How to fix or smooth de-interlaced content?

jak.willis wrote on 1/30/2025, 8:05 AM

Hi,

As has been talked about before, I am still having problems with UKTV.

For 3 years, a lot of the stuff they showed was going out de-interlaced when it shouldn’t have been. It would appear that they have finally and recently fixed this issue, but I am now left with recordings of Classic EastEnders episodes that are in appalling quality due to the de-interlacing of the original interlaced content.

My question is, are there any ways within MEP (or elsewhere) that can fix the de-interlacing, to make the motion look interlaced again?

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AAProds wrote on 1/30/2025, 8:18 AM

@jak.willis

Jak, could you put one of the episodes up on a hosting site such as Google Drive or Dropbox so we can take a look/experiment.

You could try exporting your shows as MPEG, which will re-interlace the files and hopefully smooth out the motion. Whether they become "better/smoother" than the originals will be the $64k question.

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me_again wrote on 1/30/2025, 10:28 AM

@jak.willis

Apologies but this isn't an answer for your current problem.

I don't know if you seen this. I thought you may be interested in https://forums.digitalspy.com/discussion/2450392/classic-eastenders-quality-issues-on-uktv-drama/

You may have already commented there, i dont know but apparently you are not alone.

On a personal note, I've never had a problem with PVR recording from UKTV. Mind you, I use the small TV in the kitchen which is only SD to record on USB, so the quality's naff anyway.

AndyW

@AAProds

Re-record to MPEG? That's an interesting little wrinkle. I'll try that next time I'm in that situation. Thanks.

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johnebaker wrote on 1/30/2025, 11:06 AM

@jak.willis

Hi Jak

Are the transmission/recordings SD 720 x576, HD 1280 x 720 or FullHD 1920 x 1080?

What is the intended use / final format you are exporting?

John EB

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jak.willis wrote on 1/30/2025, 11:32 AM

@jak.willis

Apologies but this isn't an answer for your current problem.

I don't know if you seen this. I thought you may be interested in https://forums.digitalspy.com/discussion/2450392/classic-eastenders-quality-issues-on-uktv-drama/

You may have already commented there, i dont know but apparently you are not alone.

On a personal note, I've never had a problem with PVR recording from UKTV. Mind you, I use the small TV in the kitchen which is only SD to record on USB, so the quality's naff anyway.

AndyW

@AAProds

Re-record to MPEG? That's an interesting little wrinkle. I'll try that next time I'm in that situation. Thanks.

Hi,

Yes - I created that thread myself.

We were all in agreement that UKTV in being run by Junior amateurs on work experience or something...

jak.willis wrote on 1/30/2025, 11:35 AM

@jak.willis

Hi Jak

Are the transmission/recordings SD 720 x576, HD 1280 x 720 or FullHD 1920 x 1080?

What is the intended use / final format you are exporting?

John EB

Hi John,

The resolution of the transmissions are 544x576...but were de-interlaced because UKTV are incompetent in their jobs.

The intended use would be to watch it on my TV like normal. But the aim is to try and get the messed up programmes looking normal again.

johnebaker wrote on 1/30/2025, 11:52 AM

@jak.willis

Hi

. . . . The resolution of the transmissions are 544x576 . . . .

Ouch - not even true SD.

. . . . The intended use would be to watch it on my TV like normal . . . .

By burning to disc, using a external drive or casting/serving from the computer?

John EB

VPX 16, Movie Studio 2025, and earlier versions 2015 and 2016, Music Maker Premium 2024.

PC - running Windows 11 23H2 Professional on Intel i7-8700K 3.2 GHz, 16GB RAM, RTX 2060 6GB 192-bit GDDR6, 1 x 1Tb Sabrent NVME SSD (OS and programs), 2 x 4TB (Data) internal HDD + 1TB internal SSD (Work disc), + 6 ext backup HDDs.

Laptop - Lenovo Legion 5i Phantom - running Windows 11 23H2 on Intel Core i7-10750H, 16GB DDR4-SDRAM, 512GB SSD, 43.9 cm screen Full HD 1920 x 1080, Intel UHD 630 iGPU and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 (6GB GDDR6)

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jak.willis wrote on 1/30/2025, 12:19 PM

@jak.willis

Hi

. . . . The resolution of the transmissions are 544x576 . . . .

Ouch - not even true SD.

. . . . The intended use would be to watch it on my TV like normal . . . .

By burning to disc, using a external drive or casting/serving from the computer?

John EB

Either a USB HDD or USB Flash Drive.

johnebaker wrote on 1/30/2025, 12:40 PM

@jak.willis

Hi

Either a USB HDD or USB Flash Drive

In this case, if the TV supports MPG file then try Als suggestion above - using the Standard DVD export preset, and let the TV do the upscaling and de-interlacing.

John EB

VPX 16, Movie Studio 2025, and earlier versions 2015 and 2016, Music Maker Premium 2024.

PC - running Windows 11 23H2 Professional on Intel i7-8700K 3.2 GHz, 16GB RAM, RTX 2060 6GB 192-bit GDDR6, 1 x 1Tb Sabrent NVME SSD (OS and programs), 2 x 4TB (Data) internal HDD + 1TB internal SSD (Work disc), + 6 ext backup HDDs.

Laptop - Lenovo Legion 5i Phantom - running Windows 11 23H2 on Intel Core i7-10750H, 16GB DDR4-SDRAM, 512GB SSD, 43.9 cm screen Full HD 1920 x 1080, Intel UHD 630 iGPU and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 (6GB GDDR6)

Sony FDR-AX53e Video camera, DJI Osmo Action 3 and Sony HDR-AS30V Sports cams.

jak.willis wrote on 1/30/2025, 1:31 PM

@jak.willis

Jak, could you put one of the episodes up on a hosting site such as Google Drive or Dropbox so we can take a look/experiment.

You could try exporting your shows as MPEG, which will re-interlace the files and hopefully smooth out the motion. Whether they become "better/smoother" than the originals will be the $64k question.

Hi,

Yes, I’ll try to do that for you.

So is it really as simple as just re-encoding from Progressive back to Interlaced?