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johnebaker wrote on 7/16/2021, 5:15 PM

@Tano

Hi and welcome to the forum.

Does this occur when using headphones?

Check that you do not have the 'hear what you record' setting in the Windows setting for your sound card turned on.

HTH

John EB
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Tano wrote on 7/16/2021, 7:06 PM

Hi John, Thanks for the info. I am not using headphones. I have speakers, which are providing the audio that I wish to Record with Cleaning Lab. BTW, when I type in Windows Search "Change sound card setting" , all I get are web results telling me to do what I have done already - a logic loop.

Please refer to screenshot. Sorry to be so dense - I'm obviously not a programmer.

johnebaker wrote on 7/17/2021, 4:26 AM

@Tano

Hi

. . . . I have speakers, which are providing the audio that I wish to Record with Cleaning Lab . . . .

Can you describe the setup and method/recording settings you are using?

John EB

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emmrecs wrote on 7/17/2021, 4:58 AM

@Tano

In addition to what @johnebaker has asked, I note you say you are trying to record from the PC mic, and  I have speakers, which are providing the audio that I wish to Record with Cleaning Lab.  Putting these two statements together it seems that you are trying to record, through the computer mic, the output of your computer speakers. Is that correct?

If so, that is really not the way to do it. Essentially the sound is going from the speakers, to the mic, back to the speakers, back to the mic, etc. etc.. Hence the feedback howl.

If you tell us exactly what is the actual source of the audio you are trying to record into SFACL we may well be able to offer rather more advice.

Basically, SFACL is more designed, in its Recording facility, to record the output of, say, a CD player, where the connection between player and recorder is "direct" and the computer mic is not needed.

Jeff

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Tano wrote on 7/17/2021, 5:28 AM

John, The Cleaning Lab settings are the default ones - I haven't changed anything. I'm not sure if this is significant or not but the audio input device is my USB webcams' speaker. Unplugged the cam and tap Record - the app says "no sound card found". Here are screenshots of the Record settings popup window. The Audio input Sound Card settings button is disabled. BTW, Web radio Recording works ok.

Tano

Tano wrote on 7/17/2021, 5:44 AM

emmrecs, I understand what you are saying about my arrangement setting up a feedback loop. This is why I am trialing ACL. I wish to record rare tunes that have never been publicly released as albums or singles, tunes that are just not available anywhere else, and edit them with Cleaning Lab. The source audio is being streamed from YouTube videos. I'm guessing that I may have to use a simpler audio recording app to generate an MP3 or WAV file. Then import to ACL. Thanks for your input. Tano

johnebaker wrote on 7/17/2021, 6:00 AM

@Tano

Hi

. . . . the audio input device is my USB webcams' speaker. Unplugged the cam and tap Record - the app says "no sound card found . . . .

This is the cause of the feedback loop.

To record within the computer the input you should be selecting is the Stereo Mixer as shown below.

If this option is not available then it is probably disabled in the Windows Sound settings Recording tab as shown below

If you do not see the Stereo mixer right click a blank area in the above dialog and select the options shown above, then right click the Stereo Mixer to enable it.

Do ensure that any Windows sound enhancements are turned off as shown below

HTH

John EB

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emmrecs wrote on 7/17/2021, 6:06 AM

@Tano

Thanks for the updates and additional information.

What you are attempting to do is just not possible if you wish to avoid feedback.

However, I would consider using a rather different method to achieve what you want to do. You don't need to stream the source audio if you use one of the dedicated YouTube downloader apps - I use one called 4K Video Downloader, it's free.

Simply open the video file in SFACL 3, make your edits to the audio and then choose File>Export Audio>Wave (or any of the other listed formats you might wish to use).

The actual original video will not be touched (so, once you have finished your editing you can choose to either save or delete it) but you will have your new version of the audio as a separate file.

HTH

Jeff

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Tano wrote on 7/17/2021, 6:32 AM

emmrecs, I was mulling over your question re the source of the audio. Regardless of what digital format the source maybe, the sound coming out of the speakers would be analogue. Then the mic passes the signal to whatever recording app your using and is converted back to digital. Do I have that concept right? If so, then why would the source be relevant to this feedback issue? Please correct me if I am missing something. Thanks, Tano

Tano wrote on 7/17/2021, 6:47 AM

Thanks John and emmrecs, You two have given me 2 solutions that I now have to try. Sounds like the YouTube download method, if I can get it to work (I never assume anything), would be best - separating the recording from the cleaning. That way I wouldn't have to worry about breaking wind in the middle of recording with the PC mic 🙂. But will try Johns' solution too, if only to see if it works. You guys are great. Will let you-all know what happens. Tano

Tano wrote on 7/17/2021, 7:46 AM

Jeff, You said in an earlier post that:

"Basically, SFACL is more designed, in its Recording facility, to record the output of, say, a CD player, where the connection between player and recorder is "direct" and the computer mic is not needed."

What, then, would you say is the proper use of the Record function using audio or mic input? Just voice dubbing?

Tano

Tano wrote on 7/17/2021, 8:22 AM

John, I've enabled the Windows Stereo Mixer - should it be set as default - mic is at present? Will enabling and/or setting as default the Windows Stereo Mixer interfere with, say, the audio of a Zoom session? Have also selected Stereo Mix in the ACL Input and level automation panel. Will wait for your answer before trying your recording solution. Tano

emmrecs wrote on 7/17/2021, 8:27 AM

@Tano

What, then, would you say is the proper use of the Record function using audio or mic input? Just voice dubbing?

Essentially, yes, for the "mic" option, in my opinion. The app is called Sound Forge Audio Cleaning and those bolded words are the key thing, for me. It is designed to enable a user to "clean" an existing audio file, not primarily to record that file. Speaking personally, to make the recording I would use a different software (e.g., something like Sound Forge Pro or Sound Forge Audio Studio, though my personal choice is a non-Magix product) and then import the resulting file to SFACL if "cleaning" is required.

Obviously, the Record facility in SFACL can use a variety of input sources, of which a "mic" (either internal or external) is one. Those other "audio sources", because they will almost certainly involve a direct cable connection between the source player and SFACL, are not going to manifest the feedback problem that you are hearing.

Jeff

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Tano wrote on 7/17/2021, 8:32 AM

Got it - thanks for that. Will keep your points in mind if I finally do purchase Audio Cleaning Lab.

johnebaker wrote on 7/17/2021, 9:17 AM

@Tano

Hi

. . . . Will enabling and/or setting as default the Windows Stereo Mixer interfere with, say, the audio of a Zoom session? . . .

I would suggest you disable the microphone when using the stereo mixer for recording. If you don't then you may end with both the recording you want and any extraneous noises being recorded 😱😂.

If you keep the webcam permanently connected to the computer, I would recommend you only plug it in when necessary. On my laptop it is disabled and also has a privacy cover.

@emmrecs - Jeff, I have had issues with the 4K Video Downloader software - bad enough for me to uninstall it. What settings are you using for it?

John EB

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Tano wrote on 7/17/2021, 9:18 AM

emmrecs, I've installed 4K Video Downloader and downloaded one of the videos I need easy peasy. Imported the file to ACL and the sound is so clean I may not have to do any cleanup at all. I suppose I only need to activate the 4KVD app (pay) if I want to enable more features? I owe you one.

emmrecs wrote on 7/17/2021, 9:38 AM

@Tano

Great to hear! Thanks for the feedback.

I have the "activated" version, I think it's worth the cost, IMO.

@johnebaker

Hi John.

I've not experienced any problems with 4K Video Downloader, though I do have the full, activated (paid for) version. The screenshots below are the from the Preferences menu; as you can see, everything is pretty standard, I think!

 

What problems did you have?

Jeff

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Tano wrote on 7/17/2021, 10:06 AM

John & emmrec, FYI I just tried Johns solution (recording with mic) and it works just fine. Those Windows and ACL setting did the trick. No feedback now. I just have to be very quiet. The ACL audio copy does need to be normalized vs the video downloaded version, which does not. Bottom line: Both of your solutions work. They are not paying you guys enough for the help you provide. Hope you have picked up some useful info from my experience.

emmrecs wrote on 7/17/2021, 12:01 PM

@Tano

Thanks for the suggestion about paying us but all the forum moderators are unpaid volunteers, not Magix employees!

Jeff

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Tano wrote on 7/17/2021, 12:03 PM

emmrec, you forgot to tell me the 4K Video Downloaders free version only allows 3 fast downloads. After that the download speed drops by ~2 orders of magnitude! So I paid for the Personel version US$15, activated and the download speed went right back up.

emmrecs wrote on 7/17/2021, 12:08 PM

@Tano

My apologies. I’ve actually owned the app for so long I’d forgotten about that “feature”! But the price is very reasonable, IMO, because it covers all new versions,I think.

Jeff

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Tano wrote on 7/17/2021, 12:08 PM

@Tano

Thanks for the suggestion about paying us but all the forum moderators are unpaid volunteers, not Magix employees!

Jeff

Hi, I guess I should have put in a smiley. What I was implying was that you should be paid.

Tano wrote on 7/17/2021, 12:40 PM

Hello again, I have just purchased Audio Cleaning Lab 3 and received the activation code, pasted it into activation window and hit return but the activation process will not proceed. No reaction at all. Does the fact that I am a trial user interfere with activation? I have also gotten confirmation from Magix Shop that I'm paid up.

johnebaker wrote on 7/17/2021, 1:06 PM

@Tano

Hi

. . . . No reaction at all. Does the fact that I am a trial user interfere with activation? . . . .

No - the activation code will unlock the trial version so it is the full program.

Assuming you got no error message and the computer has access to the Internet - did you copy and paste the full serial number including the P3- part, if not do so.

Your Antivirus/Firewall may block the program from accessing the Internet or changing parts of the installation - you may need to temporarily turn it off completely while activating.

John EB

VPX 16, Movie Studio 2025, and earlier versions 2015 and 2016, Music Maker Premium 2024.

PC - running Windows 11 23H2 Professional on Intel i7-8700K 3.2 GHz, 16GB RAM, RTX 2060 6GB 192-bit GDDR6, 1 x 1Tb Sabrent NVME SSD (OS and programs), 2 x 4TB (Data) internal HDD + 1TB internal SSD (Work disc), + 6 ext backup HDDs.

Laptop - Lenovo Legion 5i Phantom - running Windows 11 23H2 on Intel Core i7-10750H, 16GB DDR4-SDRAM, 512GB SSD, 43.9 cm screen Full HD 1920 x 1080, Intel UHD 630 iGPU and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 (6GB GDDR6)

Sony FDR-AX53e Video camera, DJI Osmo Action 3 and Sony HDR-AS30V Sports cams.