@Beardeboss

Hi,

Watch this tutorial. I do believe that I have answered this there...if you watch till the end.

John CB

Is there a modifer key that can be held down like control of alt or shift combo that allows to just select the audio only fade or vice versa video only fade?

Yes: hold down the ALT key then drag the appropriate handle. No need to ungroup. Only found that out experimenting just now.

@AAProds @Beardeboss @PATIENT-X @browj2

Hi Alwyn.

Is that with the audio on a separate track? I sometimes wonder if people choose to have the audio and video on a single track.

Ray.

@AAProds @CubeAce @Beardeboss

Hi,

I show this in the first tutorial on All Things Audio, at about 8:15. See the listing to jump to the topic.

Ray, I almost always use AV on separate tracks. In MEP, it's a must as you cannot mute just the audio part on a track, the image is also muted; VPX has separate buttons for muting audio and turning off video. And, I like to see what is happening with my audio, the waveform, approx. level, etc.

John CB

@Beardeboss, @browj2, @CubeAce, @AAProds

Hi John

. . . . In MEP, it's a must as you cannot mute just the audio part on a track, the image is also muted;  . . .

When Audio and Video are on a single track - Right click, Audio functions . . . . . gives access to the necessary volume options.

John EB

@johnebaker

Hi John,

Yes, that is by object, but you can't mute the audio for the track without also turning off the image.

As an example, in making my tutorials, I have audio with the screen capture. I turn it off when recording narration, back on when I want to hear what I said during the original recording. Can't do this in MEP unless AV is on separate tracks.

John CB

@browj2

Hi John

. . . . Yes, that is by object, but you can't mute the audio for the track without also turning off the image. . . . .

Agreed, the alternative for track level audio control, without separating out the audio, is the Mixer.

I can see where the different responses are coming from ie

1. . . . . Is there a way to fade the audio of a video track in just the audio? . . . .
   
   Which I think is the comment you were responding to - do correct me if this is not the case.
    
2. . . . .Like when I drag the fader on the edge of the clip it fades both Audio and Video. . . .
   
   Which is the comment I was responding to.

@AAProds - Hi Alwyn - another shortcut learned.

John EB

@AAProds

Good one Al!
I thought I could save it as an effect once done on one clip, and then apply it to another but I can't seem to reproduce that presently.

Peter

@AAProds

Hi Alwyn

Do you mean this handle?

I have enlarged the object to see the handles more clearly.

John EB

@Scenestealer

Hi Peter,

I showed this trick in the first tutorial (Fades and Transitions) posted above, just before Al's reply. It's the Bonus tip at 12:45 for anyone who wants to see how to make J and L cuts (the audio) and J and L transitions, without ungrouping AV.

For J & L cut transitions, the only thing that I didn't show was that you change the start or end of the transition by holding down Alt and dragging the upper handle of the transition. Even if the right clip is selected, as soon as you start trying to move the handle in the image with Alt held down, selection switches to the left clip.

Depending on which way you're going, one of the clips has to have been trimmed. AV has to be on separate tracks.

It's a transition, not an effect, so can neither be saved as an effect nor as a transition.

John CB

@johnebaker John, no, the fade handles (probably better defined as half-balls 🙂 which of course change to full balls when you drag them inward) on the ends of objects at the top.

I used the ALT trick for the first time in anger today: it's a ripper.

@AAProds

Hi Alwyn

That is what I suspected, however that only applies to the video portion, AFAICS there is no equivalent for the audio portion as @Beardeboss asked.

John EB

@johnebaker

With AV on separate tracks but still grouped, hold down Alt and drag the handle.

Please watch my tutorial again at the 12:45 mark - the Bonus for J and L cuts.

John CB

@johnebaker John, I read

just select the audio only fade or vice versa video only fade? or do you have to unlink the do the fade then relink eveytime?

as indicating that @Beardeboss was using the normal, separate-track display.

@browj2 Good job John, I remember trying to do a J (or L?) cut a while ago and it took me ages. I should have watched your tutes! 😀

@AAProds

Hi Alwyn

My bad, I misread your initial answer - should have eaten first - some need coffee mine is food!

John EB

@browj2 @AAProds

Hi John

I showed this trick in the first tutorial (Fades and Transitions) posted above, just before Al's reply. It's the Bonus tip at 12:45 for anyone who wants to see how to make J and L cuts (the audio) and J and L transitions, without ungrouping AV.

I was aware of how the J & L function worked as an Audio transition ie Crossfade but not as a fade, nor does either of your tutorials show that. It is logical however that as the Alt key effectively temporarily ungroups the AV you could do a fade only as well - so I missed that one. One slight glitch however seems to be that if you move the adjacent right clip away straight after, then a fade pops onto the video as well.

One way to prevent this is to use the group command after pulling the fade.

It's a transition, not an effect, so can neither be saved as an effect nor as a transition.

Are you implying that in audio terms a Fade of any sort is termed a transition? In MEP a visual fade is classed as an effect, and as such can be copied using the minus (-) key and pasted with Shift+ (-).

Another thing that is useful from playing around with the Alt J&L effect is to be able to crossfade the audio but fade the picture where there is a visual disturbance in the last few frames caused by moving the camera off the subject too quickly at the end of the take as you hit pause. With this you can create a longer softer audio effect using the audio that would be lost by trimming the whole clip.

Peter

@Scenestealer

Hi Peter,

I was aware of how the J & L function worked as an Audio transition ie Crossfade but not as a fade, nor does either of your tutorials show that. 

You're quite right, I didn't specifically show that by holding down the Alt key one could make a fade in. I was assuming too much, thinking that showing holding down the Alt key and moving the handle was enough explanation. Actually, It would have been better had I explained that holding down Alt releases the grouping, allowing one to make transitions, fades and moving the start/end points and handles of clips of the audio and video parts separately.

I will add this to the bonus tips of part 2. Anything wrong with the above?

Are you implying that in audio terms a Fade of any sort is termed a transition? In MEP a visual fade is classed as an effect, and as such can be copied using the minus (-) key and pasted with Shift+ (-).

Again, you're quite right, fades on images and videos can be copied and pasted as effects. However, the audio part cannot.

Put a fade-in on a video clip, with AV on separate tracks. Copy with "-" and paste on another video clips that has audio. In VPX, at least, the fade-in only goes on the video, not the audio. Try it again with AV on the same track. Same thing? Now Ctrl+H and you'll see that there is no fade-in on the audio.

Put 2 audio files on a track. Fade-in the first one, "-" and nothing shows in the list to be copied. Make a transition and do the same thing, nothing shows in the list.

Do you get the same results?

Part 3, the Trimmers, is going to be difficult as the audio part does not always seem to follow modifications to the fades and transitions.

John CB

@browj2

Hi John

. . . . and paste on another video clips that has audio. In VPX, at least, the fade-in only goes on the video, not the audio. . . . .

For all 3 items I get the same here.

However if you apply an audio effect eg Equalisation then this can be copied from one audio object to another.

There seems to be a subtle difference between video and audio in the definition of what is an effect, eg the Fade in/out is an effect for video and audio when linked.

However for any unlinked audio, including J and L cuts - it would appear that audio level is not classed as an effect - you can test this with a volume curve.

HTH

John EB

@johnebaker

Hi John EB,

I use copy/paste audio effects on all my narration (denoiser, dehisser).

However, fades on audio do not copy/paste linked or not to a video.

In MEP2021, try this Test 1:

1. Put 2 video clips with audio on separate tracks on the timeline (AV still grouped);
2. Put a fade-in on the video part of the first clip and it also puts this on the audio part.;
3. Copy fade effect ( - ) and paste it on the second AV object;
4. You get the fade-in on the video part, nothing on the audio.

Test 2:

1. Put 2 video clips with audio not on separate tracks on the timeline;
2. Put a fade-in on the first clip;
3. Copy fade effect ( - ) and paste it on the second AV object;
4. You get the fade-in on the video part but again, no fade-in on the audio;
5. Now do a Ctrl+H on the second clip, and, surprise surprise, the audio now has a fade-in.

Go figure.

John CB

@browj2

Hi John

Using MEP 2021

Test 1 - confirmed

Test 2 - confirmed as far as step 4 - I do not get a fade-in in step 5 - the audio remains a cut

As a double check, I also tested MEP 2016 - it does the same as your tests 1 and 2.

HTH

John EB