Coming from Movie Studio Platinum 15

Johan_Hackman wrote on 12/15/2024, 12:52 PM

This is my first post.

I have been using Movie Studio Platinum 15 but thought I'd upgrade and opted for the Video Pro X16. I thought it would be a newer and therefore more developed software and also a bit more professional.

So far I haven't been able to work with it the same way I did with Movie Studio and I have a few questions.

  • I don't seem to be find a vignette effect. Is it not there or haven't I looked well enough?
  • In Movie Studio you can add an effect either to an "event", a track or to the the main output. In Video Pro X16 you seem only to be able to add it to a video "object" (which is the word for "event" in Movie Studio) and not to an entire track of the master output. Am I missing something here or is Video Pro X16 less advanced?
  • In Movie Studio you can drag the tracks to change their stacking order but it seems you cannot do this in Video Pro X16.

I am bit confused about this so any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Johan Hackman, Sweden


 

Comments

browj2 wrote on 12/15/2024, 2:01 PM

@Johan_Hackman

Hi,

Video Pro X and Magix Movie Studio are entirely different programs from Vegas and Vegas Movie Studio.

1. VPX is multi-timeline called Movies, so you can have more that one timeline in your project, each with the same or different settings, like one with FullHD 16:9, one with 9:16, another 4K landscape, and another square for Instagram.

2. The track protocol is different. The background goes on the lower numbered track, foreground and overlays are on higher numbered tracks. In other words, back (track 1) to front. Thus there is little need for moving tracks around. Inserting tracks above track 1 is not required; you keep your background on track 1 and you normally leave it on track 1. This makes for good housekeeping.

You have probably noticed that multiple tracks are in the Project Window by default. I have mine set to 32, even though I rarely use more than a dozen or so. Rather than move a track, we just move the contents by selecting Mouse mode for a single track (shortcut 8) then dragging the first object on that track to another available track. You can insert a track if need be. Switch back to Mouse mode for single object (6). Or switch to Mouse mode for all tracks (7) to move everything to the right of and below the selected object.

3. Vignette effect. For this, you can use an effects mask and thus get almost any type of vignette. I have a tutorial showing how to use mask effects, mainly for blurring something or blurring the background. You create the effect - like darken the image, add an effects mask, which masks out the effect - that is my simplified explanation. I normally use the NewBlue Vignette effect or other third party effects that I have, but I use effects masks when I want a particular odd shape.

4. VPX only has effects on objects (events), not at the track level, except for audio which has both (kind of), including volume envelopes at both track and object level. VPX has simple tools for copying and pasting effects, saving and loading saved effects, so you do the first one, copy effect (select which or all of the applied effects that you want from the list that pops up), select the other object(s), paste effects. This can be objects on the same or any track, so long as you have selected them using the normal Windows selection tools - Ctrl+click on each... I have almost never had exactly the same effect on everything on a track. Something always needs to be tweaked somewhere.

There are some Movie level effects that you can apply under top menu, Effects, Movie Effects Settings.

BTW, right-click almost anywhere will give you context type menus. Saves a lot of time.

There are a lot more features in VPX that were not in Vegas MS as you'll discover. And, there are a few that are not in VPX that would be nice to have, but usually there is a different way to do the same thing.

When you get to resizing and moving objects around on the screen, see my tutorials on Size/Position/Rotation effects and keyframing.

John CB

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Gid wrote on 12/15/2024, 2:02 PM

@Johan_Hackman Hi, basically you haven't upgraded you've bought a completely different program. Read the first few comments in this link https://www.magix.info/us/forum/where-d-the-track-options-go--1342723/. Same applies for Magix Movie Studio & Video ProX.

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2. The track protocol is different. The background goes on the lower numbered track, foreground and overlays are on higher numbered tracks. In other words, back (track 1) to front. Thus there is little need for moving tracks around. Inserting tracks above track 1 is not required; you keep your background on track 1 and you normally leave it on track 1. This makes for good housekeeping.

@browj2 Hi, I wish you wouldn't write this as if it's a bonus feature, to me the tracks have always felt upside down in MS. & you don't need to 'insert tracks' in Vegas, drag media in or move a whole track up & it will auto create a new track at the top. To me Vegas has a much better system of manipulating tracks & writing as you do just shows your lack of experience with Vegas. Like I say the Magix way is not a bonus, in fact it's limited.

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johnebaker wrote on 12/15/2024, 3:11 PM

@Gid

Hi Gid

Under the Feedback tab, in VPX16, the track order 'issue' is 'in development' for VPX: 'For the clear display of video and audio tracks. The track order can be freely set for each project.'

MMS 2025 feedback tab does not have any indication whether this will be available, IMO it may be a distinguishing feature between products.

The 'top down', 'bottom up' which is best is a matter of personal preference and an opinion.

. . . . you don't need to 'insert tracks' in Vegas, drag media in or move a whole track up & it will auto create a new track at the top.'. . . . .

You don't need to insert tracks, or for an 'auto insert', as you do in VP, they are already there in MMS and VPX waiting for media to be inserted. If you want to manually insert a track between existing 'occupied' tracks it is a single left click on the + sign in the track header.

The X in the track header in MMS deletes a track, oddly this is 'missing' in VPX which requires a click on the dropdown next to the + .

John EB

VPX 16, Movie Studio 2025, and earlier versions 2015 and 2016, Music Maker Premium 2024.

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johnebaker wrote on 12/15/2024, 3:17 PM

@Johan_Hackman

Hi

There is a list of tutorials here which will enable you to familiarise yourself with the features of Magix Movie Studio.

HTH

John EB
Forum Moderator

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Laptop - Lenovo Legion 5i Phantom - running Windows 11 23H2 on Intel Core i7-10750H, 16GB DDR4-SDRAM, 512GB SSD, 43.9 cm screen Full HD 1920 x 1080, Intel UHD 630 iGPU and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 (6GB GDDR6)

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Johan_Hackman wrote on 12/15/2024, 3:26 PM

@Johan_Hackman

Hi

There is a list of tutorials here which will enable you to familiarise yourself with the features of Magix Movie Studio.

HTH

John EB
Forum Moderator

I am surprised at how many quick and great answers I got already! I have a lot to digest but before I do that, I see that you have tutorials both for Movie Studio and Video Pro X and would like to ask - are they similar? I downloaded both as trial versions and noticed that Movie Studio did not look similar to my Movie Studio Platinum 15.0.

Johan

Gid wrote on 12/15/2024, 3:44 PM

As this is a thread about upgrades the correct upgrade from Movie Studio Platinum 15 would be to Vegas Pro, we all accept that buying a different product isn't an upgrade, Therefore we are comparing the 'upgrade' programs which are VPX or Vegas Pro.,

You don't need to insert tracks, or for an 'auto insert', as you do in VP, they are already there in MMS and VPX waiting for media to be inserted.

@johnebaker There is no need for 'Inserting tracks', it's simply not an issue & it winds me up when it gets mentioned so often, the way @browj2  preaches about the way MS/VPX does it is or any reference to 'having them already there' is not in any way a bonus, it's simply not a thing,

The track order has been discussed a few times & I accept that is an opinion, but @browj2's comments like -

 Thus there is little need for moving tracks around. Inserting tracks above track 1 is not required; you keep your background on track 1 and you normally leave it on track 1. This makes for good housekeeping.

make it sound like the MS/VPX way as some kind of improvement, or that other software is unorganised in some way, they're hollow comments made by someone who lacks knowledge of what they're discussing. 'little need for moving tracks around'.. what the h*ll is that about? Who has to move tracks around? & on that subject as seen in my video it's much easier to move tracks around in Vegas, In fact it's not possible to move tracks around in MS/VPX!. & for me personally a background track that stays at the top is just cluttering up the timeline, a background can happily disappear of the bottom of the screen,

I can't sit back & read erroneous comments without needing to respond.

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Dell SE3223Q 31.5 Inch 4K UHD (3840x2160) Monitor, 60Hz, & an Acer 24" monitor.

At the moment my filming is done with a Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra 5G & a GoPro11

I've been a Joiner/Carpenter for 40yrs, apprentice trained time served, I don't have an apprentice of my own so to share my knowledge I put videos on YouTube.

YouTube videos - https://www.youtube.com/c/Gidjoiner

Lots of work photos on Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/gid.joiner/photos_albums

 

browj2 wrote on 12/15/2024, 4:28 PM

@Johan_Hackman

Hi,

VPX is an advanced version of Magix Movie Studio. There is a comparison table of features on the Magix site. PhotoStory is a stunted version of Movie Studio - 8 tracks, no track headers, less tools, made for those creating movies mostly from photos. Strangely, it has acquired some new features not yet in VPX and MS.

There are a couple of things kind of missing in VPX that are in MS, but most users probably wouldn't notice. MS has a Storyboard mode which is very convenient for rearranging objects - photos in particular - on track 1. In VPX, you have to switch the Edit Mode to Basic, which gives Storyboard mode. It would be simpler to just have the button like in MS. The other is the missing Share entry in the top menu. I use to use it for quickly getting part or all of my video to Music Maker for scoring/dubbing.

One thing that you should look at is under Window, Window Arrangement. You can move the windows around, use 2 or 3 screens, and save and recall your arrangements. F9 gets you back to the default.

Next, go through the Project settings and Movie settings. You should get audio and video on separate tracks, unless that is not what you want, and the playback marker to stop at the location when you press stop(spacebar or stop button). Reduce the default photo duration from 7 seconds - I use 4. Etc.

Vignette:

Here is what a simple mask vignette can look like. Put effects on the video/photo, load a mask, adjust size and location, and select effects on the video that you want to see inside or outside the mask. Note that the Source Monitor (open the hamburger menu) is set to show the selected object without effects.

I show how to do this kind of thing in this tutorial:

I currently have two tutorials underway. Part 2 will show pretty much how to do the above effect. To be out in about a week.

@Gid

In Vegas:

drag media in or move a whole track up & it will auto create a new track at the top. 

Not very intuitive, in my opinion. So let's not go there.

@johnebaker

Hi John EB,

I hadn't noticed that there was no X in the VPX header to delete a track. Never had cause to do so.

One can also cut, copy and paste tracks, so that is an alternative.

John CB

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Reyfox wrote on 12/19/2024, 7:19 AM

Having edited both ways, it is a matter of personal preference and what one is used to. One need to only look to the professional editing software and ask why they edit the way they do. I do have my personal preference. And comparing products, there will always be something that one has that the other doesn't. It doesn't make one better over another unless you use that particular feature. For me, it's the overall feature set, not one or two features that I can live without.

As for VPX, it is a very capable editor that does more than MMS. I have both, in addition to Vegas Pro 22 and Davinci Resolve Studio 19.1.2 (doing the training certification right now). Every editor has stellar features. And a lot of people have more than one editing software on their computer. Use the right tool for the job.

Learn VPX since you already have an financial investment in it. You will find some things from Vegas are now incorporated into it, such as the AI features and the Hub, albeit, not as fleshed out as they are in Vegas Pro.

My daily editing driver is Vegas. I do recommend MMS to a lot of people just starting out, and have even gifted to others MMS. VPX at the moment is more than they need, and Vegas would give them cause to not even want to edit with its many menus and things that you can adjust and work with.

Johan_Hackman wrote on 12/20/2024, 2:48 PM

I would like to thank you all for your warm welcome and great responses to my newbie question.

The confusion I had is now more apparent to me but I still haven't got the hang of what version of the software is called what. I'll call it Movie Edit Pro although I have Video Pro X16. 😂

Now, if I were to thank each contributor to my enlightment individually, I really need to now the difference between John CB and John EB. 😬 The tutorials put out by one of them, but recommended by the other in this thread, has meant the world to me. I now feel confident to use Video Pro X16 from Magix. (Or is it Vegas?) Thanks!

Johan

johnebaker wrote on 12/20/2024, 4:13 PM

@Johan_Hackman

Hi

. . . . I'll call it Movie Edit Pro although I have Video Pro X16 . . . .

I would suggest you refer to you software Video pro X by its acronym VPX, in your case VPX 16.

VPX 16 is the big brother of Magix Movie Studio (MMS) and formerly Movie Edit Pro, which was rebranded when Vegas Creative Software dropped Vegas Movie Studio (VMS).

VPX has more features, and professional tools, than MMS, so calling it Movie Edit Pro is going to cause confusion.

Difference between John CB and myself, we are in different countries separated by 'the Pond'.

John EB

VPX 16, Movie Studio 2025, and earlier versions 2015 and 2016, Music Maker Premium 2024.

PC - running Windows 11 23H2 Professional on Intel i7-8700K 3.2 GHz, 16GB RAM, RTX 2060 6GB 192-bit GDDR6, 1 x 1Tb Sabrent NVME SSD (OS and programs), 2 x 4TB (Data) internal HDD + 1TB internal SSD (Work disc), + 6 ext backup HDDs.

Laptop - Lenovo Legion 5i Phantom - running Windows 11 23H2 on Intel Core i7-10750H, 16GB DDR4-SDRAM, 512GB SSD, 43.9 cm screen Full HD 1920 x 1080, Intel UHD 630 iGPU and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 (6GB GDDR6)

Sony FDR-AX53e Video camera, DJI Osmo Action 3 and Sony HDR-AS30V Sports cams.