) and then goes on to indicate that Tom's guide points to its buggy multi-cam editing and slow rendering times (along with lack of 4k support) as reasons to avoid the program. Really? Tom's guide actually indicated that there was a problem with the new multi-cam mode, but since he wrote the article it has been resolved with a patch. Tom indicated that "Rendering times suffered at 60 fps" but the article concludes with a graph showing that Pinnacle Studio had the fastest rendering time of the 5 products tested, including Adobe Premiere Elements, so even Tom is out to lunch on this. The lack of 4K support is for the basic and Plus versions, but is in the Ultimate version. Note that in the graph, the comparison is between Pinnacle basic and Adobe Premiere Elements which costs almost twice the price and should be compared with Pinnacle Studio Ultimate which is a far superior product in my opinion - I have it.

As for Magix Movie Edit Pro - basic version, he says "While the reviews don’t seem wholly terrible in themselves, for a low-end video option, way too many people report having trouble loading and running the program with their operating systems. Add to that a required online login to open the program (and a steep learning curve to run it) and it’s not worth your time." This makes it a program to avoid? We see occasionally in this forum people that have had trouble, but they are few. Steep learning curve? MEP is much more staight forward than Pinnacle and I wouldn't even want to think about learning Adobe Premiere Pro or Final Cut Pro. "A required online login to open the program" is another thing that this guy obviously knows nothing about. It is required once to activate the program and once a month to keep it active and the process is totally transparent. Other products use keys like Magix used to and if you had to reinstall it too many times, you would run out of installations. This does not happen anymore with Magix programs. He makes a good thing sound bad. Also, no one mentions Magix one-year support. Corel gives you 1 month. I find it hard to accept that this program could even be close to one of the worst 6.

That said, I, and others on this forum, usually tell people to buy the Plus or Premium versions because the basic version is limited and one quickly runs into the limitations. This applies to competitors' products as well. Never buy the basic version.

I notice that Adobe Premiere Elements has only one version, so again, it is unfair to compare it to the basic version of anything.

Bottom line, the products all do basically the same thing but with different inferfaces and different pre-made effects and built-in effects. They allow one to import video clips, images and audio, edit them, and export or burn to a final format. I highly doubt that there is a difference between the top products and the bottom products in the simple part of importing, editing (trimming and arranging) and exporting without any effects. Given the same input, the output will not be any better with high-priced programs. The differences are in the effects.

I have used many types of  editing sofware. Magix sucks ass in options, operation and comunity support. i never heard a pro say" Ya i use MAGIX."

I have used many types of  editing sofware. Magix sucks ass in options, operation and comunity support. i never heard a pro say" Ya i use MAGIX."

Hi,

Options? What do you mean by options? Third party add-ons or built-in tools? What "options" do other products in the same categories have that Magix products do not have?

What other NLE software have you used and how are you basing your comparisons? Simply saying that "Magix sucks ass in options, operation and comunity support" puts you in the same sorry league as the guy who wrote the article about the 6 worst nle's. So in your experienced opinion, which nle's are the best and why? But remember, compare with other products in same category. For example, if you don't know what Video Pro X does and have never used it, you can't make a fair comparison with a similarly priced product like Sony (now owned by Magix) Vegas Pro 13 Edit. And you cannot compare it to Sony (Magix) Vegas Pro 13 which costs 50% more.

Operation? What is wrong in Magix Movie Edit Pro that is right in other products, again, of the same categories, and why? It works fine for me.

Community support? I have not seen you helping out much at all. Do you always expect others to do this? Why don't you help out?  Should I take this as a personal insult? I help out, but maybe I shouldn't bother. Is Magix to blame if the "community" is not vibrant? Have you looked at the German and French forums? It's all about people willing to spend time helping others.

I follow three other video forums, Pinnacle Studio, Corel VideoStudio and VideoMaker, plus Corel PaintShop Pro, Magix Xara (Talk Graphics), and Magix Samplitude/Sequoia IPS Community. The Xara forum is by far the most dynamic. Samplitude is always interesting and above the average in its content.

As for Pros, a pro is someone who gets paid for their work. Most of the Samplitude and Sequoia users on the forum are pros and have recording, mixing and mastering studios. Many of the contributers to Magix Xara are also pros, getting paid for graphic design and website design. I am sure that there are many pros using Magix Movie Edit Pro, but probably more using Magix Video Pro X (here is a pro who has used both), which is how it should be. If you ask a "pro" who uses Adobe AE or Premiere Pro exactly how they use the product and what all they do with it, you will probably find that they do not even use half of what is available in Movie Edit Pro Plus or Premium. I took a short seminar from a pro recently who films, edits and produces video for clients. He uses Apple Final Cut Pro and produces excellent videos, but there is nothing magical about them that requires a top of the line nle. He could easily have done them in MEP. (Wow, MEP has an audio mixer!?) The magic was in the filming with good video and sound equipment, and good lighting. The rest was in the story-telling and getting the right shots. No fancy effects.

When you are in the big leagues, you depend on specialists. The director does not do the filming, editing, special effects, make the music, or do the mixing or mastering. There are specialists for these. Each will use the best tools that money can buy, and they won't buy consumer grade products no matter how good they are. Here, with MusicMaker and Movie Edit Pro, we are at the consumer level and trying to do everything. But, you will be hard-pressed to find a movie editor that is as straight-forward to use as MEP Plus/Premium and that can easily be used in conjunction with excellent complementary products like Magix Audio & Music Lab Premium and MusicMaker/Samplitude Music Studio or Samplitude and Magix Xara. Most of the other consumer products can't even come close. Pinnacle Studio Pro Ultimate comes with iZotope Music and Speech cleaner, which is about as good as MEP's normal cleaning tools, but far from Magix MusicEditor 3 which comes with MEP Plus/Premium and MusicMaker Premium.

Enough said.

I have used many types of  editing sofware. Magix sucks ass in options, operation and comunity support. i never heard a pro say" Ya i use MAGIX."

I am sure this sorry man has no idea of MAGIX. It can do wonders and some of my best award winning contect has been with MAGIX. The forum is powerful with selfless teachers and critics. Kindly use MAGIX first and pass your judgement. Else you make a fool. For independent film-makers without any gimmick I thinkit is excellent. And I have recommened to many friends.

use fruit loopz. Done. no point getting emoitional over a product that is obvioulsy inferior to its competion. And considering i have been a member here since MAGIX had 29000 members....i never heard of you two below so 'nuff said - Removed by Moderator

@Kourse,

I am on the Forum almost every day and have posted many replies to questions. Anirban has posted many questions. You can simply click on our names and review our questsions and answers under both the Q&A part and the Forum part, Media uploaded (I have not uploaded any), and Tutorials (I have about a dozen). I have 3100 points and 521 Thanks, you have 220 points, 0 Thanks, 13 Media uploads, 10 Answers to the Q&A part, 0 answers to the Forum part. There are 170 pages of my answers to only the Q&A part. So, if you have never heard of either Anirban or myself, it's probably because you haven't been watching or bothered to look.

As for FL Studio (old name was Fruit Loops), it is a music audio program and we were discussing video programs. I am definitely not going to replace Magix Video Pro X or Movie Edit Pro with FL Studio, and I doubt that many, if any, of the Pros who use Samplitude would even consider FL Studio to be a serious contender as a DAW. Perhaps you would like to take a look on the Samplitude/Sequoia IPS forum.

If you are comparing FL Studio to MusicMaker, then make sure that you are comparing similar products and prices. MusicMaker does not pretend to be a DAW, whereas FL Studio does. You state that "no point getting emoitional over a product that is obviously inferior to its competition" but this is not obvious to me and you have provided no comparative information. Each product has its strengths and weaknesses, so what are the strengths and weaknesses of the two products of comparable price range and features (basic, premium)? Be specific.

Rather than hijacking Anirban's question, perhaps you could open another thread under the Forum part to discuss the shortcomings of MusicMaker.

And finally, rather than dissing us and everyone else, you may want to take a more positive attitude and help out, given your vast expertise with MusicMaker over the years.

hahahahaahahahaahaahaha wowgetout of your mom's basement. so much for freedom of speech.

Dear John,

Please ignore this person. Feel sorry for his frustration. Let us focus on creations.

Personally I thank you and other forum members always for being my Guru.

I LOVE my Magix Movie Edit Pro. I find it easy to use and the forums are very informative. 

HOWEVER, if you have a problem that can't be fixed by any of the tips on the forum, there is nowhere to go.

My project marker cursor has stopped moving and I've tried everything that's been posted, to no avail. I have no idea where to go from here.  If it can't be fixed then I can't edit my projects. Does that mean that I have to forget Magix and go to another software?

I find this lack of expert support VERY frustrating.

HOWEVER, if you have a problem that can't be fixed by any of the tips on the forum, there is nowhere to go.

My project marker cursor has stopped moving and I've tried everything that's been posted, to no avail. I have no idea where to go from here.  If it can't be fixed then I can't edit my projects. Does that mean that I have to forget Magix and go to another software?

I find this lack of expert support VERY frustrating.

@Imcsabonyi,

Did you raise a ticket with Magix support? You have one year email support from time of purchase.

Did you do everything that users suggested in your other post?

@Kourse,

I'm 65 and retired, definitely not in my Mom's basement. But you obviously have a problem with intelligent discussion. Enough said.

 when u said "i'M 65 and retired " u spelled  vagina wrong

oh yeah, an intellegent conversation about magix is an oxy moron.

@ Kourse get the hell out of here loser