Customised Export but still black bars at top and bottom

Xenofex2 wrote on 9/30/2024, 2:29 PM

Whilst the ‘customised’ export of the attached clip has no black bars appearing on either side on the exported video, it does though have the black bars appearing at both top and bottom on the exported video. The short road movie clip that appears in the background for the first four seconds is 720 x 1280 although think I may have adjusted the positioning of that as well as the next two layers, an extracted movie clip of our grand-daughter, in MEP so that she continues walking along the road. I thus wonder whether this action has then caused the black bars top and bottom. Because, like me, my PC is ageing, I am still using MEP 21.01.104.

Presumably I need to change the height size of the exported video but wonder whether there is a logical way to do so or is it a case of trial and error?

George

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AAProds wrote on 9/30/2024, 6:15 PM

@Xenofex2

I find the safest way to export at a customised frame size is to set up your movie settings (key E) to what you want, then arrange the objects with Section and SPR to fit. Putting the preview monitor onto 75% can help visualise the positioning and resizing (the three-bar menu icon at the top-left corner of the preview monitor).

I have tried to export customised parts of a video eg 16:9 movie setting, exporting 1:1 but it goes pear-shaped occasionally and I've not worked out why.

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Onboard IEEE1394 (Firewire) port

GPU: ATI Radeon HD 4770 (512mb) which is ignored by MEP

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Monitor: Dell 22"/56cm, 1680x1050, 35 pixels/cm

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me_again wrote on 10/1/2024, 12:17 AM

@Xenofex2 @AAProds

To edit and export a vertical phone video it's best to set the movie size before you add any clips to the timeline.

Use one of the presets in Movie Settings, for some reason MS won't adjust after editing.

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CubeAce wrote on 10/1/2024, 4:38 AM

@me_again @Xenofex2 @AAProds

Hi Andy.

for some reason MS won't adjust after editing.

That's because the program has no idea of the intended use for the exported video. In the movie settings you have told the program the final ratio to render the video to. There is nothing to stop a person from putting more than one portrait style video into a landscape orientated video as Pips. I do that on a semi regular basis as part of the video.

Ray.

 

 

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AAProds wrote on 10/1/2024, 4:52 AM

for some reason MS won't adjust after editing.

That's because the program has no idea of the intended use for the exported video.

I don't think it's a case of knowing the intended use, I suspect it's been programmed not to keep asking to "adjust" when that has already been answered in the negative when the first clip was brought in.

All my forum comments are based on or refer to my System 1.

My struggle is over! I built my (now) system 2 in 2011 when DV was king and MPEG 2 was just coming onto the scene and I needed a more powerful system to cope. Since then we've advanced to MP4 and to bigger and bigger resolutions. I was really suffering, not so much in editing (with proxies) but in encoding, which just took ages. A video, with Neat Video noise reduction applied, would encode at 12% of film speed. My new system 1 does the same job at 160% of film speed. Marvellous. I'm keeping my old system as a capture station for analogue video tapes and DV.

System 1

Windows 11 v23H2 severely modified by Openshell and ExplorerPatcher

Power supply: 850W Cooler Master (should have got modular)

CPU: Intel i7 13700K running at 3400mhz, cooled by a Kraken 2x140mm All In One liquid cooler.

RAM: 64gb (2x32gb sticks) G.Skill "Ripjaws" DDR4 3200Mhz

GPU 1: iGPU UHD 770

GPU 2: NVidia RTX 3060Ti Windforce 8gb

C drive: NVME 500gb

Various other SSD and HDDs.

Monitor: 27"/68cm Samsung, 2560 x 1440, 43 pixels/cm.

MEP 2021 version 20.0.1.80

Movie Studio 2023 version 22.0.3.172

Magix Video Easy version 7.0.1.145

System 2

(Still in use for TV and videotape capture)

Windows 10 v22H2

CPU: i5-750 at 2670mhz with 12gb RAM

Onboard IEEE1394 (Firewire) port

GPU: ATI Radeon HD 4770 (512mb) which is ignored by MEP

Hard drives: C Drive 256gb SSD, various other HDDs.

Monitor: Dell 22"/56cm, 1680x1050, 35 pixels/cm

MEP 2021 version 20.0.1.80

Movie Studio 2023 version 22.0.3.172

VPX 12

Xenofex2 wrote on 10/1/2024, 5:42 AM

Thankyou Andy and Ray,

Initially I kept looking at Andy’s answer and then to MEP and trying another Export and another and another. It does seem that with my version of MEP I could still go back to change the original Movie Settings. (Initially I had just ignored.) However it was another suggestion, that of reducing the Preview Monitor to 75% that helped me on the road to finding the solution. The final part of the jigsaw came when I kept looking at Ray’s video of Chatham Dockyard. It was obviously possible to do what I wanted so what was I doing wrong!

I then looked once again at my Project. I had a movie clip and two Images as a Background. With the Preview Monitor set at 75%, and then looking at the ‘Size/Position/Rotation’ Effect for each of the background items, the penny dropped. Put the cursor on each background clip/image, it was then I realised that I had black bars at top and bottom showing on the two Images. Stretch the Images and another Export and all was well. I had got there. 

So thankyou Andy and Ray.

George

CubeAce wrote on 10/1/2024, 6:54 AM

@AAProds

Hi Al.

That's a fair point as I often change orientation or frame speed of my videos depending on final intended usage or lighting conditions, so I always set up the movie settings for each individual project. It has been habit forming for me so not a problem I have encountered. It would be extremely annoying to be asked each time if I wanted to change orientation, frame speed or resolution as I do mix all three from time to time.

Ray.

 

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AAProds wrote on 10/1/2024, 7:43 AM

@Xenofex2

Initially I kept looking at Andy’s answer and then to MEP and trying another Export and another and another. It does seem that with my version of MEP I could still go back to change the original Movie Settings. 

I think this is simply a case of lost in translation: Andy was referring to the "Do not adjust" message that you get when you bring a clip onto the timeline that is different to the movie settings. You can change the movie settings at will, whenever you like.

I often do this when I have exported a 16:9 movie for the family archives and then want to make a square version for Whatsapp: I just hop onto Movie Settings (key E) and change them to Square, then I do a quick re-arrange of my objects and then export Square. Sometimes, you need to manually change the export settings to match the new frame dimensions.

All my forum comments are based on or refer to my System 1.

My struggle is over! I built my (now) system 2 in 2011 when DV was king and MPEG 2 was just coming onto the scene and I needed a more powerful system to cope. Since then we've advanced to MP4 and to bigger and bigger resolutions. I was really suffering, not so much in editing (with proxies) but in encoding, which just took ages. A video, with Neat Video noise reduction applied, would encode at 12% of film speed. My new system 1 does the same job at 160% of film speed. Marvellous. I'm keeping my old system as a capture station for analogue video tapes and DV.

System 1

Windows 11 v23H2 severely modified by Openshell and ExplorerPatcher

Power supply: 850W Cooler Master (should have got modular)

CPU: Intel i7 13700K running at 3400mhz, cooled by a Kraken 2x140mm All In One liquid cooler.

RAM: 64gb (2x32gb sticks) G.Skill "Ripjaws" DDR4 3200Mhz

GPU 1: iGPU UHD 770

GPU 2: NVidia RTX 3060Ti Windforce 8gb

C drive: NVME 500gb

Various other SSD and HDDs.

Monitor: 27"/68cm Samsung, 2560 x 1440, 43 pixels/cm.

MEP 2021 version 20.0.1.80

Movie Studio 2023 version 22.0.3.172

Magix Video Easy version 7.0.1.145

System 2

(Still in use for TV and videotape capture)

Windows 10 v22H2

CPU: i5-750 at 2670mhz with 12gb RAM

Onboard IEEE1394 (Firewire) port

GPU: ATI Radeon HD 4770 (512mb) which is ignored by MEP

Hard drives: C Drive 256gb SSD, various other HDDs.

Monitor: Dell 22"/56cm, 1680x1050, 35 pixels/cm

MEP 2021 version 20.0.1.80

Movie Studio 2023 version 22.0.3.172

VPX 12

Xenofex2 wrote on 10/1/2024, 9:17 AM

 think this is simply a case of lost in translation: Andy was referring to the "Do not adjust" message that you get when you bring a clip onto the timeline that is different to the movie settings.

Yes you are right. However it was as a result of keep reading the Answers, looking also at the project in MEP, and eventually all the answers helped me solve my problem.

George

 

browj2 wrote on 10/1/2024, 9:34 AM

@AAProds

Hi Al,

I often do this when I have exported a 16:9 movie for the family archives and then want to make a square version for Whatsapp: I just hop onto Movie Settings (key E) and change them to Square, then I do a quick re-arrange of my objects and then export Square. Sometimes, you need to manually change the export settings to match the new frame dimensions.

Why not just add a movie, copy/paste to it and change the settings for the movie. Each movie in a project can have different settings. Make your adjustments to the content for the settings. When you go to export, the movie settings are displayed by default for each movie.

Now, you keep both versions intact.

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AAProds wrote on 10/1/2024, 9:44 AM

@browj2

Why not just add a movie, copy/paste to it and change the settings for the movie.

John yes, one could do that. I do have different movie settings in the same project; the reason I dislike the often-used term "project settings". They are really "movie settings". 👍

All my forum comments are based on or refer to my System 1.

My struggle is over! I built my (now) system 2 in 2011 when DV was king and MPEG 2 was just coming onto the scene and I needed a more powerful system to cope. Since then we've advanced to MP4 and to bigger and bigger resolutions. I was really suffering, not so much in editing (with proxies) but in encoding, which just took ages. A video, with Neat Video noise reduction applied, would encode at 12% of film speed. My new system 1 does the same job at 160% of film speed. Marvellous. I'm keeping my old system as a capture station for analogue video tapes and DV.

System 1

Windows 11 v23H2 severely modified by Openshell and ExplorerPatcher

Power supply: 850W Cooler Master (should have got modular)

CPU: Intel i7 13700K running at 3400mhz, cooled by a Kraken 2x140mm All In One liquid cooler.

RAM: 64gb (2x32gb sticks) G.Skill "Ripjaws" DDR4 3200Mhz

GPU 1: iGPU UHD 770

GPU 2: NVidia RTX 3060Ti Windforce 8gb

C drive: NVME 500gb

Various other SSD and HDDs.

Monitor: 27"/68cm Samsung, 2560 x 1440, 43 pixels/cm.

MEP 2021 version 20.0.1.80

Movie Studio 2023 version 22.0.3.172

Magix Video Easy version 7.0.1.145

System 2

(Still in use for TV and videotape capture)

Windows 10 v22H2

CPU: i5-750 at 2670mhz with 12gb RAM

Onboard IEEE1394 (Firewire) port

GPU: ATI Radeon HD 4770 (512mb) which is ignored by MEP

Hard drives: C Drive 256gb SSD, various other HDDs.

Monitor: Dell 22"/56cm, 1680x1050, 35 pixels/cm

MEP 2021 version 20.0.1.80

Movie Studio 2023 version 22.0.3.172

VPX 12