Chroma Key Help Please

1940 wrote on 4/13/2020, 12:33 AM

VPX11. Win 10x64

 

I have created a new project, loaded jpg image to track 1 and a movie to track 3 with a bright green screen behind a guy.

Clicked track 3 and then chose Chroma key and the green dot.

When I did that the green went a darker green but no transparency, even tho messed with Thresh and Fade.

Looked at a couple of youtubes but can't work out why I cant get it.

Thanks

oz

 

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emmrecs wrote on 4/13/2020, 3:27 AM

@1940

I seem to remember this being discussed as a problem in an earlier release of VPX 11, possibly one of the first releases of it.

So, exactly which version do you currently have (check under Help>About). I've just checked this in 17.0.3.68 and it works perfectly. (I placed a simple image of colour bars on the timeline, selected Chroma key and Green and the green stripe immediately went black.)

Perhaps you need to update your version?

HTH

Jeff

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browj2 wrote on 4/13/2020, 8:13 AM

@1940 @emmrecs

Hi,

It's #40 on the hit parade.

I suggest that you raise a ticket with Magix. They should have had this fixed right after it was detected.

In the meantime, use Color and the color picker to select the green area.

Jeff, try placing something under the colour swatch to see if it actually works. For most of us, it doesn't; the green becomes dark grey.

John CB

 

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emmrecs wrote on 4/13/2020, 8:37 AM

@browj2

Actually John I don't see anything become dark grey!

Herewith three screenshots:

A single colour (blue, obviously) object:

Added, on track below, the colour bars image (slightly different aspect ratio):

Selected chroma key, green, on the colour bar track, no adjustments made to settings on chroma key screen:

The central green bar is now most definitely blue!

Or am I doing something very wrong?

Jeff

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browj2 wrote on 4/13/2020, 10:10 AM

@emmrecs

Hi Jeff,

I don't know what is happening with yours, but there have been a lot of complaints, mostly on the French side, about this.

Here is what happens:

Applying Green gives:

Undo, applying Color (before adjusting) gives:

This is what other users have found.

John CB

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emmrecs wrote on 4/13/2020, 10:38 AM

@browj2

Hi John.

I repeated my "test" albeit slightly differently.

I used 3 solid colours, blue green and red, sized as per the screenshot below:

I then muted/hid the largest (blue) object and exported the red and green as an .mp4 (to try and eliminate the possibility this was something "peculiar" to a video file as distinct from a static object).

The mp4 was then added to the timeline, the "blue" track unmuted/unhidden and Chroma key (Stamp) selected for green. The tracks containing the separate green and red rectangles were still "muted".

The result:

No green and no grey!

Not sure what to make of all this!!! 🙃🙃🙃🙃

Jeff

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browj2 wrote on 4/13/2020, 12:17 PM

@emmrecs

Grrr! To make a liar out of me, I tried 2 methods, one by creating images like yours, and the other by using a treated video. For the latter, I had made a section, used Chromakey green, and had a background of perfect green. This worked fine. However, the original no longer worked by clicking on green. Increasing the threshold to full got rid of most of the grey, but this was nowhere near what happened before when I was able to remove my actual green screen.

The one that works:

The original one that doesn't:

Here is another thread showing the problem but in MEP:

https://www.magix.info/us/forum/chroma-key--1238650/#ca1517000

and one in French for VPX:

https://www.magix.info/us/forum/chrominance--1238959/

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1940 wrote on 5/10/2020, 11:56 PM

I am being optimistic I guess, but did they fix the chromakey for VP yet?

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emmrecs wrote on 5/11/2020, 3:43 AM

@1940

There have been no recent patches to VPX11 so no, nothing "fixed" at the moment! But, as I observed earlier in the thread, this problem clearly does not occur on my machine, running 17.0.3.68

Jeff

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johnebaker wrote on 5/11/2020, 4:01 AM

@1940, @browj2, @emmrecs

Hi

. . . . but did they fix the chromakey for VP yet . . . .

Not yet, after some further testing, whether it works correctly or goes grey depends on the actual colour of green.

For example using this composite image, of full green, the 'Chroma green' reference colour and the green screen in a pro test video I have

Gives this result

HTH

John EB

 

 

 

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emmrecs wrote on 5/11/2020, 4:40 AM

@johnebaker @browj2 @1940

OK. I decided to attempt to recreate what John Baker had found, created a very similar colour test (using the exact RGB figures that John gives) and saw this:

So, John's results confirmed.

However, increasing the Threshold by only a relatively small amount gave this:

Here the blue background is clearly "darker" than the original but, arguably, a "step in the right direction"?

Jeff

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1940 wrote on 5/11/2020, 4:46 AM

So I could finish my brief, I upgraded my old Power Director program to their 365 as it has chromakey that one can change the variations of colour. Excellent !

A much cheaper program, so why not VP?

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johnebaker wrote on 5/11/2020, 5:25 AM

@1940

Hi

. . . . chromakey that one can change the variations of colour. . . . so why not VP? . . .

It does, @browj2 gave you the method in his first post above.

Here is a clip showing it in use with blue screen which has the same issue if the blue is the incorrect colour as seen in this example.

The Color option is also more flexible than the standard Stamp options

John EB

 

 

 

 

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johnebaker wrote on 5/11/2020, 7:15 AM

@1940, @browj2, @emmrecs

As an aside, while rebuilding a laptop, I have carried out another experiment to see how red and blue color contamination affect the green screen effect.

Using this triple colour gradient

This is the result in MEP and VPX

The colour move effects are :

  • adding red - has a significant effect as the green moves towards yellow
     
  • adding blue - requires a significant amount of blue before it becomes noticeable as the green moves towards cyan
     
  • adding equal red and blue - the amount of blue added significantly reduces the effect of adding an equal amount of red as the green moves to a lighter version.

This confirms that red contamination has a significant effect.

John EB

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jamescerano wrote on 7/8/2021, 12:00 PM

Colors in the monitor scree appear to be lacking red. Red shows up as black, purple or grey

johnebaker wrote on 7/8/2021, 12:21 PM

@jamescerano

Hi

This topic is about Chromakey.

If the program you are using is a Vegas product see this topic

Otherwise please start a new topic and give more details of the issue you are having include:

  1. the program full name and version number you are using
     
  2. screenshots of the display you are getting
     
  3. your computer specification - see this topic for details required please quote processor and graphics
    card names and model in full..
     
  4. screenshot of the Program settings, Display options tab
     
  5. is this occurring with video and/or images on the timeline
     
  6. is the Preview monitor set to Standard (2D) display - click the Hamburger menu top left of the preview monitor

John EB
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