As those of us who have been through this with Vegas Pro can attest - you are going to have to be very patient.

Most of what they have accomplished is either under the hood (ie 64 bit) or just a new GUI (some people demanded this. Why, I don't know.) but it does lay the groundwork for future development and clearly they wouldn't invest heavily if they didn't intend to continue.

Guys - why so much negativity?
I think it was really a lot of work to make it 64bit. Probably a lot of tedious rewrite. If it wasn't this way Sony probably would do it 10 years ago.
This now is a restart. A new beginning. I think that Magix is seriuos about going forward with Acid. I may be wrong but I'm giving them a chance.
Of course Acid is behing many DAWs in funcionality. Nobody denying it. But for me it's still the fastest way to create some things. YMMV of course.
Other daws as well have their problems. For example first bitwig if I remember correctly didn't even have fade in/outs.
For sure Acid right now is not a program for huge orchestral work. Multitracked drums are also a bit of a problem etc. 
But when I have to prepare an intro for a gig, or some backing tracks, it is lighting fast. Still the best option for me. 
Everyone has his own workflow. I for example never use beatmapper. I'm oldschool, always chop by hand. Chop, render, fx, resample. You are probably different in this case so another daw may be better suited for you.
But because you are writing this I guess you still care - so try to give them a chance to improve.
At the end of a day daws are only the tools. We choose the tool we want to use. It is better to put emotions in creativity :)

I don't think you can justifiably stand there and say you were expecting more than the marketing material laid out. It's right there. So, the problem is you don't think Magix have done enough?

This was never going to be a full overhaul of the product to fix every single functional problem encountered. Also it would be wrong to expect Magix to invest years bringing the functional capability of the product up to scratch with the likes of Ableton, on its their first release. Magix have to first see if there's at least appetite. This is basic product development in 2018. Get something developed that is enough of a change to gauge what the customer feedback is, and see if it generates enough sales to look at supporting and developing in long-term.

My single biggest problem with AP7 or AMS10 was its constant crashing due to memory over allocation. I have a list as long as my arm of other changes that I want to see in place. But for this initial release, x64 support was perfect - sure there are bugs, but I have faith from the feedback I've seen from Magix that they will be fixed. And that's the other point, we now have someone actively taking feedback, bug fixing. For 10 years we have not.

I still use other DAWs. I find each has their strengths and weaknesses. Acid is no different. It's perfectly okay to have more than one tool in your toolkit.

ps. for transparency, I am a moderator, not a Magic employee. I bought Acid Pro with my own money. :-)

Hi @joe-a,

Welcome to the MAGIX community. Wow, what a first post!

I think in other communities where the same company hosts the website and developed the product you are talking about, you would have immediately banned or your post would have been hidden.

And even here it is an exception that I leave the discussion open (I just took the liberty to change some of your wording) because there is a lot of value coming from this discussion. Regardless, this is an official warning. In future posts, please keep in mind our community rules and not call MAGIX stupid or provoke in other ways.

Criticism is always welcome, it just depends how you do it.

I will get back to this post on monday, review the most important points in this discussion and forward that feedback to the ACID team. For now, please let me enjoy my free weekend. 😉

Have a great day!

For people like myself, have waited years for this, of course there is appetite for it! This is where I started, I am waiting for future updates, my major issue is mainly the background color. I can't see clearly to work fast. I could wait for the rest later but I am glad its back! As I have turned my studio around and everything is once again based around Acid Pro 8, I feel creative again.

So, please continue working on it. Thank you!

I think it was really a lot of work to make it 64bit. Probably a lot of tedious rewrite. If it wasn't this way Sony probably would do it 10 years ago.
This now is a restart. A new beginning. I think that Magix is seriuos about going forward with Acid. I may be wrong but I'm giving them a chance.

+1 This ACID Pro 8 release is all about re-booting ACID Pro after 10 years of neglect. First and foremost was to do bring the app into the 64 bit world. Build the foundation first, get it solid and everything can be built up from there. The last thing we need is to pile on a bunch of new buggy features on an unstable 64 bit platform. That would be a total disaster for this re-launch. Personally, my number feature request was to re-code ACID Pro for native 64 bit. Everything else is just gravy at this point. Keep up the great work Magix, looking forward to what the future brings to ACID Pro going forward once the dust has settled on the 32bit to 64bit transition.

Absolutely spot on William... The OP had zero credibility by the end of that rant...stating the biggest update was changing UI colours when it had gone through with it's biggest change ever with a move to 64 bit architecture.

Get it stable on 64 bit first and foremost then add features...this is the correct way to develop the application into the future.

So far I am very pleased with this version of ACID Pro... But I am also looking forward to seeing work flow and other improvements in future updates.

Am I correct to say that the new Acid loops are very cool as all sounds are available in seven different pitches?

Developing 'something new' from a product you've aquired from another company
requires one simple thing: THOUGHT.

Throwing resources and even more money at it w/out any feel for the segment
the product was in - and is in - would be fatal.
Of course you'd release a new Major (v8) to make it Yours and if i'm not mistaken..
.. it was a free upgrade, right ?

That alone should tell you, that MAGIX has some strategy and plans for the future
of ACID - depending on the reactions it receives/generates.

Once them data is in - you can dedicate resources, money and generate a path.
It's called "Doing Your Homework."
 

I MAGIX_Redaktion!

Hope your weekend was fine! I know you guys are working hard, no doubt and

MAGIX_Redaktion reading all comments is super!

I must add to my post that I will still be around to see what will come out of AP8 in the end...

But instead of what we want out of the product, what is the plan with AP8? I would love to see it evolve in the loop music making area for example! Because that's where I started and fell in love with AP

Regards

fdj

I had no great hopes in the upgrade from Acid Pro 7 to 8, other than more stability and better VST compatibility.

So far, I can say that Magix have exceeded my expectations. 64-bit seems to be very stable on my PC.

I have a few other DAWs I can use instead of Acid. I tend to reach for Acid when things need to get done quickly. Mapping out drums and rhythm parts, recording my guitar parts for writing (cut -up the parts into loops to experiment with arrangements).

This is the 4th Acid product I have owned, and I think Magix is doing fine with Acid Pro 8 so far.

There is no doubt at all that both Sonic Foundry and Sony horribly mismanaged ACID.  It was a revolution when it first appeared, and it was incredibly frustrating to watch the stumbling and bumbling of both companies who clearly had absolutely no idea of the direction the industry was heading. So many users on the old forum tried telling them but they just wouldn't listen.

I'm really glad Magix has updated it to work on modern systems.   Would love to have seen more features, but just glad to see a heartbeat at this stage.  Hope this is a first step and not the end of the road.

Magix didn't add many features to Acid, but I think it's worth it just to have a more stable and less crash-y version of Acid 7 that supports 64 plugins. Keep up the good work!

Well, I never use the word "legend" anywhere as it is misunderstood but I would say that Acid Pro as it started, was a legend DAW, I appreciated Magix for trying to revive it, I paid for the update, tried it, just didn't bring the feel back. I guess the dark GUI just finally killed any bit of interest. I lied to myself that I am getting into it, realized it was annoying to work in, so I have finally given up on a positive note.

Thank you, Magix for trying. I hope future updates will fix the faults but for now, I have moved on. Uninstalled.

I guess the dark GUI just finally killed any bit of interest.

There are some DAW comparisons floating around in the internet... ACID Pro 7 is often the only one with a quite light skin.. Ok that really seems to be quite a unique "feature" nowadays, and obviously anyone that used Acid Pro 7 in the last years has no problem with the light skin... but for many other people, the light skin of Acid was the first and even main point to avoid the application.

The ideal solution will be to offer at least two color schemes for ACID and make everyone happy ;)

Guess you dont remember that acid never had major revolutionary changes for new version numbers. basically every version people complain that not enough was added and its not a totally redesigned and revolutionary product. kinda naive and a bit egoist.

Guess you dont remember that acid never had major revolutionary changes for new version numbers. basically every version people complain that not enough was added and its not a totally redesigned and revolutionary product. kinda naive and a bit egoist.

AP8 is by far the biggest leap forward ever given to the product. My overarching expectation was for a proper 64-bit version, with everything else to follow. A lack of native 32 bit VST support was disappointing, but I have JBridge I suppose. The biggest horror was the interface, which is just revolting and a huge impediment. Thing is, I like AP. It's not quite the DAW many others are, and isn't quite the loop-based editor that some others are too. It's in a pleasant and flexible point in the middle, and I am happy with that.

Yes, There is some negativity, Some saying that AP8 can not be utilized as a Professional Music tool under their particular processing. I have tricks. Ten years or more back, I did not have much money, I scraped and went with out a few things, to purchase Sony Acid Pro 7, Here in the States, we were under a horrible recession. Acid Pro 7 was only 32 bit. Yet from this version, had created and produced ten albums, all on professional platforms and sales websites, literally one album a year. Acid Pro 7 was the work horse as far as arranging. Going back further about learning DAW systems. Back in exactly 1989, I was a keyboard player in a synth pop band project, the lead musician had taught me basics of using Cakewalk Pro Audio, Everything was drastically different in those days as far as MIDI, but in this band project, I learned basic digital music core fundamentals. Today DAWS have progressed and can perform many tasks. But traditional trained producers and professional stage musicians to this very day still use - three main KEY concepts about their music production and completely avert any kind of technical problems. You need to understand and start using these 3 critical issues as a starting point for your music production,

1) Your DAW system is not a full mastering company, but you can achieve professional mixing of your tracks. You need to consider purchasing a stand alone MASTERING software. Mixing and Mastering are entirely TWO separate duties, many can make really good music yet many can not do professional mastering, there are two different professions here.

2) Despite what the package says of any DAW, and how they even may elaborate these functions...Learn to be a old school electronic music maker. The DAW is just a recording tool, you play your music organically and then use the DAW to run your performance into a CHANNEL track, For all the wild and creative FX, all the crafty tricks you think you have, you use your Instruments to do this, not the tracking software. You will find, that when do these adjustments in your softsynth instead of in the DAW work area, things will work much smoother for you.

3) Never trust your DAW to perform a full 'LIVE' concert set. Example: I use a VST Host software thats opens in multiple instances, each instance can be saved to the exact parameters of the softsynth instrument you have set up, so if you have six midi keyboard controllers, you can set up six multiple VSTi for each of the controllers you have, per song( all playing a entirely different synth- Massive in one, Serum in another, Roland tr 808 in the third. Etc) So on a stage performance, you will have each controller 'live' and independent, this can also be in the studio setting. Only use the DAW to record each CHANNEL track, like you would have a singer be isolated, this is time tested process of recording - back before there was DAW, musicians recorded reel to reel, the drummer was isolated, recording just drum line, the guitarists, each guitar, bass, rhythm, lead and so on all had to record using this process, they rewind the tape, then record the next play over the top. If you think of using your DAW this way, you are going to kick butt. But a DAW is a RECORDING tool, not a LIVE JAM host. For live performance, I do not use my DAW at all. I recorded full wav files of the songs i want as a set on stage as backer tracks, the parts i intend on playing live are muted ( many people want to perform songs they have on a album that has been previously released). I have DJ software that i run a my pre arranged 'live show' backer tracks in and then over that, i have my 'live' performance host set up. It is this process you need to figure out how to do if you intend to play out. I almost warranty 100% from any DAW, from any POWER of computers ..no matter how much you tried prevent a series of things that can go wrong on stage ..will happen to you if you use a DAW to play a 'LIVE' set. NEVER USE YOUR DAW exclusively to perform a live gig. Everyone has had this, no matter what you used, "Drop Out" "Errors" " FREEZING"..or the DREADED (Not Responding)

I learned how to employ these three concepts into my music creation using ACID PRO 7. My vst host has a wav file record function, what ever i play on my controllers, i make direct wav files of - LOOPS, which i import into Acid, So i entirely bypass the midi record thing, Acid pro does have rewire, which I export to a notature software, thus creating sheet music. You can also bounce your song as STEMS, which is a option other daws brag about, This is a Magix site, but for your MASTERING solutions, to get the best sound of your songs as a home producer - Magix doesnt have this type product so its not really counter productive. I use Izotope Ozone 8 ( as a stand alone). I just mix my songs in AP8, its the best arranger you will find , then i drop the mixed as a wav file <- most important, set all your music files as WAV, I then import that mixed WAV into Izotope Ozone, to do the mastering, from there you can get the loudness, richness and the professional mastering of your songs. You must know that mixing and mastering are TWO different processes. To me, fancy looking DAWs are not that important, I know players want to look cool. This can be the fourth of key issues. No One..in your audience is going to 'SEE' what your DAW is...and it is a very small percent, like 99.9%, no one in your audience is even going to know a single thing about DAW software-they have never seen one. Most negative things come from someone who had all those OTHER companies flashy advertising in mind , they must have a great GUI, all these Showing Off attributes, which really is not that important, because, no one of who you want to impress will ever see your computer monitor .... People go to a concert to see you playing a instrument..not you ticking away at your computer. People have this thing though..they MUST be SEEN using things like APPLE or with the best newest software. Get past this...you may just go places you can brag about.

I used to think, that musicians who knew how to make music at home also knew how to perform live, come to find out the mass majority of players on all the digital music platforms, hasn't a clue of how to take their music to a stage, this kind of process is a absolute must if these bands want to be successful, They have to be seen on stages ..acquire some kind stage presence, which is entirely a whole other science than just making a song. The planet has about 9 billion people on it, 3.5 billion of those people play music of some form ..The real truth of this is your chances of being a pro level, grammy winner ...is about 3,500,000,000 to 1 - No matter what software you are using, BUT, your chances improve drastically when you go from being a single man band home project hobby, when you can find several good looking friends to pretend they can play a keyboard on your stage set, they may not know a single note, your music is off backer tracks. Any venue will not roster you if you just stand there as one person on a laptop...you need to get people, if anything, to be like a model, to make it appear you have a band. these stand ins can be trained to smile and wave and look good to your audience. This is the key ingredient ... I BS you not, you can even suck bad, but if you have a good stage presence,. you will go places.

Yes, There is some negativity, Some saying that AP8 can not be utilized as a Professional Music tool under their particular processing. I have tricks. Ten years or more back, I did not have much money, I scraped and went with out a few things, to purchase Sony Acid Pro 7, Here in the States, we were under a horrible recession. Acid Pro 7 was only 32 bit. Yet from this version, had created and produced ten albums, all on professional platforms and sales websites, literally one album a year. Acid Pro 7 was the work horse as far as arranging. Going back further about learning DAW systems. Back in exactly 1989, I was a keyboard player in a synth pop band project, the lead musician had taught me basics of using Cakewalk Pro Audio, Everything was drastically different in those days as far as MIDI, but in this band project, I learned basic digital music core fundamentals. Today DAWS have progressed and can perform many tasks. But traditional trained producers and professional stage musicians to this very day still use - three main KEY concepts about their music production and completely avert any kind of technical problems. You need to understand and start using these 3 critical issues as a starting point for your music production,

1) Your DAW system is not a full mastering company, but you can achieve professional mixing of your tracks. You need to consider purchasing a stand alone MASTERING software. Mixing and Mastering are entirely TWO separate duties, many can make really good music yet many can not do professional mastering, there are two different professions here.

2) Despite what the package says of any DAW, and how they even may elaborate these functions...Learn to be a old school electronic music maker. The DAW is just a recording tool, you play your music organically and then use the DAW to run your performance into a CHANNEL track, For all the wild and creative FX, all the crafty tricks you think you have, you use your Instruments to do this, not the tracking software. You will find, that when do these adjustments in your softsynth instead of in the DAW work area, things will work much smoother for you.

3) Never trust your DAW to perform a full 'LIVE' concert set. Example: I use a VST Host software thats opens in multiple instances, each instance can be saved to the exact parameters of the softsynth instrument you have set up, so if you have six midi keyboard controllers, you can set up six multiple VSTi for each of the controllers you have, per song( all playing a entirely different synth- Massive in one, Serum in another, Roland tr 808 in the third. Etc) So on a stage performance, you will have each controller 'live' and independent, this can also be in the studio setting. Only use the DAW to record each CHANNEL track, like you would have a singer be isolated, this is time tested process of recording - back before there was DAW, musicians recorded reel to reel, the drummer was isolated, recording just drum line, the guitarists, each guitar, bass, rhythm, lead and so on all had to record using this process, they rewind the tape, then record the next play over the top. If you think of using your DAW this way, you are going to kick butt. But a DAW is a RECORDING tool, not a LIVE JAM host. For live performance, I do not use my DAW at all. I recorded full wav files of the songs i want as a set on stage as backer tracks, the parts i intend on playing live are muted ( many people want to perform songs they have on a album that has been previously released). I have DJ software that i run a my pre arranged 'live show' backer tracks in and then over that, i have my 'live' performance host set up. It is this process you need to figure out how to do if you intend to play out. I almost warranty 100% from any DAW, from any POWER of computers ..no matter how much you tried prevent a series of things that can go wrong on stage ..will happen to you if you use a DAW to play a 'LIVE' set. NEVER USE YOUR DAW exclusively to perform a live gig. Everyone has had this, no matter what you used, "Drop Out" "Errors" " FREEZING"..or the DREADED (Not Responding)

I learned how to employ these three concepts into my music creation using ACID PRO 7. My vst host has a wav file record function, what ever i play on my controllers, i make direct wav files of - LOOPS, which i import into Acid, So i entirely bypass the midi record thing, Acid pro does have rewire, which I export to a notature software, thus creating sheet music. You can also bounce your song as STEMS, which is a option other daws brag about, This is a Magix site, but for your MASTERING solutions, to get the best sound of your songs as a home producer - Magix doesnt have this type product so its not really counter productive. I use Izotope Ozone 8 ( as a stand alone). I just mix my songs in AP8, its the best arranger you will find , then i drop the mixed as a wav file <- most important, set all your music files as WAV, I then import that mixed WAV into Izotope Ozone, to do the mastering, from there you can get the loudness, richness and the professional mastering of your songs. You must know that mixing and mastering are TWO different processes. To me, fancy looking DAWs are not that important, I know players want to look cool. This can be the fourth of key issues. No One..in your audience is going to 'SEE' what your DAW is...and it is a very small percent, like 99.9%, no one in your audience is even going to know a single thing about DAW software-they have never seen one. Most negative things come from someone who had all those OTHER companies flashy advertising in mind , they must have a great GUI, all these Showing Off attributes, which really is not that important, because, no one of who you want to impress will ever see your computer monitor .... People go to a concert to see you playing a instrument..not you ticking away at your computer. People have this thing though..they MUST be SEEN using things like APPLE or with the best newest software. Get past this...you may just go places you can brag about.

I used to think, that musicians who knew how to make music at home also knew how to perform live, come to find out the mass majority of players on all the digital music platforms, hasn't a clue of how to take their music to a stage, this kind of process is a absolute must if these bands want to be successful, They have to be seen on stages ..acquire some kind stage presence, which is entirely a whole other science than just making a song. The planet has about 9 billion people on it, 3.5 billion of those people play music of some form ..The real truth of this is your chances of being a pro level, grammy winner ...is about 3,500,000,000 to 1 - No matter what software you are using, BUT, your chances improve drastically when you go from being a single man band home project hobby, when you can find several good looking friends to pretend they can play a keyboard on your stage set, they may not know a single note, your music is off backer tracks. Any venue will not roster you if you just stand there as one person on a laptop...you need to get people, if anything, to be like a model, to make it appear you have a band. these stand ins can be trained to smile and wave and look good to your audience. This is the key ingredient ... I BS you not, you can even suck bad, but if you have a good stage presence,. you will go places.

So, you like AP8?

I like the DAW/Loop compromise. It is weirdly more flexible.

I'm a first generation DAW Acid Pro Power user. I've been using Acid going back to Sonic Foundry 1999?. The first time I heard and saw it in my friends keyboard midi studio I saw my whole life change. I kid you not. he called up the coolest sounding drum loop and I was blown away "What is That{"? I didn't even have a computer much less know anything about computer recording....but I was going to learn, fast. Within Two weeks I had a computer and a sound card I think it was Darla from echo. Hell it didn't even have a CD burner. I remember I bought a fast one with 4x's writing speed and installed it myself (A major operation at that skill level lol)

To this day all other programs seem like work compared to using Acid. It still excites me. I was thrilled when Sony made it a full blown DAW because the constant importing and exporting back and forth from Vegas was getting tedious.

Again I was thrilled that Magix has picked this neglected program back up and while yes there are some glitches they have improved the sound quality as well.I threw my money down immediately, not expecting a new perfected platform but to send the message that we will support the company as they take the time to bring it up to today's expectations on the DAW end. I dig the new plugins although I find if I run more than one instance of the vocal channel it will crash violently.....so I don't do that. I route the tracks I need to an FX bus. I rarely put plugins directly on the track itself.

I've produced numerous albums and most recently scored a Musical Play for a client in my studio (True North Music Productions) called the 420 Police. This is being rolled out Nationally on Facebook and Instagram. Music and Merchandise. I do/did the mastering in a separate program like a previous user stated. I started the play in Pro 7 and finished in Pro8,. The MM Promoter used Distrokid for distribution. If you're not familiar they handle everyone from Ludacris to Dweezil Zappa and about 2 Million others. They came back with a sound quality rating of 10 out of 10 for The 420 Police........all 13 Songs. I'm not saying it the greatest but I will tell you I had a smile on my face for days because the sound Quality is. THey didn't know what DAW I used, they didn't care.

I have faith that Magix understands the power of this program and its potential. Are there some bugs that need to be worked out.....you bet. Particularly VST plugins and Pleeeease get Toontrack EzDrummer to work in the 64bit version. I'm still using the 32bit version because of these issues.

If anyone's curious here's a link to the 420 Police:

https://m.facebook.com/420policefans/

That's my Mug with the guitar. The play was written by Sam Fischback. I brought it to life for him using Acid Pro8.

I do not or have not ever worked for Sonic Foundry, Sony or Magix....but I would love to endorse Magix Professionally.

If the song or the execution sucks you could be in a Ten Million dollar studio and it won't matter. If you're creative Acid gives you the best work flow to do just that. I am currently using 3 monitors. I break the mixer off to the left, center is the main GUI and to the right I have explore, Toontrack or whatever else I need. I have everything Toontrack makes as it mates with acid perfectly and a 60gig loop collection that's growing again thanks to splice.

I went to school at GIT in the eighties and the greatest thing I learned there was on the first day Les Wise said "if it sounds good, it is good". Don't overthink it.

I had been using ACID Pro since the very first version, but a few years ago switched to Mixcraft as the closest in workflow - but it still didn't map tempo and key changes as well as ACID did. Having loads of 64-bit VSTs, NI plugins and Waves VSTs meant I had to eventually bail on AP7.

For me this version seems like coming home again. It works great on my laptop - it's very stable. I love how it organised all of my plugins (hundreds of them) into vendor/type. VST3 support not quite there yet, but everything I need to work, works very well. Haven't really explored the packaged plugins that come with the product yet - but if they are every bit as good as the old sonic foundry/sony one's of the past then I will be very happy.

Have been waiting a LONG time for this - and I'm glad I gave the product the benefit of the doubt. I was swayed by being offered 3 months for a £1 (absolute bargain). Think I'll but the full version once the trail is up, rather than taking the 365 version.

Could we have more Key/Chord/Midi FX generators in a future release? Something in the spirit of Scaler or EZKeys built in would be fantastic.

Thank you to Magix - keep up the good work.