GoPro Hero6

johnebaker wrote on 7/30/2018, 3:54 AM

@martin-cox

Are the video clips in MOV file format - if so then this is why Quicktime is being asked for.

If not then we need more information:

. . . . the clips are direct from the camera, saved on SSD . . . .

Is the SSD drive internal to the computer or an external USB drive?

Which version of the GoPro Hero 6 are you using?

Please read this topic and put the following information in your profile signature so we do not have to ask for it:

Computer specification - processor make/model, graphics card or chipset make/model, audio card or chipset make/model, RAM, hard drive configuration and sizes?
Windows version and is it up to date? Press and hold down the Windows key and the R key - in the dialog that opens type in winver and press enter.
Software full name and version number - as found under Help, About . . .

Also when posting please include the following where applicable:

Audio and/or video file formats being imported
Export format and settings used
MediaInfo data on audio or video - see below

If you have issues with importing audio or video please use MediaInfo to analyse a problem clip and post the results from the Text view in MediaInfo

Also add any other information you think may be relevant.

John EB

martin-cox wrote on 7/30/2018, 5:42 AM

HI John,

you can close this issue, I returned the GoPro. The Quik software they also have on their website was next to useless on win10. Imagine having to pay top dollar for hardware to only have to use another software to import movies...bonkers.

thanks

johnebaker wrote on 7/30/2018, 7:01 AM

@martin-cox

. . . . I returned the GoPro . . . .

If you are looking for an alternative I can recommend the Sony series of sportscam having had one for several years and no issues with importing.

HTH

John EB

browj2 wrote on 7/30/2018, 9:42 AM

Hi,

You probably made the right move to return the camera, unless you want to record a lot of 4K60 or 1080p240. I have a GoPro Hero 5 Black and have no problems with the files, but they are not HEVC files, they are MP4, H.264. I use GoPro Quik for importing files from the GoPro to my computer, which it does very well. Other than that, the editing features are minimal. Camera manufacturers usually include software to import videos to a computer and do rudimentary editing, but that is all. This is why we use video editing software like Movie Edit Pro instead of programs like Quik.

For anyone who has a Hero 6, you should read the information on the GoPro site to determine if your computer is capable of handling HEVC files, and if not, how to convert the files to H.264 using Handbrake.

Here is what the site says:

"With the HERO6 Black, HEVC (h.265) is utilized for applicable modes.

Windows

HEVC is supported on Windows 10 computers using the Intel Kaby Lake (or equivalent) processor and newer.

What are the limitations with HEVC on a computer?

Playing Media on Unsupported Operating Systems
If your computer isn’t running Windows 10 / macOS High Sierra or newer, you will not be able to play HEVC files. Quik for desktop will still copy HEVC files to your computer, but they won’t appear in the Quik for desktop Media gallery. Also, third-party apps won’t be able to play HEVC files.

Playing Media on Supported Operating Systems, but Older Computers
While Windows 10 / macOS High Sierra supports HEVC, your computer must use a newer processor to play those files smoothly. Quik for desktop will still copy HEVC files to your computer, but those files may struggle to play back. In general, computers manufactured before 2016 may not handle HEVC files well."

So, before investing in a camera, one should check the specifications to see if the files will work with your computer and software, or plan to upgrade.

HVEC is likely the future format for video cameras. Here is what it does:

"What is HEVC?

High Efficiency Video Coding (HEVC) – also known as H.265 – is a video compression standard that allows GoPro to capture large video content, such as 4K60 and 1080p240, at roughly half the file size with equivalent image quality. Adoption for this new standard is increasing, and is natively supported on Android™ 5.0+ and iOS™ 11 on newer phones and tablets with more powerful processors. Moreover, HEVC is natively supported on Windows® 10 and MacOS® High Sierra on newer desktop computers with more powerful processors."

EDIT

I should add that GPS data can be recorded with the video, so if that information is important to you, stay with a GoPro or a camera that has a data logger. GoPro is working with Dashware, which is free. It allows you to add instruments to a video, and does some rudimentary editing. I use the instruments with a green screen and export the video and then only use the instruments on-screen in my video when I want, in MEP.

Below is the Dashware interface with a default setup:

John CB

martin-cox wrote on 7/30/2018, 1:03 PM

thanks John + Brow.

@John, I have a feeling the x3000 will be worth some research

@Brow, thanks for the comments, I wanted to like the hero6 but the sales guy when I returned also pushed the Black5. I am still going to look into it. Quik worked on import no hassle, however using exactly the same file types (resolution, FPS etc etc) Magix could not import reliable some of the files. There are some great deals on the Black 5 at the moment, all rather tempting.

browj2 wrote on 7/30/2018, 1:29 PM

@martin-cox

Before I got my Black 5, I did some research and the consensus was that the 6 was not worth it, especially if one didn't have the computer that could take advantage of the HEVC files. Your computer may be struggling. Like I said, if you are not doing 4K60 or 1080p240 recording, then the 6 is overkill.

The other thing is that there are several other cheap makes on the market that do the same thing, so they may be worth investigating. With the GoPro, one thing to remember is that there are many third party gizmos that you can get at a good price. I bought a kit and a few other attachments that weren't included in the kit. One problem is that you need a special connector for an external mic, which is unreasonably expensive, and then you need a mic. Don't expect good quality sound recording from these things. I just learned the hard way.

Good luck with your research.

John CB

CubeAce wrote on 7/31/2018, 5:54 AM

I have only just got into video and bought this program recently but I can tell you that you can play back any video within any Windows operating system that is 64 bit if you have the codecs within Windows media player which doesn't on its own always have a complete set of the latest video codecs on it's older operating systems. Microsoft seems unable or unwilling to do this for its older operating systems but if you look around the net you can find codec packs for windows that will enable files to be played in Windows media player. You may not however see an image in the file clip itself when browsing the clips. Within Magix they should be able to be played and used. At least so far I haven't had problems. I can even play back 4k video although at the reduced resolution of my current monitors. So far I'm still in the stages of experimenting but apart from the odd crash of the program when I seem to overload my system all seems to be going quite well. I really need to upgrade to an i7 processor.

johnebaker wrote on 7/31/2018, 7:52 AM

@CubeAce

Hi

The GoPro 6 problem is a little more complicated then just putting in another codec, there are several issues:

. . . . if you have the codecs within Windows media player . . . .

They may be in WMP, however, it does not appear to share them with other programs.
. . . . if you look around the net you can find codec packs for windows . . . .

Some of the 'codecs packs' take over and then there are issues with the video editing program using the wrong codec.

The recommendation is not to install codec packs or if one is installed, to uninstall it - they are not necessary for MEP/VPX/Photostory.
Using HEVC, the Intel GPU must support HEVC this rules out anything before a 6th gen - 5th gen can use a hardware/software hybrid however, IMHO, the HWA is not as good, compared to the later generations.
Using an NVidia card, which supports NVENC - currently restricts you to using VPX for HWA.

Satisfy all the requirements for HEVC and MEP/VPX will play and export in that format

John EB

CubeAce wrote on 7/31/2018, 11:32 AM

Thank you John.

As I said, I'm new to this so I'm sure I don't understand half the problems I'll possibly come up against in the future. I must have been fortunate in my download of the codec pack I did install as so far I've not had any problems within MEP that I've noticed. I did purchase the HEVC codec for Magix but couldn't play the resulting videos outside of the editor before then adding a codec pack for WMP.

Could you expand on points three and four please? Do you mean some people are using MEP without using dedicated graphics cards? I am new to this, coming mainly from photo editing and video conversion is still a bit of a black art to me so far. Apart from varying quality using different recording sources I hadn't considered the difference between mixing different recoding formats beyond making sure they had similar frame rates and aspect ratios. My only use so far for exporting to a different file format has been to reduce file sizes without losing too much quality or reducing 4k output down to an HD sized format until such times I get a couple of 4k monitors.

Also I am having problems keeping up with some of the abbreviations. You have completely lost me with VPX and HWA.

johnebaker wrote on 7/31/2018, 1:06 PM

@CubeAce

Hi

. . . . Do you mean some people are using MEP without using dedicated graphics cards? . . . .

If by 'dedicated graphics cards' you mean NVidia or AMD (Radeon) graphics cards then yes - I am currently running an i5 4th generation processor with integrated GPU and no third party graphics card.

The software is designed to take advantage of the Intel integrated GPU and Intel Quick Sync, it will also use AMD (Radeon) cards for Hardware Acceleration (HWA) which is needed for many effects, smooth playback and up to 10x faster exporting than when using the processor only.

NVidia graphics card can present an issue - older models can be used for HWA providing the correct drivers are installed - NVidia stopped, what is commonly and wrongly called CUDA, support several years ago and removed the support from the drivers. Modern NVidia cards support the NVidia NVENC codec, however Video Pro X (VPX) and Vegas Pro are the only programs that currently support it and for VPX this is for HEVC (h.265) video only.

An AMD processor based computer with an AMD (Radeon) graphics card should be able to take advantage of HWA.

I have recently moved up to 4K video from Full HD and do not have 4K monitors, I will have to upgrade to a new computer - Intel based - within the next year to bring back the performance with 4K video back to a similar level I have had with Full HD on my current computer which is approaching 5yrs old.

HTH

John EB

CubeAce wrote on 7/31/2018, 5:03 PM

Hi John.

Thank you again.

I'm learning more all the time. When I read the specifications for MEP I didn't notice anything about using or taking advantage of Intel GPUs.

[Edit] I have just re-read the specs and it does say 'On Board' and I obviously didn't take on what that actually meant. I am running an older NVidia card. I will have to look up what it supports but I've not seen any recent updated drivers for it. (Just looked up the specs) It does appear to have CUDA Cores: of 384 (Whatever that means) It's actually a GeForce GT 1030 based card.

I will give it a try using the chipsets GPU but I suspect my main bottleneck will be hard drive speeds. I need larger, faster internal drives as I've noticed more strain on the processor when using slower drives. The amount of tracks or FX seem less of a stress processor wise. The program doesn't even seem to use that much ram compared to the amount my photo editing programs seems to take up. Sorry to have gone slightly off topic so if I have any further questions I'll try to look up an answer here first or post a new enquiry. But thanks again for the information which is much appreciated and thought hard about. It would seem I have a lot to learn.