Hi There Gid (nice to see you again) 😁

Yes thanks for the tips! It sounds nuts but I've been a prisoner in 'Standard Def Penitentiary' since 2009.

John EB paid my bail and I was finally just released. 😲 I formatted the card and changed the file type to MP4, (although I'm not sure that file type will be a keeper depending on the export purpose). We'll see as we go long ...

For now, I'm using the HC-V770 as a reader, (which was suggested). But it's a slower transfer rate (OEM USB2 for that time period). I like the 50X Optical Zoom!

We've discussed storage folders previously. For now, I put the media in 'My Record' And I did get an error prompt regarding frame rate export.

Here's a TEST file (remember its only a test) 😎

@CarpentersMate

Mike, nothing wrong with SD video. 😉

Re your export frame rate, if you've set your movie settings (key E) to 59.94, you should be exporting at that.

It depends to a certain extent on your clips; if they are 59.94, then make the movie settings 59.94. If the clips are 29.97, make the movie settings 29.97. Your export settings will default to the movie settings.

If you have a mix of clips, I don't know which would be better. You could do an experiment export to see how they all looked.

That's a pretty impressive camera for an indoor shot!

Thank you Alwyn - Nice to see you again - Yes I usually set frame rate to 29 (not sure why I get that prompt)?

Take care buddy ....

@CarpentersMate

Mike, you got that prompt because somehow 😉 the movie setting was on 59.94.

@CarpentersMate...

 

You can read the data directly from the Panosonic 770 sd card and import it to your hard drive, and from there you can access the MEP 1016 media pool
on your sd card
-DCIM/103YAPHH/ your video file.mp4
or
-DCIM/PRIVATE/AVCHD/BDMV/STREAM/your video files.mts
Mep 2016plus comes from both (mp4 and mts) directly

Otherwise 1, the Panasonic 770 does not have a 50x optical zoom.It is  a 50 "intelligent" zoom. There is 20x optical zoom.
I recommend that you don't use the 50i zoom, but the 20 optical zoom.
Panasonic 770 enlarges digitally (lossily) 20->50, you can get the same enlargements done with your program.
By doing this, you will always get the good image quality you want, but if you use the images during 50i, you will no longer be able to get better than that from the 20 zoom optical
precision.

Your Panasonic HC-V770 uses 59.94 fps recording. As Alwyn said you can change it only when editing (key E), higher fps gives better motion sharpness
Otherwise 2, the microphone inside the Panasoni is of very high quality. You can adjust the recording level directly from the LCD screen (through the icon that appears on it), if you plug in a 3.5mm headphone jack (you don't need headphone, only jack) ,
It is not mentioned in the manual.

I am sorry my english

@testataan

Long time no see, Testataan! 👏

Hey Guys Thanx for your patience (gonna take me a while)

(Two issues for now): the frame rate (on the card) is set for 59.94 - Need to match the setting export, (reason for the prompt). Need to figure out what's best? For now, its a simple indoor shoot, (no outside daylight).

Thank you Mr. Testataan (Italiano)? "higher fps gives better motion sharpness"

Yes the DCIM folder is (same as before). But apparently the PC seems sluggish (or) confused at recognizing the folder? I'm familiar with Headphone & Microphone issues. I'll definitely be using an Audio-Technica AT8537 (as before).

Thanks Guys (going slowly) more to come ...

Mike

@CarpentersMate Hi, I'm sure you've done this before so I apologize for repeating this, can you share the MediaInfo of your media from the camera,

https://mediaarea.net/en/MediaInfo

After downloading, right click on the media file in your Windows folder, open MediaInfo, choose Text from the options at the top, Copy & paste the information in a new comment on here 👍

Hi There Gid 🙂 (thanx for the help - sorry for the slow reply), still battling CRPS, but curious about this camera.

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Card capture details: 1920X1080

Video
Data Rate: 25050 kbps
Total Bit Rate: 25304 kbps
Frame Rate: 59.94frames/second

Audio
253 kbps
2 Channel Stereo 48.000kHz

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From what I understand, (as Testataan pointed out), regarding frame rate: 59.94 is good for shooting slow motion, speed up & slow down. And 29.97 is supposedly still considered the best rate for video requiring detail like sports, and provides crispness.

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With regard to other information from Panasonic and certain video web sites, it sounds like they're saying 59 actually provides smoother texture?

Anyway, if 29 is more widley used I'll try to change the camera's frame rate?

Thank You - Mike

@CarpentersMate

Mike, I think there may be a loss in translation here re frame rates. Faster frame rates are better when there is motion. That's why a TV with a higher refresh rate plays smoother sport. In my dealings with video, it is definitely smoother at 50fps (or 59.94) compared to 25fps (or 29.97).

Have a look at these two videos that were produced by one of the coding whizzs at Videohelp. It'll demonstrate the advantage of the higher framerate.

https://forum.videohelp.com/threads/410381-Editing-Mix-of-576i-and-720p#post2697821

In your case, if you have the facility and storage space (it will be double normal), then it is something you should consider. Perhaps though if this is just an interview, it is not so much of an issue.

@CarpentersMate @AAProds Hi, agreed a little misunderstanding there, @testataan says "higher fps gives better motion sharpness", this isn't referring to slow motion, yes you'd get a better video if you slowed 59.94 down compared to 29.97, but the motion sharpness is more about what you call 'smoother texture', If something is moving on screen or you pan the camera around more frames are created @ 59.94 compared to 29.97 so the flow will be less jerky. I test it by holding the camera straight forward & then turning 360º, you get less motion blur & each frame blends into the next better @ 59.94 compared to 29.97.

I film in 59.94 more often now esp if there's movement in some way because my PC can handle that, but 29.97 is more than adequate for general filming, @ 59.94 there's twice as many frames for MMS & your PC to have to work with compared to 29.97

I'm always curious about this because I often see 24fps mentioned,my Boris plugins are default 24fps & Googling "standard movie frame rate" -

This discusses frame rate https://www.premiumbeat.com/blog/advanced-look-into-frame-rates/#:~:text=Universally%2C%2024fps%20is%20accepted%20as,are%20twenty%2Dfour%20individual%20stills.

Google - '

Are movies shot in 60fps?

24 fps is the standard because it is a good balance between motion smoothing and preserving the "film look." 60 fps can make videos look too smooth and lose the natural motion blur, making it look less cinematic."

Very Interesting

Thanks for the link and discussion Gid!

Personally I don't shoot sports and just getting into this camera. For 20 years I shot SD in 29.97 ....

It remains a curious question ...

Thanks everyone for contributing here: Getting to a solution: (changing frame rate to 29.97). I believe GID suggested I could do that (after the content is transferred to MEP), and accomplishing that thru MEP settings? Or its it preferred to change the frame rate within the camera settings? (So far), having a tough time finding that on the camera menu?

Thank You

@CarpentersMate Hi, someone will embellish this, yes the frame rate can be changed in editing but it's always advised to set the project to the frame rate of the media, & therefore to export at the same frame rate of the project, simply because any change in frame rate, format etc. means there's a potential chance of loss in some way or Audio/video misalignment etc.,

So set your camera to 29.97, when you import your media to MEP will recognise that & set the project, (check that in movie settings when starting your project, press E on the keyboard will open the movie settings easily), then when it comes to Export those settings should be already in the boxes.

Hi Gid!

"So set your camera to 29.97"

Been working on that ....

BTW, In Record  Format, (which is in the camera Menu) You only have two choices:

AVCHD
(or)
MP4/iFrame

And in Record Mode: I've chosen '1080 MP4 50MM'

@CarpentersMate Hi,  I haven't actually looked at the frame rate options of that camera, I only briefly looked through the pdf i shared https://eww.pavc.panasonic.co.jp/hdw/oi/WX970/HC-WX970_VX870_V770_GC_GW_GN_GH_SQW0252_eng.pdf

You've been discussing 59.94 & 29.97 so I assumed those were options you had so that's what I've been working on,

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I'll look some more but the 2 main ones I've noticed are 50 & 25, I would choose 25 from those two options for working on your pc, (just like in the quotes above 24 is often used) but if that doesn't produce a good enough picture try 50, but like said that would be twice as much info for your pc to deal with.

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Have a look at page 29 & 30 see if that helps,

Hi Gid

"You've been discussing 59.94 & 29.97 so that's what I've been working on"

Yes that's correct (thank you) but finding 29.97 (so far) is difficult. I can't find the option to change frame rate at all?

I've also tried 'other' 'Rec Modes'

Take a break Gid .... go get a beer and I'll see you again sometime ...😉

Mike

This camera simply does not have the option for changing Frame Rate. I knew it was classified as an older affordable 'Pro-Sumer' model (but some of us), were actually disappointed/surprised to get this news. Its no matter... Its portable, easy to carry along and saved me hundreds of dollars. However, with the faster Frame Rate, it will take up more file space on the SD card and probably of little value to convert the frame rate in post using MEP? Does anyone know how much more?

Thanks for your patience Guys!

@CarpentersMate

probably of little value to convert the frame rate in post using MEP? Does anyone know how much more?

If the file size at 59.94 bothers you Mike, try exporting at 29.97 (or indeed set your movie settings to 29.97 and click "do not adjust" when you bring in your first file to the timeline.

Do a test export and see how it looks. if there's no extreme motion, it will probably be OK.

This camera simply does not have the option for changing Frame Rate. I knew it was classified as an older affordable 'Pro-Sumer' model (but some of us), were actually disappointed/surprised to get this news. Its no matter... Its portable, easy to carry along and saved me hundreds of dollars. However, with the faster Frame Rate, it will take up more file space on the SD card and probably of little value to convert the frame rate in post using MEP? Does anyone know how much more?

Thanks for your patience Guys!

@CarpentersMate Hi, I think you're misunderstanding something, you might only have the 50p option but I don't believe that camera only films in 120p, everything I've read says 50p or 60p. but reading the link from where that Google pic you showed, it says "Able to record slow-motion in Full HD at up to 120 fps", in other words it's just a slow motion feature that can be set at if you want.

The link of specs where that picture above came from. https://www.panasonic.com/uk/consumer/cameras-camcorders/camcorders/hd-camcorders/hc-v770.specs.html

Youtube setting the camera

Hey Alwyn!

"If the file size at 59.94 bothers you"

With this particular project, most of the footage was either originally 720, 29.97 (after download), or was converted to 720. None of it is HD, nor faster than 29.97. 'Some' of it is an odd mixture of 25,23,30 and 29,(public domain news etc). Upon MAIN project export, would it be acceptable for MEP to export the lot into a final 90 minute piece?

Thank You

Hey There Gid!

Yes (thank you) I got the camera to use 29.97 (unless I'm missing something), the end result in REC MODE, choosing 'iFrame-MP4', also reduced the resolution to 960X540

When I went back to REC MODE and chose 'MP4-50MM' it returned to 1080 @ 59.94

What I gathered from a 20 minute Brutal Review, was that the camera, (although having a decent visual resolution), also possesses an annoying 'counter-intuitive' 'Menu' that isn't 100% accurate. Including a possible inability to adjust the audio level using an external Mic? We'll see? All isn't lost' I can always record the audio using Audacity on a separate PC (sync later), I do it all the time 😬 Its a straight shot interview ...

I've accepted the camera's quirks. My question now is: Since my material is an odd mixture of 25,23,30 and 29, (public domain news etc), would it be possible/acceptable for MEP to export/transfer the entire LOT into an MP4 @ 29.97 (do not adjust)? Or other suggestions ....😦 So sorry for the unexpected annoying complexities 😳

Thanks Loads!

Mike