@CubeAce @me_again I was trying to use this the other day, Section is pretty much unusable, no matter what keyframes are added with other effects, Size/Position etc, if you return to Section that 'section' is lost & returns to full screen.

@Former user @me_again

Hi Gid.

I never use Section but rather use one of the mask effects so have never noticed.

Ray.

@CubeAce yeah i don't really use it but the other day i had a jpg that i wanted to crop slightly, but I kept getting the proportions wrong because until you click to another effect you don't see the result of the section, so when i returned to section to tweak it it went back to full screen & i had to start again, very frustrating, I used other methods in the end.

@Former user Thanks, I'm glad it's not just me.

Perversley since I first commented, the section HAS worked as it should on occasion. I can't put my finger on why that is yet but I do know that various "pre-treatments" had been applied to the picture - Gamm, sharpness that sort of thing - before I sectioned it. More playing is obviously required.

@CubeAce I only use section for ease of changing the aspect ration and cutting out a lot of the sky that the old box Brownies and Kodak Instamatics seemed to favour.

AndyW

Greetings again,

Contrary to what I said in my previous post about it has worked on occasion, it hasn't when I thought it has it was a rogue Size keyframe I'd previously inserted and thought deleted, not a section.

Apologies - AndyW

@me_again

Hi Andy. If you only want to crop the image why not just 'open in external editor' and crop it for use? Save as a different file name and replace?

Ray.

@me_again

Hi Andy

. . . . Perversley since I first commented, the section HAS worked as it should on occasion. I can't put my finger on why that is yet but I do know that various "pre-treatments" had been applied to the picture - Gamm, sharpness that sort of thing - before I sectioned it.  . . . .

Try deselecting the object immediately after applying the Section effect - this ensures the effect is applied, switching from one effect to another does not apply certain effects, Section being one of them - then select it again and apply the Size position & Rotation.

This is not new - the same occurs in MEP 2015/2016

John EB

@CubeAce Ray,

I notice in the key frame editor that no key frames are being recorded and that the size position is not allowing manual key frame insertion. 

Ray, keyframes aren't generated for Section, by definition, AFAIK. A Section cannot be changed, whereas Camera/Zoomshot (same thing as Section but constrained to the movie shape) can. A Section can be "modified", but that new section will instantly apply to the whole object, before and after the Play marker.

If you only want to crop the image why not just 'open in external editor' and crop it for use? Save as a different file name and replace?

Section is designed precisely to obviate the need (I would describe palava?) to do that. You should try it. Or maybe not in 2022. 😂

I use Section on video and images all the time. It's great.

@Former user Gid,

I kept getting the proportions wrong because until you click to another effect you don't see the result of the section

Preview will show you the result of Section before you do anything else.

@AAProds Thanks, n offence but i've been using MEP since 2004, i know that, Preview might look ok but sorry it's not easy to explain in txt, If i section an area, then go to Size/Position or another tab & then back to section that selected section is lost, the selection area goes to full screen again, that's what i was getting at, when i section something i expect it to stay that way until i say otherwise.

@Former user I understand what the wider issue is, I just proposed a solution to your claim "until you click to another effect you don't see the result of the section".

@johnebaker

Try deselecting the object immediately after applying the Section effect - this ensures the effect is applied, switching from one effect to another does not apply certain effects, Section being one of them - then select it again and apply the Size position & Rotation.

This is not new - the same occurs in MEP 2015/2016

John, this isn't what happens in MEP 2021: I can apply a section and immediately, with the object still highlighted, apply an S&P and/or Rotation and everything does what it is supposed to do.

@AAProds

this isn't what happens in MEP 2021

Absolutley correct, 2021 wotked. i'm (almost) certain it didn't happen in the version prior to that either that I had - 2019 updated to 2020?

@johnebaker

Try deselecting the object immediately after applying the Section effect - this ensures the effect is applied, switching from one effect to another does not apply certain effects, Section being one of them - then select it again and apply the Size position & Rotation

It doesn't wotk, it fails to be sectioned, bereft of sectioning it remains a full picture.It is an ex-effect.

AndyW

@AAProds

Hi Alwyn

. . . . John, this isn't what happens in MEP 2021 . . . .

Very true - Andy has 2022 so I only checked 2015, 2016 (I knew these had the same behaviour), 2022 and VPX 13.

@me_again

Works for me - personally I think the Section effect should have an Apply button, however this may create comments 'aagh another button to click ' .

Added:

John EB

Greetings @johnebaker

Works for me

Very curious indeed. I've followed your sequence to the letter and alsotried all combinations of button pressing, clicking on and off and swearing but all to no avail.

It seems the Section button toggles itself off but not back on.

AmdyW

 

Works for me - personally I think the Section effect should have an Apply button, however this may create comments 'aagh another button to click ' .

Added:

John EB

@johnebaker Yep, I think the Section effect should have an Apply button, I'd liked to have seen you go back to Section at the end of your video

Greetings all,

The question - Is it me or is it a bug?

Making a slideshow this morning (the first since the update to 104) I created a section to crop a picture. When I opened size/position/rotation to fine tune it I found I needed to move the section a few pixels so I went back into Section and the section I'd created was lost. This occurs whether I've added a keyframe in size or camere/zoom

The video shows what I mean.

AndyW

I think everyone should ref back to the orig post.

When a section is selected, it doesn't stay selected when returning to Section.

@me_again, @Former user

Hi Andy, Gid

. . . . I think everyone should ref back to the orig post. . . .

The videos also helped - I see what you mean about the reset.

Playing the devils advocate card - is this by design or a bug?

From one point of view the reset makes sense as you may want to section a different portion of the clip, on the other hand it does not make sense if you want to tweak the already selected section!

I am in neither camp as I don't use section for a full screen effect and very rarely with size/position/rotation.

I would suggest you raise a bug report also ask for an Apply button for section.

John EB

@johnebaker

Thanks John, that sounds like a plan. I'll get onto it tomorrow; roast beef and yorkshires await.

AndyW

@johnebaker Yep, as i wrote above, i don't really use it, but If i make a selection like this i would expect it to still be there when returning, & i think it is more of an oversight by the creators rather than a bug, a bug to me would infer that it is supposed to work but doesn't, It's as if they have only intended it this way,

I don't have an older version installed, in 2015-2016 if you make a selection in Section & then return back to it after going to Size/Position etc., is the selection still as selected previously?

@me_again Where do you live, enough for another? 😋😁

@me_again

Hi Andy

. . . . Where do you live, enough for another? . . . .

+1

@Former user

Hi

. . . . is the selection still as selected previously . . . .

In 2015/16 it does stay selected.

John EB

@johnebaker 👍🤔😕

@Former user @johnebaker

Oh no, sorry. I've read this too late to invite you. If only you knew how sorry I am.

AndyW