@johnebaker @fergie

Hi John.

I don't know if things have changed but I don't remember ever getting a popup message for trying to import an HEVC file. It just wouldn't load into the program. For that I had to get an HEVC decoder for playback from Microsoft.

I think you can only get that from the Microsoft store now. Then once playing within MEP if you wanted to export to HEVC then you would get the popup from Magix for the encoder when you selected the export option for that wrapper which has to be bought via Magix.

Both licences are fairly cheap but separate as not everyone importing HEVC will want to export to HEVC, especially if they are uploading to somewhere like YouTube that prefers MP4.

Ray.

@CubeAce I got this quite a while ago, i know it did help n my general pc stuff but can't remember if it changed how MEP deals with these files, it's cheap but why you have to pay isn't right

https://apps.microsoft.com/store/detail/hevc-video-extensions/9NMZLZ57R3T7

There's another for heic files, this one's free tho

https://apps.microsoft.com/store/detail/heif-image-extensions/9PMMSR1CGPWG?hl=en-gb&gl=GB

@CubeAce

Ray, just for the sake of accuracy, HEVC is a codec. MP4 is the wrapper (or container) for both H264 (AVC) and H265 (HEVC).

Of course, Magix doesn't help by failing to include HEVC in the "MPEG-4" export menu! 😂

Thank you John

I added the HEVC files to the timeline, I can import the files but there is no picture, also there is no activation to purchase a HEVC codec.

I paid microsoft 0.79 for HEVC video extensions, i now can play these files in windows 10. But they don't open in Magix 2021 premium. I can import them on the timeline check the video properties which is d cinelike 10 bit.

@fergie

Hi

. . . . . I can import them on the timeline check the video properties which is d cinelike 10 bit . . . . .

This is a different issue - the video files may be an unsupported format. Download and install MediaInfo and analyse one of the clips and post the results, see this tutorial on how to setup MediaInfo and analyse a video clip for all the data required.  

@AAProds

Hi Alwyn

. . . . Magix doesn't help by failing to include HEVC in the "MPEG-4" export menu! . . . .

It does, when you click on the option you also get the HEVC activation required message whether you are using the Microsoft HEVC for import or not..

and this is the activation message in MEP 2021

John EB

Thanks for all the support. This is the information of the HEVC file which I'll paste down below. When I tried to export the file as HEVC that's when I got the activation message. Hopefully if I pay I'll be able to edit HEVC..

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Complete name                            : F:\DJI mini 3 test footage 3\DJI_0019.MP4
Format                                   : MPEG-4
Format profile                           : Base Media
Codec ID                                 : isom (isom/iso2/mp41)
File size                                : 190 MiB
Duration                                 : 17 s 680 ms
Overall bit rate                         : 90.0 Mb/s
Encoded date                             : UTC 2022-07-09 13:17:20
Tagged date                              : UTC 2022-07-09 13:17:20
Writing application                      : Lavf56.15.102

Video
ID                                       : 1
Format                                   : HEVC
Format/Info                              : High Efficiency Video Coding
Format profile                           : Main 10@L5@Main
Codec ID                                 : hvc1
Codec ID/Info                            : High Efficiency Video Coding
Duration                                 : 17 s 680 ms
Bit rate                                 : 90.0 Mb/s
Width                                    : 3 840 pixels
Height                                   : 2 160 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate mode                          : Constant
Frame rate                               : 25.000 FPS
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
Bit depth                                : 10 bits
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.434
Stream size                              : 190 MiB (100%)
Encoded date                             : UTC 2022-07-09 13:17:20
Tagged date                              : UTC 2022-07-09 13:17:20
Color range                              : Limited
Color primaries                          : BT.709
Transfer characteristics                 : BT.709
Matrix coefficients                      : BT.709
Codec configuration box                  : hvcC

@johnebaker

. . . . Magix doesn't help by failing to include HEVC in the "MPEG-4" export menu! . . . .

It does, when you click on the option you also get the HEVC activation required message whether you are using the Microsoft HEVC for import or not..

John, sorry, I was a bit cryptic. HEVC is (one of the many) MPEG-4, so it's illogical to have an MPEG-4 option and a separate HEVC option. The export options should be MP4 (AVC/H264) and MP4 (HEVC/H265). When HEVC came along, it looks like somebody has just plonked it into the export menu without thinking about what options were already there.

@Former user

Hi Gid.

That is the Microsoft one that they used to give away until I suspect MPEG LA had a word with them.

I think that second one is to help with your phone's files that may be a proprietary variation or add on to the HEVC seeing as you need the HEVC codec for it to work.

All these codecs are normally jointly developed by several companies and as the developed world manufactures less physical goods they rely more heavily on being paid for intellectual property development. Each would get paid a slice of the fee. You can always ask the BBC for a reduction in your licence fee 🤣🤣.

@AAProds

Hi Al.

I will try hard to remember that anything that ends with C probably stands for Codec (except AVI of course 🤔🤔). I will just have to remember that H264 is Advanced Video Codec and not to be mixed up with AVI.

For the sake of @fergie, I will try to explain the difference.

A wrapper is like a container or can with no label on it listing its contents. Inside could be any one of a number of different codecs. There will be a video codec and an audio codec. Sometimes the video codec has a different audio codec attached to it and on occasion the audio codecs can also cause problems.

Some Wrappers are best used with Apple operating systems while others are best to use on computers running Windows. A lot of modern mov. files for instance are not that compatible with Windows simply because of the way the codec inside is implemented. Such files often need converting to a format that can be read by a Windows based machine using a convertor like Handbrake.

In between all of these are other various codecs, some specific to one model of phone or camera or for use in various equipment such as DVD players.

Sometimes when looking at buying a new camera it is worth looking to see if the codecs it is using can be supported by your software. The same can be true when looking at screen capture software or recording something from a video chat / conference application or game play recorder. All of which can give an editing program a hard time at trying to read the files.

Ray.

@fergie

Hi.

I notice the drone is capturing the file in 10 bit.

Are you using the DJI 'D' CineLike Profile?

If so you may need to do some additional contrast and colour grading to it or it may look rather flat colour wise.

Ray.

@fergie @johnebaker @AAProds @Former user

Further apologies as I got called away during my reply and missed a bunch of replies before I sent my competed answer.

So it was recorded in D Cine-Like.

Would it be possible to put a clip onto Google drive for us to test? I think Movie Studio should be able to use the 10 bit files as they are 4:2:2 and BT.709 but there may be a problem elsewhere.

Ray.

Yes Ray i'm using DJI D Cinelike I was hoping to experiment with the file. I'll try to put it on to Google drive for you to test. So paying for the HEVC may not work?

@fergie

Hi.

I assume whether you use the standard profile from the drone or D-Cine-Like that it will still record in HEVC or is the standard profile recorded as MP4?

I have a DJI Osmo Pocket but it does not have D Cine-Like or record at 10 bit and only records to mov. or MP4.

What it does do is record a 'Flat Profile' file which is similar to the D-Cine-Like to look at but not 10 bit. To be honest the basic colour profile is so reasonable with the Osmo Pocket I have never felt the need to go to the flat profile.

I would have expected a 10 bit file to be 4:4:4 which would have been a real problem but a 4:2:2 based file with a BT 709 colour profile rather than 4:2:2 with a BT 2020 colour profile should in theory work. I just don't know yet why it isn't.

Ray.

You can choose the format MP4 or MOV , colour normal or D-Cinelink, coding format H-264 or H.265. Hopefully can get a clip on google drive.

@fergie

Hi.

H-264 (MP4) is your best bet for trouble free editing as the codec is less compressed and less stressful on any system trying to edit it but may not be able to do D Cine-Like.

A quick internet search does not say it can't be done, just that most Video Editing suites can't cope with the files.

10 bit HEVC on the other hand can be handled but it may be a hardware limitation as to whether it will work as well as needing the codec according to Microsoft.

Ray.

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@fergie, @CubeAce

Hi

. . . . You can choose the format MP4 or MOV . . . .

I have a test video clip with the same video specs as the DJI clip, HEVC 10 bit, and it import and exports in MEP 2021 on purchase of the HEVC codec from Magix.

If you change to the MOV container file format, you may need to install Quicktime depending on the video codec chosen - AVC/h.264 does not need QT, h.265/HEVC probably will not either.

@AAProds

Hi Alwyn

. . . . it looks like somebody has just plonked it into the export menu without thinking about what options were already there . . . .

The 'error' occurred long before HEVC was in existence - the export entry for MP4 should have been Export as AVC/h.264, however it was generally accepted that MP4 meant AVC/h.264. AVCHD is also lumped in with MP4 which is another 'error' as the file format is .mts or .mts2

John EB

Hi ray, this is one of the files that I can import into Magix 2021 premium, but can't play or edit it. Not sure if Paying for the HEVC codec would help. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1zJxLaN37it3Vwnfra4J6zB_tZxZ-KMDL/view?usp=sharing

@fergie Hi, you need to right click on the file in Google - Share with anyone with the link 👍

@fergie

Hi Fergie.

I have sent a request to you for the file as you didn't make it a public link.

Others here have different systems to my own that may also benefit from file sharing. If the file is for any reason sensitive in any way then fair enough keep it for requests from the forum. I will of course delete the file from my system once I have finished testing it.

Ray.

@fergie

Have access. Downloading now.

Ray.

Video no sound but plays perfectly well & is editable

Hi gid, yes there is no sound on DJI drone footage, what software programme did you play it in. Do you have the HEVC codec installed.