Hi,

@MAGIX_Redaktion

Good initiative!

Everything that mschagen indicated plus:

A. First, fix the bugs:

1. Project temp folder - the functions for insert, overwrite do not work, only import to the end of the movie and exchange work.
2. Some computers have a problem with HDR Gamma, like my Surface Pro 4, and with New Blue Essentials 3 and 4 with the Magix user interface (not the NB UI) causing the image to go black;
3. Any other bugs.

B. What not to do:

Do not do the same as MEP by combining Titles and Transitions under one tab and adding in a Store tab. If you want to add a Store window, add a button beside the Catooh button. The Store should not be part of the program interface. Taking up a useful program tab is rather insulting to the users (paying customers).

C. Here are some simple things (little to no cost) that can be added:

1. Add a Share button to the top menu like in Movie Edit Pro. This is particularly to transfer the video to MusicMaker or another for music dubbing, and then send it back. See my tutorial about this;
2. Replace Music Editor 3 with Audio & Music Lab (AML) - not ACL or VSCL;
3. Replace Photo Designer 7 with Xara Photo & Graphics Designer;
4. Add essentialFX, at least eFX Vocalstrip, eFX deEsser and eFX Gate to be used as plugins in the main program (as they are in AML);
5. Under Help, add in a link to the Shortcuts pdf.

D. Here are some harder ones:

1. Add export to file for the Project Temp Folder files and folders (with details);
2. Allow tracks to be given different colours. Object colours would still take precedence;
3. Add a title dropdown menu to the toolbar beside the Title T button containing the titles that are under Own in the titles menu, or add Preferences to both places where users could copy/add preferred Titles and Own titles;
4. Look at the new effects, including those from New Blue and HitFilm and clean up the user interfaces. Some require expanding or scrolling horizontally to see all of the buttons and sliders. Use the space much more efficiently to reduce scrolling, especially horizontal scrolling;
5. In the mixer, add track colours and track names;
6. Export to a text file the "Used files" under "Movie information" of the Project Settings;
7. Increase rendering and export speed - seems to be a perennial problem;
8. For Size/Position, add some way to draw or at least show the path on the screen that the object will take for keyframing animation;
9. For keyframing Size - X and Y, allow selecting the two parameters and using the points on the timeline curve, moving them together to simulate the zoom command;
10. For audio, add in the scopes like those in AML, at least the Peakmeter & Spectroscope;
11. Modify the Remix Agent to be able to input a BPM and able to modify it with a slider, I often have trouble getting the right beat. And, for tapping, allow it to be by bar or beat. For some faster beats, it is hard to tap the beat correctly, but easier to hit the bars;
12. Modify the sequence of effects by dragging one up or down in the Effects window keyframing area;
13. Modify the sequence of links to folders under the import tab by dragging one up or down rather than having to right-click, move up or down once, repeat;
14. Allow opening more than one project (MVP) at a time, with each project going into a separate tab at the top, just below the menu bar, similar to that in Samplitude Pro X3 where there is no tab if only one project is open; the tab line appears only with 2 or more open so as not to take up screen space. I know that a second project can be opened into an open project, but that is not what I mean. Also, allow copy/paste between open projects.

E. For third party, lite plugins, in order of preference:

1. SonicFire Smart Sound plugin;
2. Red Giant - Knoll Light upgrade with possibility to keyframe - meaning able to fade in/out the effect (this came with MEP2015 Premium, I believe, not with VPX, and cannot keyframe);
3. Red Giant - Particular - but a faster version than that supplied a few years with a competitor's nle
4. Red Giant - Looks (did not get reinstalled for some reason) - but upgraded to SE which has adjustment controls. There is a version issued a few years ago with a competitor's nle that is very good, similar to that issued with Xara a couple of years ago;
5. Neat Video - I have it but others have expressed interest;
6. proDad VitaScene;
7. proDad Heroglyph V4 LE - this came with VPX6. Need perpetual license;
8. Something from Pixelan (I have the entire suite);
9. Something from Boris.

I will undoubtedly think of more later.

John CB

Me again :-)

Another thing I always wondered about is why the effects have a pre-defined order in vpx. In most other programs (e.g. vegas) they are applied in a user defined sequence. That way the interaction between effects is also more clear. Point D12 from browj2 is one way of enabling this but maybe there is a better one.

Suppose we could have something like video effect-objects in the timeline, similar to alpha objects. This could be a still or video object in a new chrome-key mode e.g. 'effect'. An effect applied to this object in say track n would not be applied to the object itself but to the composite of objects in tracks 1 to n-1. Then if you want to go all-out, the luminance (or alpha channel or some color) could determine the mix between the composite with the effect and the unaffected composite, so the object would effectively act as an effect mask. The exception would be effects which affect the playback speed of an object, these would still have to be applied to the object itself.

This allows for various things:

• effects can be 'stacked' arbitrarily and the timeline can be used to arrange them. No need to develop a separate effects node-editor as with some other tools. The open timeline of vpx can be used as it's strenght here.
• Effects can be applied to composites instead of just the objects. No need to render out a clip and re-import it again to stack another effect on it.
• Now the film can be 'mastered' with an effect object on the highest track number. This could then e.g. contain a LUT effect or a sharpening, softening affect to apply to the whole movie.
• For the user who doesn't need all this, the user interface remains unchanged. The normal application of effects isn't made more complicated and vpx can use it's fixed ordering of effects per object as is.

Hi!  
First apologies for the google translation.
I confirm what they wrote mschagen and browj2, plus my suggestion:
mschagen wrote:
I use a lot of L and J cuts but with vpx I must always ungroup sound from video, make the L- or J cut and then re-group the objects again to make sure sound and video will not get out-of-sync.It would be convenient if e.g. when grabbing a lower handle on a sound or video clip while holding the ctrl key, the grouping is ignored and the handle of that particular object can be dragged while the edges of the other objects in the group remain un-affected. When using 5.1 sound it would be ideal if all three related sound strips of the sound (when extracted or unfolded) would move along if the handle of one of these sound strips would be moved, when holding the ctrl key, while the associated video object would remain unaffected.
Plus the same for Video / Audio on one track.From the source window download on the timeline separate audio or video.

Possibility to set own color:
interface
clip
Edit your own buttons.
Increase the AUDIO section for Video / Audio on one track.

Greetings Thomas

Hi Thomas,

I don't see how J and L-cuts could be made with V/A on one track. They would need to be separated because the length of one object is different from the other. I always work with V and A on separate tracks and the feature already exists under Program settings, Video/Audio tab, under the Timeline part, uncheck "Video/Audio on one track."

What do you mean by "Possibility to set own color?" You can already adjust the overall colour and other things by going to the top menu, Effects, Menu effect settings (Ctrl+Shift+H), Color tab, and making the adjustment that you want. These are Master effects that affect the entire timeline.

Or do you mean the colours of the user interface - the screens, like having different skins? Samplitude has this feature, but it is limited to several preset colour schemes.

You can already set your own colours on a clip under effects, and you can save any that you want as an effect to be reused.

By "Edit your own buttons," do you mean the possibility to have a user toolbar and add buttons to it that would be somewhere on the main screen? Are you aware that you can already save your own titles and effects and they show up under the relevant locations: titles under Titles tab, Own; effects under Effects tab, My presets? They show up as buttons. My idea was to have a popdown for favourite titles, but another one could be for favourite effects. This would save having the user create buttons and messing up the interface. Like I said for Titles, any favourite effects under My presets would then show up on the popdown. A nested popdown would be even better to be able to group favourite effects.

Below is what I am thinking - see the two red buttons.

For "Increase the AUDIO section for Video / Audio on one track," right now, increasing the height of a track only increases the height of the image portion, not the audio portion. For those who want to just use V/A on one track, it would be helpful to have the image and audio parts increase in height proportionately. Is this what you mean?

Of course, it is still simpler to have V/A on separate tracks, then you can increase the height of the audio to whatever you need. By the way, the shortcut to put V/A on separate tracks is Ctrl+H. The to see the waveform, Shift+E. See below.

Here are a few more under my D from my first post:

15. Project Temp Folder again - all of the clips in all movies show up together. It would be good to have them put in subfolders under the movie - and also allow sub-sub-folders;

16. Under color correction or secondary color correction, add in a pipette that would give the RGB values as the pipette moves around;

17. Object trimmer - add total length of selected clip to the bottom right. Without this, we don't know how far we are from the right side of a  trimmed object;

18. Edit trimmer (X fade) - add total length of the left object to the bottom left. Without this, we don't know how far we are from the right end of a trimmed object (the left one).

Hi Thomas,

I don't see how J and L-cuts could be made with V/A on one track. They would need to be separated because the length of one object is different from the other. I always work with V and A on separate tracks and the feature already exists under Program settings, Video/Audio tab, under the Timeline part, uncheck "Video/Audio on one track."

What do you mean by "Possibility to set own color?" You can already adjust the overall colour and other things by going to the top menu, Effects, Menu effect settings (Ctrl+Shift+H), Color tab, and making the adjustment that you want. These are Master effects that affect the entire timeline.

Or do you mean the colours of the user interface - the screens, like having different skins? Samplitude has this feature, but it is limited to several preset colour schemes.

You can already set your own colours on a clip under effects, and you can save any that you want as an effect to be reused.

By "Edit your own buttons," do you mean the possibility to have a user toolbar and add buttons to it that would be somewhere on the main screen? Are you aware that you can already save your own titles and effects and they show up under the relevant locations: titles under Titles tab, Own; effects under Effects tab, My presets? They show up as buttons. My idea was to have a popdown for favourite titles, but another one could be for favourite effects. This would save having the user create buttons and messing up the interface. Like I said for Titles, any favourite effects under My presets would then show up on the popdown. A nested popdown would be even better to be able to group favourite effects.

Below is what I am thinking - see the two red buttons.

For "Increase the AUDIO section for Video / Audio on one track," right now, increasing the height of a track only increases the height of the image portion, not the audio portion. For those who want to just use V/A on one track, it would be helpful to have the image and audio parts increase in height proportionately. Is this what you mean?

Of course, it is still simpler to have V/A on separate tracks, then you can increase the height of the audio to whatever you need. By the way, the shortcut to put V/A on separate tracks is Ctrl+H. The to see the waveform, Shift+E. See below.

Cześć  browj2
Napiszę po polsku bo jestem z Polski.Szkoda,że Google tłumaczy jak tłumaczy bo ja znam język angielski słabo,ale mam nadzieję,że coś z tego zrozumiesz.
Pracę z montażem zaczynałem od karty AV Master 2000 i dedykowanym programem Ulead Media Studio.Był też Adobe Premiere ,Canopus Edius, Sony Vegas.
Kilka ostatnich lat montowałem Adobe Premiere CS6 ale brak jest już wsparcia dla tego programu.Uważam,że płacenie za Adobe CC abonamentu jest bez sensu.
Teraz Avid Madia Composer jest za free i to co ma wbudowane mnie wystarcza ale potrzeba trochę czasu aby go poznać.Kodek AVID jest też w Adobe CC.
Kupiłem jednak w dobrej cenie Magix Video ProX razem z wtyczkami i powoli go poznaję.Jakoś sobie radzę. Z Adobe brakuje mi separacji video i audio w oknie source.
To co mi pokazałeś na Photo Nr.1 znam.Jak montuję w ungroup audio i video to mam czasami problem z synchronizacją audio, dla tego łatwiej mi się pracuje na Video/Audio on one track.
Na myśli miałem ,wciskam klawisz shift lub ctrl+V lub A,myszką zaczepiam koniec klipu i przeciągam w celu chwilowego rozgrupowania audio lub video.
Photo Nr.2 chodzi mi o skórki i możliwość zmiany koloru obiektu kilku klipów
Photo Nr.3,4 chodzi mi o edycję własnych przycisków w pasku narzędzi
Photo Nr.5 Tak, o to mi chodzi
Pozdrawiam Tomasz

Hi browj2
I'm writing in Polish because I'm from Poland. The reason is that Google translates as a translator because I know English is weak, but I hope you understand something.
I started with AV Master 2000 and dedicated Ulead Media Studio. It was Adobe Premiere, Canopus Edius, Sony Vegas.
A few years ago I installed Adobe Premiere CS6 but there is no longer support for this program. I believe paying for Adobe CC subscription is pointless.
Now Avid Madia Composer is free and what has built in me is enough but it takes some time to get to know it. The AVID codec is also in Adobe CC.
But I bought a good price Magix Video ProX with plugs and slowly get to know him. With Adobe I lack video and audio separation in the source window.
What you showed me in Photo No. 1 I know. As I mount in audio and video ungroup, I sometimes have a problem with audio synchronization, so it's easier for me to work on Video / Audio on one track.
As I was thinking, I press shift or ctrl + V or A, the mouse hitches the end of the clip and drags in order to momentarily ungroup the audio or video.
Photo No. 2 is about skins and the ability to change the object color of several clips
Photo No..3.4 I am about to edit my own buttons in the toolbar
Photo No. 5 Yes, that's what I mean
I greet Tomasz

Hi Tomasz,

Polish, I don't speak. English, French, Spanish and Portuguese only.

Putting video and audio on separate track does not ungroup them. They stay together so there should be no synchronization problem. If you ungroup them to make a J or L-cut, it is best to re-group them right away to avoid synchronization problems. If they do get out of sync, then the audio part can be deleted, and restored in the correct place place by right-clicking on the video object and selecting audio restore.

Hi Tomasz,

Polish, I don't speak. English, French, Spanish and Portuguese only.

Putting video and audio on separate track does not ungroup them. They stay together so there should be no synchronization problem. If you ungroup them to make a J or L-cut, it is best to re-group them right away to avoid synchronization problems. If they do get out of sync, then the audio part can be deleted, and restored in the correct place place by right-clicking on the video object and selecting audio restore.

Cześć browj4
Jak ktoś się chce dogadać to bariera językowa nie istnieje.Kiedyś poznałem francuza Alain i on rozmawiał po francusku a ja po polsku nawet na tematy polityczne.Wyglądało to jak byśmy rozmawiali w języku esperanto,ale do rzeczy.Apropos złej synchronizacji audio, montowałem film jeszcze z HDV na dwie kamery na oddzielnych ścieżkach video i audio i zdarzało się,że audio było w tyle o 2-6 sekundy (massssakra).😡
Może to była wina,że montowałem w domyślnym kodeku,a nie Main concept,może to była wina tego,że zgrałem film HDVSplit !!! Nie wiem,ale poradziłem sobie z tym problemem.To co piszesz o tym żeby najpierw zrobić ungroup,edit,group też robiłem,ale to już jest historia
Audio/Video on one track zajmuje bardzo mało miejsca i to mi odpowiada,a z oddzielnym audio lub video radzę sobie w ten sposób

Google

Hi browj4

As someone wants to get along, this language barrier does not exist.I have met the Frenchman Alain and he speaks French and I speak Polish even on political topics. It looked like we would talk in Esperanto, but to the thing. Apropos bad audio sync, I mounted the movie yet. From HDV to two cameras on separate video and audio tracks, and it happened that the audio was back in 2-6 seconds (massssakra).😡
Maybe it was a fault that I installed in the default codec, not the main concept, maybe it was a fault that I did a video HDVSplit !!! I do not know, but I have dealt with this problem. What you write about is to do first ungroup, edit, group also did, but it is already history
Audio / Video on one track takes up very little space and it suits me, and with separate audio or video I am doing it that way

Dla video jest tak samo tylko z Chroma Key

For video is just the same with Chroma Key

Dobrze by było żeby można było używac osobno fade in,fade out dla video i audio.

It would be nice to be able to use separate fade in, fade out for video and audio.

MAGIX_Redaktion

Hover Scrub

It would be nice to be able to use separate fade in, fade out for video and audio.

+1

I often use a quick crossfade in the audio with a hard-cut in the video, the cross fade usually leading a bit.

It would be nice to be able to use separate fade in, fade out for video and audio

I often use a quick crossfade in the audio with a hard-cut in the video, the cross fade usually leading a bit

This is possible now, by simply temporarily unlinking video and audio (on separate tracks), making the desired fade adjustments to either audio or video and then relinking the two.

@emmrecs I know, but I would prefer not to have to unlink and relink (with the possiblity of forgetting to re-link and mess-up my edit, I speak from experience here) I explained it in the first response in this thread.

Another one: The Title objects in the timeline show their "object name" in the timeline, which is equal to the contents of the title itself. However, if you later change the contents of the title or copy-paste titles around and adjust title contents, the object names remain unaffected, thereby not representing the actual contents of the title in the timeline. Please have the objectname of the title objects identical to the contents of the title at all times. (I sometimes use title objects as stickies in the timeline noting particular points in sound or image which I the later mute or delete).

Being able to put annotations in the timeline, that might also be an idea!

This is possible now, by simply temporarily unlinking video and audio (on separate tracks), making the desired fade adjustments to either audio or video and then relinking the two.

So I know you can, but it should be like it is in Vegas Pro

The Title objects in the timeline show their "object name" in the timeline, which is equal to the contents of the title itself. ....

Being able to put annotations in the timeline, that might also be an idea!

@mschagen

+1 for title renaming

Can you explain more about putting annotation on the timeline? How do you see this? Where?

Right now, I use Project markers to help me remember things that need to be done at certain spots. And I colour problem objects red.

Fix the problems in magix like the screen going black when you use new blue filters, take off the filter you can see the video again, sporadic sometimes if play with the filter and shows it then some times it goes black again, and again turn the filet off and you can see the video again.

It would be nice to be able to use separate fade in, fade out for video and audio

It is possible to do this by taking a clip and ungrouping the video and audio, applying a fade at each end of the audio, then Rt.clicking the audio and "Save as an audio effect" (.AFX). This can then be applied to a grouped clip and it will just fade both ends of the audio without affecting the video. I found this whilst trying to create an IFX or AFX that would create a J cut - haven't cracked that one yet.

@osensei

Fix the problems in magix like...

So far I haven't seen any bugs that make me wanna pull my hair out (yet) as has happend in the past sometimes, but it usually doen't take long to encounter small bugs that distract every now and then and take you out of your flow. These are the type of bugs that are usually hard to reproduce consistently when you try, and easy to circumvent once you know them. A program restart usually cleans things up. If we would all start mentioning these the thread will get quite long-winded. Besides, the best way to deal with a bug is to try to find how you can reproduce it consistently and then make a support call with magix where you precisely describe what is required to reproduce the bug. Sofar I've always had excellent responses from them. Ofcourse if and when the bug will be fixed is up to magix to decide.

Personally, for me, I think the program would benefit most from small adjustments, getting the ergonomics and stability just right. But that's also a lot of work and the pr-department will propably find that hard to sell. Fancy new effects are easier to sell. The amount of effort required to develop a feature is propably inversely proportional to the amount of time the users actually spend using that feature. E.g. 3D editting propably required quite some effort to get right, but I wonder how many minutes of 3d movies have realy been produced sofar.

Can you explain more about putting annotation on the timeline?

Now I just abuse title objects to annotate pieces of audio or video. The text shows up in the objects on the timeline, they have a position and duration, I can color them and they move along with objects they are attached to. I just must remember to mute the track or delete them when doing an export. A real annotation object which can show more text or which can show all text when your mouse hovers over it would be more convenient. These objects would not render to any video or audio, so they can't disturb the video when doing an export.

@osensei

See my first post above, point A.2. Pleased to see that I am not the only one with this problem. Did you raise a ticket with Magix? If not, please do so. They are still trying to replicate my problem, and the more people who have it and report, the more validity the problem will have.

@mschagen

You can add a description to the objects. It will also show up in the Project temp Folder. However, I noticed a difference between the treatment of videos and images.

For images, inputting a Comment in the image properties does not get saved with the image but it does show up as a Description in the project folder. For some reason, adding a description in the temp folder does not cause it to show up in the description of the object properties. Clicking on Properties of the object, no comment, but clicking on Properties in the Project folder the description shows up in the Comment field. However, clicking first on Properties in the Project folder, we see the comment, close, and then on Properties of the object and the Comment is still there. Close project, reopen, click on Properties of the object, no Comment.

For videos, it seems to work ok either way. Strange.

Must be some kind of a bug with photos. I would like someone to confirm.

In any event, you can put a comment on the clip and it will show up in the description in the Project temp Folder. From the Project temp Folder, right-click, Select associated source material in movie, and it will be selected. So this is one way to do what you want. The only thing that is missing is seeing the Comment when you mouseover a clip.

Titles

Titles can be added to the Project temp Folder and renamed in Properties and in the Project temp Folder. As for changing the name of the title on the timeline, if you change the title in the preview monitor, the name of the title on the timeline changes. If you make the change in the Title interface, then it does not change the name on the timeline.

It would be nice to be able to use separate fade in, fade out for video and audio

It is possible to do this by taking a clip and ungrouping the video and audio, applying a fade at each end of the audio, then Rt.clicking the audio and "Save as an audio effect" (.AFX). This can then be applied to a grouped clip and it will just fade both ends of the audio without affecting the video. I found this whilst trying to create an IFX or AFX that would create a J cut - haven't cracked that one yet.

Cześć Scenestealer

Dziękuję pomogło.
Zależy mi jednak na tym aby można było zastosować te efekty na ścieżce zgrupowanej podobnie jak jest w Vegas Pro.👍🍺

Hi Scenestealer

Thank you helped.
However, I do care about applying these effects on the grouped track just as it is in Vegas Pro.👍🍺

Hello MAGIX_Redaktion
Make it easy to open and edit your Vegas Pro project, Adobe After Effects.

Witam MAGIX_Redaktion
Dajcie możliwość otwierania i edytowania projektów z Vegas Pro,Adobe After Effects.

@zatoron

Magix do now own Vegas Pro, so some interchange of file formats or data might be a possibility for the future. However, I think the chances of any such interchange with Adobe After Effects is much less likely since the latter's file format is almost certainly proprietary. Adobe would really like you to use Premier Pro!