Does proDad Mercalli have an Aged Film Plug In?

CarpentersMate wrote on 2/1/2023, 9:10 PM

Hi Gang

I noticed a 'Pop Up for' proDad at reduced price? Does proDad have a genuine 'Old Age Plug In' (not an overlay)?

Is it possible to purchase/install a 'proDad Plug In' package and use it in MEP2016, or do proDad Mercalli plug ins only work in Video Pro X?

Thank You

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AAProds wrote on 2/2/2023, 12:18 AM

@CarpentersMate

Mike, "Mercalli" is Prodad's stabiliser program/plugin. You'll be after one of their effects plugins, of which I am not familiar.

All my forum comments are based on or refer to my System 1.

My struggle is over! I built my (now) system 2 in 2011 when DV was king and MPEG 2 was just coming onto the scene and I needed a more powerful system to cope. Since then we've advanced to MP4 and to bigger and bigger resolutions. I was really suffering, not so much in editing (with proxies) but in encoding, which just took ages. A video, with Neat Video noise reduction applied, would encode at 12% of film speed. My new system 1 does the same job at 160% of film speed. Marvellous. I'm keeping my old system as a capture station for analogue video tapes and DV.

System 1

Windows 11 v23H2 severely modified by Openshell and ExplorerPatcher

Power supply: 850W Cooler Master (should have got modular)

CPU: Intel i7 13700K running at 3400mhz, cooled by a Kraken 2x140mm All In One liquid cooler.

RAM: 64gb (2x32gb sticks) G.Skill "Ripjaws" DDR4 3200Mhz

GPU 1: iGPU UHD 770

GPU 2: NVidia RTX 3060Ti Windforce 8gb

C drive: NVME 500gb

Various other SSD and HDDs.

Monitor: 27"/68cm Samsung, 2560 x 1440, 43 pixels/cm.

MEP 2021 version 20.0.1.80

Movie Studio 2023 version 22.0.3.172

Magix Video Easy version 7.0.1.145

System 2

(Still in use for TV and videotape capture)

Windows 10 v22H2

CPU: i5-750 at 2670mhz with 12gb RAM

Onboard IEEE1394 (Firewire) port

GPU: ATI Radeon HD 4770 (512mb) which is ignored by MEP

Hard drives: C Drive 256gb SSD, various other HDDs.

Monitor: Dell 22"/56cm, 1680x1050, 35 pixels/cm

MEP 2021 version 20.0.1.80

Movie Studio 2023 version 22.0.3.172

VPX 12

CarpentersMate wrote on 2/2/2023, 12:53 AM

Thanx Alwyn!

Is it possible to purchase/install a 'proDad Plug In' package compatible with MEP2016? Or does proDad Mercalli plug ins work ONLY with Video Pro X?

Thank You

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CubeAce wrote on 2/2/2023, 2:09 AM

Hi Mike.

I can't remember when OFX plugins became compatible with MEP or VPX but it was able to be done within VPX at that time as it is mentioned in the VPX timeline blurb. The more cores and motherboard ram you have the better OFX plugins work.

Are you still having problems? What period are you trying to emulate?

I did this originally with MEP 2020 or 2019, I can't remember which, but it never got used because of Covid. I updated it recently with MEP 2022 for use this year. (All I did was change the date of the upcoming event) All the effects used were those already in the base program and as far as I remember those effects were there in the 2018 version I started with when I first joined because I did something similar with it for one of the other events I covered. Only the soundtrack is not from the program.

[Edit]

I used

Effects / General options / Old movie

Templates / Film looks / 16mm

Removed some layers from

Templates / Intro outro Animations / Old Movie (outro)

To get to the vignette and scratches for variation.

De-saturated colours over time with the key frame editor.

Slightly enlarged frames to be able to move the image around at random using size position.

Used an ink spot transition for a jpg overlay.

 

Ray.

 

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CarpentersMate wrote on 2/2/2023, 2:49 AM

Hello Ray

No problems here ... That was a nice sample (Dock Yard), nice plug ins ....

This is a different project (aside from WWII). I'm using Film Looks etc ... no problem

Only if possible, (as mentioned), I'd like to find a 'Plug In' - I prefer working with Plug Ins for reasons mentioned. There's more flexibility, more power, less restriction compared to Over Lays. Was only asking because Mercalli advertisement keeps popping up ... Looks like a nice package of Plug In's

However as you mentioned, its not compatible with MEP 2016 ...

No Problem ....

Thank You

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AAProds wrote on 2/2/2023, 3:01 AM

@CarpentersMate

Mike, I think you need a filter from Newblue. They have filter packs containing all sorts of effects.

The Prodad stuff looks like it is only for motion adjustments.

All my forum comments are based on or refer to my System 1.

My struggle is over! I built my (now) system 2 in 2011 when DV was king and MPEG 2 was just coming onto the scene and I needed a more powerful system to cope. Since then we've advanced to MP4 and to bigger and bigger resolutions. I was really suffering, not so much in editing (with proxies) but in encoding, which just took ages. A video, with Neat Video noise reduction applied, would encode at 12% of film speed. My new system 1 does the same job at 160% of film speed. Marvellous. I'm keeping my old system as a capture station for analogue video tapes and DV.

System 1

Windows 11 v23H2 severely modified by Openshell and ExplorerPatcher

Power supply: 850W Cooler Master (should have got modular)

CPU: Intel i7 13700K running at 3400mhz, cooled by a Kraken 2x140mm All In One liquid cooler.

RAM: 64gb (2x32gb sticks) G.Skill "Ripjaws" DDR4 3200Mhz

GPU 1: iGPU UHD 770

GPU 2: NVidia RTX 3060Ti Windforce 8gb

C drive: NVME 500gb

Various other SSD and HDDs.

Monitor: 27"/68cm Samsung, 2560 x 1440, 43 pixels/cm.

MEP 2021 version 20.0.1.80

Movie Studio 2023 version 22.0.3.172

Magix Video Easy version 7.0.1.145

System 2

(Still in use for TV and videotape capture)

Windows 10 v22H2

CPU: i5-750 at 2670mhz with 12gb RAM

Onboard IEEE1394 (Firewire) port

GPU: ATI Radeon HD 4770 (512mb) which is ignored by MEP

Hard drives: C Drive 256gb SSD, various other HDDs.

Monitor: Dell 22"/56cm, 1680x1050, 35 pixels/cm

MEP 2021 version 20.0.1.80

Movie Studio 2023 version 22.0.3.172

VPX 12

CubeAce wrote on 2/2/2023, 4:41 AM

@CarpentersMate

Hi Mike.

I didn't use any plugins for the aging process beyond the basic ones within MEP. Color correction, saturation, movement, etc. It was all overlays, manually adjusted with help from the key frame editor.

The three or four plugins I have to use for aging are all very limited and need additional help to look good.

If you are talking about ProDad Vitascene I strongly advise trying a demo version before buying it. I have it but have never used it. It never gives me quite what I'm looking for personally and I have no idea how resource hungry it is. It runs OK on my system but again check for requirements.

Ray.

 

Windows 10 Enterprise. Version 22H2 OS build 19045.5011

Direct X 12.1 latest hardware updates for Western Digital hard drives.

Asus ROG STRIX Z390-F Gaming motherboard Rev 1.xx with Supreme FX inboard audio using the S1220A code. Driver No 6.0.8960.1 Bios version 1401

Intel i9900K Coffee Lake 3.6 to 5.1GHz CPU with Intel UHD 630 Graphics .Driver version Graphics Driver 31.0.101.2130 for 7th-10th Gen Intel® with 64GB of 3200MHz Corsair DDR4 ram.

1000 watt EVGA modular power supply.

1 x 250GB Evo 970 NVMe: drive for C: drive backup 1 x 1TB Sabrent NVMe drive for Operating System / Programs only. 1X WD BLACK 1TB internal SATA 7,200rpm hard drives.1 for internal projects, 1 for Library clips/sounds/music/stills./backup of working projects. 1x500GB SSD current project only drive, 2x WD RED 2TB drives for latest footage storage. Total 21TB of 8 external WD drives for backup.

ASUS NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 12GB. nVidia Studio driver version 560.81 - 3584xCUDA cores Direct X 12.1. Memory interface 192bit Memory bandwidth 360.05GB/s 12GB of dedicated GDDR6 video memory, shared system memory 16307MB PCi Express x8 Gen3. Two Samsung 27" LED SA350 monitors with 5000000:1 contrast ratios at 60Hz.

Running MMS 2024 Suite v 23.0.1.182 (UDP3) and VPX 14 - v20.0.3.180 (UDP3)

M Audio Axiom AIR Mini MIDI keyboard Ver 5.10.0.3507

VXP 14, MMS 2024 Suite, Vegas Studio 16, Vegas Pro 18, Cubase 4. CS6, NX Studio, Mixcraft 9 Recording Studio. Mixcraft Pro 10 Studio.

Audio System 5 x matched bi-wired 150 watt Tannoy Reveal speakers plus one Tannoy 15" 250 watt sub with 5.1 class A amplifier. Tuned to room with Tannoy audio application.

Ram Acoustic Studio speakers amplified by NAD amplifier.

Rogers LS7 speakers run from Cambridge Audio P50 amplifier

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johnebaker wrote on 2/2/2023, 5:44 AM

@CarpentersMate, @CubeAce

Hi Mike, Ray

. . . . I can't remember when OFX plugins became compatible with MEP . . . .

OFX support was introduced with MEP 2018, with MEP 2016 it is going to be the older dll format plugins only.

HTH

John EB

 

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CubeAce wrote on 2/2/2023, 8:30 AM

@johnebaker @CarpentersMate @AAProds

Thanks john. That explains why I've never had that problem.

That means the majority of NewBlue effects and some ProDad effects will be off the table for Mike then.

There are no longer any effects available from HitFilm since it was taken over by Artist.

This site has a large list of OFX plugins and some software companies that Mike should be aware of at least or will know he can't use some of their plugins.

Some sites will have to be searched manually.

The only overlays I haven't found yet that could be useful would be frame edge overlays and frame jumps where you get a moving bar between frames showing where there could be sprocket damage. That would be fun and could be made up as an overlay video from some base effects using the crop frame along with size and position, even a bit of swing from rotation using one of the layer masks as the background.

Ray.

 

Windows 10 Enterprise. Version 22H2 OS build 19045.5011

Direct X 12.1 latest hardware updates for Western Digital hard drives.

Asus ROG STRIX Z390-F Gaming motherboard Rev 1.xx with Supreme FX inboard audio using the S1220A code. Driver No 6.0.8960.1 Bios version 1401

Intel i9900K Coffee Lake 3.6 to 5.1GHz CPU with Intel UHD 630 Graphics .Driver version Graphics Driver 31.0.101.2130 for 7th-10th Gen Intel® with 64GB of 3200MHz Corsair DDR4 ram.

1000 watt EVGA modular power supply.

1 x 250GB Evo 970 NVMe: drive for C: drive backup 1 x 1TB Sabrent NVMe drive for Operating System / Programs only. 1X WD BLACK 1TB internal SATA 7,200rpm hard drives.1 for internal projects, 1 for Library clips/sounds/music/stills./backup of working projects. 1x500GB SSD current project only drive, 2x WD RED 2TB drives for latest footage storage. Total 21TB of 8 external WD drives for backup.

ASUS NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 12GB. nVidia Studio driver version 560.81 - 3584xCUDA cores Direct X 12.1. Memory interface 192bit Memory bandwidth 360.05GB/s 12GB of dedicated GDDR6 video memory, shared system memory 16307MB PCi Express x8 Gen3. Two Samsung 27" LED SA350 monitors with 5000000:1 contrast ratios at 60Hz.

Running MMS 2024 Suite v 23.0.1.182 (UDP3) and VPX 14 - v20.0.3.180 (UDP3)

M Audio Axiom AIR Mini MIDI keyboard Ver 5.10.0.3507

VXP 14, MMS 2024 Suite, Vegas Studio 16, Vegas Pro 18, Cubase 4. CS6, NX Studio, Mixcraft 9 Recording Studio. Mixcraft Pro 10 Studio.

Audio System 5 x matched bi-wired 150 watt Tannoy Reveal speakers plus one Tannoy 15" 250 watt sub with 5.1 class A amplifier. Tuned to room with Tannoy audio application.

Ram Acoustic Studio speakers amplified by NAD amplifier.

Rogers LS7 speakers run from Cambridge Audio P50 amplifier

Schrodinger's Backup. "The condition of any backup is unknown until a restore is attempted."

CarpentersMate wrote on 2/2/2023, 6:06 PM

Thank You All ....

I'll check out Newblue and search manually ... (or just use what's available in MEP).

As always, I'm Iooking for techiques I've used to before. Never had to use overlays ....

Here's an old clip where I used a 'touch' of grain and scratches (only in the re-creation scenes). All with use of a FILTER. Approx. 5:20-5:35 - And take it easy guys its SD composed in 2006 ...

http://www.ww2survivorstories.com/Larry2a.mp4

Thanks again ....

Mike

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