Best resolution for a still from movie

1940 wrote on 7/26/2023, 11:57 PM

Hi

I have a MP4 PAL movie clip 3840x2160 Data Rate 95129 kbps Bit rate 96672 kbps 26 frames/sec

I want to take some single frames from it at the highest resolution I can get for printing.

How can I get the highest res?

Thank you

oz

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emmrecs wrote on 7/27/2023, 6:25 AM

@1940

The highest resolution you can get by taking still frame images from your video is the resolution of your video! Any upscaling needs to be done in an external "editor". (There are various programs that will do this, with different levels of "success" or "quality". My current favourite for this work is Topaz Labs Gigapixel AI, but it isn't cheap!)

HTH

Jeff
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AAProds wrote on 7/27/2023, 7:37 AM

@1940

In Movie Studio, it's 7680x4620. Export movie>Single Frame as JPEG or BMP, PNG

VPX may have a higher resolution.

As Jeff says, there'd be a fair amount of upscaling going on so whether the quality would be the best would be arguable.

All my forum comments are based on or refer to my System 1.

My struggle is over! I built my (now) system 2 in 2011 when DV was king and MPEG 2 was just coming onto the scene and I needed a more powerful system to cope. Since then we've advanced to MP4 and to bigger and bigger resolutions. I was really suffering, not so much in editing (with proxies) but in encoding, which just took ages. A video, with Neat Video noise reduction applied, would encode at 12% of film speed. My new system 1 does the same job at 160% of film speed. Marvellous. I'm keeping my old system as a capture station for analogue video tapes and DV.

System 1

Windows 11 v23H2 severely modified by Openshell and ExplorerPatcher

Power supply: 850W Cooler Master (should have got modular)

CPU: Intel i7 13700K running at 3400mhz, cooled by a Kraken 2x140mm All In One liquid cooler.

RAM: 64gb (2x32gb sticks) G.Skill "Ripjaws" DDR4 3200Mhz

GPU 1: iGPU UHD 770

GPU 2: NVidia RTX 3060Ti Windforce 8gb

C drive: NVME 500gb

Various other SSD and HDDs.

Monitor: 27"/68cm Samsung, 2560 x 1440, 43 pixels/cm.

MEP 2021 version 20.0.1.80

Movie Studio 2023 version 22.0.3.172

Magix Video Easy version 7.0.1.145

System 2

(Still in use for TV and videotape capture)

Windows 10 v22H2

CPU: i5-750 at 2670mhz with 12gb RAM

Onboard IEEE1394 (Firewire) port

GPU: ATI Radeon HD 4770 (512mb) which is ignored by MEP

Hard drives: C Drive 256gb SSD, various other HDDs.

Monitor: Dell 22"/56cm, 1680x1050, 35 pixels/cm

MEP 2021 version 20.0.1.80

Movie Studio 2023 version 22.0.3.172

VPX 12

johnebaker wrote on 7/27/2023, 7:47 AM

@1940

Hi Oz

. . . . I want to take some single frames from it at the highest resolution I can get for printing. . . .

Looking at his from a different perspective, how big a print are you aiming for?

I have exported at 3840 x 2160 px and had these professionally printed up to 24" x 18" x 3/4" (600 x 400 x 18 mm), cropped at the printing stage, on canvas (wrap around) with no loss of quality, .

John EB

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PC - running Windows 11 23H2 Professional on Intel i7-8700K 3.2 GHz, 16GB RAM, RTX 2060 6GB 192-bit GDDR6, 1 x 1Tb Sabrent NVME SSD (OS and programs), 2 x 4TB (Data) internal HDD + 1TB internal SSD (Work disc), + 6 ext backup HDDs.

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Former user wrote on 7/27/2023, 11:52 AM

Just to throw my penny in & ignoring any upscaling loss MMS will do 9600x5400

Former user wrote on 7/27/2023, 12:11 PM

Hi, just spoke to a friend of mine who owns a big printing company, I asked which resolution he would want if it was to be upscaled to poster size, "300dpi & we prefer to do the upscaling" was his reply, I asked what size ie length/width, he said "bigger the better" 🤦‍♂️😂🤷‍♂️ He then said he prefers the pic as pdf, raw (I've never really played with pdfs for photos) because jpg, png.. can be hard to upscale, 'text & the image don't always upscale correctly in jpg, png.."

Just sharing..

1940 wrote on 7/27/2023, 5:07 PM

Many thanks guys.

I need to print to a 2000x880 pull up banner and my regular images from PS, Corel Paint Pro or Corel Draw are via PDF, 300dpi.

I see the 9k option so will give it a shot later today.

Great help,  thanks again.

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PowerDirector 16, and 365
Video Pro X 17.0.3.68

SP. wrote on 7/27/2023, 6:05 PM

The necessary resolution definitely depends on whether the image can be seen from near or far. If you would place your image on a very large advertisement billboard it could be enough to use 50 dpi or even 20 dpi because you would only see it from far away.

If you stand right in front of such billboards you can easily see the individual dots.

AAProds wrote on 7/27/2023, 8:35 PM

@1940

I see the 9k option so will give it a shot later today.

In MMS 2023, I did try 9600x5400 just for stamps and for both BMP and JPEG I got a black frame. For the largest preset, 7680x4320, I got a proper image.

All my forum comments are based on or refer to my System 1.

My struggle is over! I built my (now) system 2 in 2011 when DV was king and MPEG 2 was just coming onto the scene and I needed a more powerful system to cope. Since then we've advanced to MP4 and to bigger and bigger resolutions. I was really suffering, not so much in editing (with proxies) but in encoding, which just took ages. A video, with Neat Video noise reduction applied, would encode at 12% of film speed. My new system 1 does the same job at 160% of film speed. Marvellous. I'm keeping my old system as a capture station for analogue video tapes and DV.

System 1

Windows 11 v23H2 severely modified by Openshell and ExplorerPatcher

Power supply: 850W Cooler Master (should have got modular)

CPU: Intel i7 13700K running at 3400mhz, cooled by a Kraken 2x140mm All In One liquid cooler.

RAM: 64gb (2x32gb sticks) G.Skill "Ripjaws" DDR4 3200Mhz

GPU 1: iGPU UHD 770

GPU 2: NVidia RTX 3060Ti Windforce 8gb

C drive: NVME 500gb

Various other SSD and HDDs.

Monitor: 27"/68cm Samsung, 2560 x 1440, 43 pixels/cm.

MEP 2021 version 20.0.1.80

Movie Studio 2023 version 22.0.3.172

Magix Video Easy version 7.0.1.145

System 2

(Still in use for TV and videotape capture)

Windows 10 v22H2

CPU: i5-750 at 2670mhz with 12gb RAM

Onboard IEEE1394 (Firewire) port

GPU: ATI Radeon HD 4770 (512mb) which is ignored by MEP

Hard drives: C Drive 256gb SSD, various other HDDs.

Monitor: Dell 22"/56cm, 1680x1050, 35 pixels/cm

MEP 2021 version 20.0.1.80

Movie Studio 2023 version 22.0.3.172

VPX 12

1940 wrote on 7/27/2023, 8:48 PM

Ah haaa. Will see if that happens to me too.

Dell 9020 Intel Core i5 4590 CPU 3.30Ghz 16GB Ram Nvidea Quadro K200
Dell T7500 Intel Xeon X5570@ 2.93 + 2.93 (2 Proc) Ram 48 GB Nvidea Quadro FX 5800
Dell T3600 E5-1620 4core 16GB Ram NVS 315
Win 10 Pro x64 21H2 on all
MEP 16 Plus,
MEP Premium 2017,
PowerDirector 16, and 365
Video Pro X 17.0.3.68

Former user wrote on 7/27/2023, 9:10 PM

 

I see the 9k option so will give it a shot later today.

In MMS 2023, I did try 9600x5400 just for stamps and for both BMP and JPEG I got a black frame. For the largest preset, 7680x4320, I got a proper image.

@AAProds Yep I get that with jpg, I was using png for 9600x5400

johnebaker wrote on 7/30/2023, 2:43 AM

@1940, @Former user

Hi

. . . . "we prefer to do the upscaling" . . . .

This is the best piece of advice I have heard from a commercial printer and I would let them do the upscaling if necessary.

. . . . 300dpi . . . .

And this, IMHO is the most confusing, they really mean PPI - the number of pixels per inch (vertically and horizontally) in a digital image

DPI has is meaningless when referring to digital image resolution - it is a printer resolution ie the number of ink drops per inch which are applied to the print medium ie paper, canvas, wet/dry transfers etc.

John EB

VPX 16, Movie Studio 2025, and earlier versions 2015 and 2016, Music Maker Premium 2024.

PC - running Windows 11 23H2 Professional on Intel i7-8700K 3.2 GHz, 16GB RAM, RTX 2060 6GB 192-bit GDDR6, 1 x 1Tb Sabrent NVME SSD (OS and programs), 2 x 4TB (Data) internal HDD + 1TB internal SSD (Work disc), + 6 ext backup HDDs.

Laptop - Lenovo Legion 5i Phantom - running Windows 11 23H2 on Intel Core i7-10750H, 16GB DDR4-SDRAM, 512GB SSD, 43.9 cm screen Full HD 1920 x 1080, Intel UHD 630 iGPU and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 (6GB GDDR6)

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AAProds wrote on 7/30/2023, 3:15 AM

@johnebaker

Arrrggghhhh! Canoscan!!

😀😀😀

All my forum comments are based on or refer to my System 1.

My struggle is over! I built my (now) system 2 in 2011 when DV was king and MPEG 2 was just coming onto the scene and I needed a more powerful system to cope. Since then we've advanced to MP4 and to bigger and bigger resolutions. I was really suffering, not so much in editing (with proxies) but in encoding, which just took ages. A video, with Neat Video noise reduction applied, would encode at 12% of film speed. My new system 1 does the same job at 160% of film speed. Marvellous. I'm keeping my old system as a capture station for analogue video tapes and DV.

System 1

Windows 11 v23H2 severely modified by Openshell and ExplorerPatcher

Power supply: 850W Cooler Master (should have got modular)

CPU: Intel i7 13700K running at 3400mhz, cooled by a Kraken 2x140mm All In One liquid cooler.

RAM: 64gb (2x32gb sticks) G.Skill "Ripjaws" DDR4 3200Mhz

GPU 1: iGPU UHD 770

GPU 2: NVidia RTX 3060Ti Windforce 8gb

C drive: NVME 500gb

Various other SSD and HDDs.

Monitor: 27"/68cm Samsung, 2560 x 1440, 43 pixels/cm.

MEP 2021 version 20.0.1.80

Movie Studio 2023 version 22.0.3.172

Magix Video Easy version 7.0.1.145

System 2

(Still in use for TV and videotape capture)

Windows 10 v22H2

CPU: i5-750 at 2670mhz with 12gb RAM

Onboard IEEE1394 (Firewire) port

GPU: ATI Radeon HD 4770 (512mb) which is ignored by MEP

Hard drives: C Drive 256gb SSD, various other HDDs.

Monitor: Dell 22"/56cm, 1680x1050, 35 pixels/cm

MEP 2021 version 20.0.1.80

Movie Studio 2023 version 22.0.3.172

VPX 12

johnebaker wrote on 7/30/2023, 3:29 AM

@AAProds

HI Al

. . . . Arrrrgh . . . .

😂😂😂 I rest my case re confusing units.

That should, in theory, give you a 1054 x 1072 pixel image which, when printed at 300 ppi, would give a 89.2 x 90.8 mm image on paper

John EB

VPX 16, Movie Studio 2025, and earlier versions 2015 and 2016, Music Maker Premium 2024.

PC - running Windows 11 23H2 Professional on Intel i7-8700K 3.2 GHz, 16GB RAM, RTX 2060 6GB 192-bit GDDR6, 1 x 1Tb Sabrent NVME SSD (OS and programs), 2 x 4TB (Data) internal HDD + 1TB internal SSD (Work disc), + 6 ext backup HDDs.

Laptop - Lenovo Legion 5i Phantom - running Windows 11 23H2 on Intel Core i7-10750H, 16GB DDR4-SDRAM, 512GB SSD, 43.9 cm screen Full HD 1920 x 1080, Intel UHD 630 iGPU and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 (6GB GDDR6)

Sony FDR-AX53e Video camera, DJI Osmo Action 3 and Sony HDR-AS30V Sports cams.