please explain more exactly what in premium i can use without and what to use with license if i wanna sell my musictracks?

Loops come in two flavours. Soundpools, as drag and drop loops, you cannot use for ... well anything except a friends birthday party, as long as no one else listens to it. Seriously, I haven't figured out what purpose it serves in the world.

Using Soundpools as a part of their 'live' thing though - oddly is allowed for selling the music tracks. Although, because the tracks will match the digital footprint of other tracks in the world - as soon as you post it on Youtube it'll get flagged and you'll need to fight it.

also is premium 64bit software?

Nope, 32bit using Qt. It looks like they attempted to merge Acid Loops with Samplitude, but missed a bunch of functionality and forgot to stabilize it on the way.

can i use 3rd party plugins?

With paid versions of Music Maker, you can "redeem" the coupons to get to enable VSTi support, if that is what you mean. They seem to periodically add new functionality though, which you won't have codes to redeem for, and you'll need to keep paying out of pocket to keep that stuff up to date.

were do i find MAGIX Music Maker Loop Designer.?

Never heard of it

is it "open buy" if i regret my buying of software online for 14days or so?

I have never heard of "open buy". I do, however, regret purchasing the Premium version. I bought it for use with MIDI etc to create sellable material - and all the updates I've installed since have completely broken MIDI functionality. So yes, an expensive digital paperweight. I now use Samplitude, which has its own quirks, but at least is functional.

Unfortunately, Samplitude ignores Music Makers instruments - however, Music Maker does recognize Samplitudes instruments. The whole thing is a mess.

i have read but doesnt 100% understand exactly "To put it simply: If you are using sounds or loops from Music Maker or Music Maker Jam for commercial purposes, you need permission from MAGIX to do so. To make this process as easy as possible, you can easily purchase Audio Pro licenses for commercial use online...

Yeah, you don't need permission. You need to pay the person that made the loops extra cash to use them. Finding that author is done on some weird website, doesn't match the naming, and can be very difficult to find and pay (not to mention is extremely expensive).

If you’ve created a song in Music Maker that doesn’t consist of loops or sound samples and just contains audio tracks you’ve recorded yourself, you don’t need a license. You can reproduce this music commercially. This is also the case if you have created your own loops using the MAGIX Music Maker Loop Designer.

However, that functionality is extremely buggy and problematic. They focus on free users downloading free loops - imho of course.

@dark_spartan

. . . . i have read but doesnt 100% understand exactly "To put it simply: If you are using sounds or loops from Music Maker or Music Maker Jam for commercial purposes, you need permission from MAGIX to do so. To make this process as easy as possible, you can easily purchase Audio Pro licenses for commercial use online... . . .

. . . .Yeah, you don't need permission. You need to pay the person that made the loops extra cash to use them. Finding that author is done on some weird website, doesn't match the naming, and can be very difficult to find and pay (not to mention is extremely expensive). . . .

This is false information - if you use the soundpools for commercial uses then the appropriate Audio Pro licence is required from Magix/Catooh - see here for more information, here for the licence types and this comment for further clarification on what you can do without the need for additional licences.

John EB

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This is false information - if you use the soundpools for commercial uses then the appropriate Audio Pro licence is required from Magix/Catooh - see here for more information, here for the licence types and this comment for further clarification on what you can do without the need for additional licences.

John EB.

That is pretty much what I said, however, I believe that you are incorrect.

The purchases (although from a weird Magix website) are purchases from 3rd party artists - including Magix themselves. The license is between you and the artist - not specifically Magix. As far as I've been able to tell, the only licensing Magix itself has ever obtained for the soundpools (aka loops) from those third party artists would be for personal use only.

In those cases, Magix is only a middle person in the process - and taking a huge cut at that (50%, where most digital market places only take 30).

The tracks and the licensing is with the artists - the artists are not handing their rights over to Magix. Unless, of course, we are only talking about the content in that library created specifically by Magix - then I suppose it is a license to them directly, and owned by them, but that is not the same for all the content on that website.

@dark_spartan

We are singing from the same song sheet.

It is this comment

. . . . You need to pay the person that made the loops extra cash to use them. Finding that author is done on some weird website, doesn't match the naming, and can be very difficult to find and pay (not to mention is extremely expensive). . . . .

which implied that the vendor needs to be paid directly which was incorrect, as you have surmised Magix act as agents for the vendor.

Copyright, Ownership and licensing this still lies with the vendor and is covered in the T & C on Catooh.

Cheers

John EB

Hi John. I followed your links and found that “genelythgow on 28/10/2013” brought fear. He wrote that “DON'T USE PRE-SETS OR LOOPS. ANYONE WHO USES MUSIC SOFTWARE TO CREATE MUSIC TO SELL AVOIDS USING LOOPS AND PRE-SETS LIKE THE PLAGUE.” Is it right? It seems to me, no.

@Serge_vp

Yes genelythgow is right if you do not want to purchase the correct commercial Audio pro licence.

From the article in the Magix Magazine I linked to the statement is this line:

'Music is qualified as commercial from the very moment it generates revenue'

The rule is if you are creating music and it includes one or more Soundpool clips and you:

• sell that music
• create music for commission/payment
• it is used in any situation where it generates revenue for you or a third party, eg Youtube, Vimeo, etc, public broadcast eg Radio/TV/Internet .

Then you must purchase the correct commercial licence for each and every Soundpool used.

To create music for commercial use without having to purchase a licence then you can only use:.

• the Drum synthesizers - the built in drum sequences are too generic to copyright / licence
   
• play the synthesizers/instruments, by external MIDI keyboard or using the Midi editor, with your own compositions and settings; note: the built in melody that is inserted on to the timeline when you add the instrument from the Instruments pane must not be used

HTH

John EB

John, thanks for the detailed answer but don’t hurry. In my question I focus on PRESETS. It seems to me that this is already too much (fear). The tools usually come with a minimum of presets for amateurs and hundreds for professionals, and if you paid for them, then use. Isn't it?

Hi Serge,

I'm not sure what you mean by presets.

If a preset plays a song, you can't use that song commercially.

If the preset is a variation of an instrument sound that you play to record your own composition, then that is no different from playing an instrument. It is yours.

So, what do you mean by presets?

John CB

Hi John, thanks for your clear answer.

I mean that preset is a variation of an instrument sound, because, as I know, others are called soundpools and demo-songs. Especially since “genelythgow on 28/10/2013” means the same. He wrote: “you can use any synthesizer in the program as long as you don't use the pre-sets… Tweaking the knobs (i.e.: reverb, delay, noise, transpose, step sequencer, LFO, etc) takes two seconds and you can alter the sound enough that it is not a pre-set: then its your's if you use it in a song”. That's I why I asked: does he brought excess fear?

Your answer convinced me that it is so

Hi Serge,

I presume that you are referring to Revolta and DN-e1. I really wouldn't worry about using the preset sounds any more than those on an electronic keyboard, and just like all VST's. You still have to make you own composition by pressing on the notes; that makes the composition yours (so long as the melody is not someone else's). The sound of a note is not copyrightable, neither is playing the note C and trying to claim copyright on C or the sound that C makes with the synth sound. Otherwise, anyone who creates a tune using a preset on their Casio keyboard because of the sound of the note would be in trouble. What we are saying is that you cannot use the tune that comes with the program commercially or claim copyright. If you drag in Revolta from the Media Pool onto the Arranger, the sample tune "Revolta 2.MID" is placed on the track. This is what you cannot use commercially.

Refer to the article in Magix Magazine:

"When you create your own melodies without ready loops using instruments from Music Maker (e.g. Vita, String Ensemble, Rock Drums, Revolta …), commercial use is possible, since these are your own melodies."

Revolta is a synthesizer with presets that make a sound. You have to make your own melody and you use a preset or tweak it, it doesn't matter.

When Magix refers to "sounds and loops," by "sounds" they mean samples like those you will find under Fx with a Soundpool, or any other ogg or wav sample sound that they provide/sell. An example is the samples under Fx in the Soundpool "Chillout - Summer Rain" called "Birds A," Birds B," "Ocean A," etc. These are like loops and require the pro license to be used commercially.

HTH

John CB

Ok. Thanks!

Can I just say that I think Magix/Catooh should change their marketing scheme, because I don't understand how anybody likes the idea of having to pay twice for soundpools if they want to use them commercially. Other loop vendors seem to make things very simple for their user-base: "you buy the loops and you can use them as you please".

Maybe you can buy soundpools for a more expensive 'acidized' license, and you can use them however you want.

Acid loops were (are?) commercial-free, I believe, and I hope they'll stay that way !