Does open timeline in Video Pro X6 support different frame rates

discburn wrote on 5/3/2014, 10:37 AM

I have shot footage in 1080p24 and also 1080p25.

If I create a 1080p24 timeline in VPX6 and import the 24p footage, can I also import the 1080p25 footage onto the timeline and work away editing as if the whole project is 24p?

I know Avid Media Composer and Adobe Premier can do this.  The 'non-timeline' frame rate is played back smoothly, just as if it was the timeline frame rate.  There are special settings that are adjustable to enable this smooth playback.

Thanks,

Seamus

 

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johnebaker wrote on 5/3/2014, 2:35 PM

Hi

You can mix any framerates on the VPX timeline - the only issues you may and will have are:

   -  Pulldown conversion showing as jerkiness on panned shots or shots with rapid movement left/right

   -  Deciding what framerate you need for the exported video - unless you change it this will normally be the projects framerate setting.

John

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discburn wrote on 5/3/2014, 3:07 PM

Thanks John for your reply,

Which brings me to another question (perhaps another thread, but anyway!) - even though VPX6 can handle multiple formats on the open timeline, what format is VPX6 most comfortable to edit with?

Media Composer works much better with DNxHD, Final Cut likes ProRes.  What's VPX6's preferred format?

A lot of NLEs, as you know, boast open timeline.  But, in the end, it's easier to work in that NLE's easiest-to-edit format.  In the case of Media Composer, my experience tells me it's actually quicker to convert all the footage to DNxHD before or when impoting it.

AND, the preferred format will also be the Master File format because it has to easily import again for exporting to distribution formats.

Any insights?

Seamus

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johnebaker wrote on 5/4/2014, 4:40 AM

Hi

There is no 'preferred' format, any format VPX can import will work, however there are some formats which are better than others.

It is best to import the movie in its native format if it is supported - every time you convert a movie before importing into VPX you are potentially losing some information and quality. 

Similarly trying to upscale, for example 720 * 576 to 1920 * 1080, is not going to improve the quality of the original - you may get more pixels however the image will look poor.

HTH

John

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VPX 16, Movie Studio 2025, and earlier versions 2015 and 2016, Music Maker Premium 2024.

PC - running Windows 11 23H2 Professional on Intel i7-8700K 3.2 GHz, 16GB RAM, RTX 2060 6GB 192-bit GDDR6, 1 x 1Tb Sabrent NVME SSD (OS and programs), 2 x 4TB (Data) internal HDD + 1TB internal SSD (Work disc), + 6 ext backup HDDs.

Laptop - Lenovo Legion 5i Phantom - running Windows 11 23H2 on Intel Core i7-10750H, 16GB DDR4-SDRAM, 512GB SSD, 43.9 cm screen Full HD 1920 x 1080, Intel UHD 630 iGPU and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 (6GB GDDR6)

Sony FDR-AX53e Video camera, DJI Osmo Action 3 and Sony HDR-AS30V Sports cams.

discburn wrote on 5/5/2014, 1:25 AM

Thanks again John,

Actually, one of the reasons I'm inquiring about formats is because the DSLR H.264 footage, wrapped as .MOV, from my Canon 600D has all crushed blacks on VPX6's timeline.  And working with it natively, and exporting even in other formats from VPX6, still has the crushed blacks.

This misinterpretation of DSLR footage seems to occur in other NLEs too.  I've contacted Magix support about it to see if they can correct the playback natively.

Or maybe it's just my NVIDIA Quadro 4000 video card!

On my Windows 7 64-bit PC, to see the footage correctly, I play it back in Media Player Classic HC with a rendering Output Range of 16 -235 instead of 0 - 255.  Maybe if I can change that setting in the Quadro 4000, that will solve the problem?

Seamus

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