Very very very slow rendering - No hardware accelration

lousygamer wrote on 8/4/2017, 2:23 AM

Hi ,

I was exporting my videos after applying some effects (brightness , sharpeness) and for a 1 min 40 sec video (1920 X 1080) 29 FPS, when I start my export, the estimated time shows 1hr 30 mins and it does take that much of time. I have 30 mins and 1 hr video to render and I don't want to start it as it will take a day to render. Need some help here. The issue is the rendering was faster last time and this has changed suddenly. I did buy the "Latest" version of Magix (2017) since it was advertised as SAVE SAVE SAVE. I had the issue with slow rendering and now I uninstalled the newer version and back to old version and still the same.!

 

My system specs:

Magix version: Movie Edit Pro 2016 Plus

OS: Windows 10 home edition

Processor: Intel(R) Core (TM) i5-6500 CPU @ 3.2Ghz, 3201 Mhz, 4 core(s)

RAM: 8GB

Video: GeForce GTX 760, NVIDIA compatible

Motherboard: ASUS Z170-P

I am not technically inclined and appreciate if you could please assist me.
 

Thanks a lot in advance.

Sravana

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yvon-robert wrote on 8/4/2017, 2:12 PM

Hi,

you have an i5 processor and 8 gig memory plus adding color correction effets. To run faster proceesing you can add more memory an ssd hard drive because Windows 10 require more memory. Also you can cut or use effet only is need, less work for the cpu. To run faster, clean your computer, run only applications or software.necessary to work. Video r endering time is function the work you need todo and the computer you use.

Regards,

YR

lousygamer wrote on 8/7/2017, 3:56 AM

Thanks a lot for your response. I will definitely upgrade my computer. Just wanted to know - When I upgrade it to SSD, is it necessary to load both OS and the Magix program to SSD? Also, just curious why the hardware acceleration is not being used even when I checked the option when I selected Export to MP4.

 

Thanks again for your response, really appreciate it!

Sravana

yvon-robert wrote on 8/7/2017, 9:00 AM

Hi,

Normally SSD hard drive content programs and work 6 time faster. In my computer to open Windows it take 16 seconds with a SSD and before over 1 minute and half after calculation 90 divide by 16 is 5 time faster. When you buy a SSD it come with a special software Acronis to make a mirror of your old hard disk.

Hardware acceleration is mostly use by game software (3D) require too much development for video software that is the reason Magix not use it.

Regards,

YR  

mschagen wrote on 8/7/2017, 11:45 AM

I'm afraid changing your harddisk to an SSD will not help you. An SSD makes starting programs quite a bit faster, but it doesn't do much for rendering or video editing.

The time required is ridiciously long, so there must be something wrong with your system or the configuration. The hardware specs themselves look fine to me, no need to spend more money on hardware.

Is the PC also slow with other programs or activities or is it just rendering that is slow?

If it's just rendering, have you tried resetting the configuration settings of vdl (there is a menu item which allows you to do that)?

What happens if you reset all effects in the testclip and render? There might be a remnant of an affect without visual effect but which still requires vdl to do it's calculations.

Is in the hardware bios the built in GPU of intel activated? vdl realy needs it but it might be disabled because you have a dedicated graphics card (which vdl hardly uses).

I hope you will find some clue to the cause.

johnebaker wrote on 8/7/2017, 3:51 PM

Hi

Do you have the Intel integrated graphics disabled?

There is an issue with many NVIdia cards and hardware acceleration which is caused but NVidia dropping CUDA support from their drivers.

See my reply and the result in this topic which refers to a different model GTX with the same problem.

HTH

John EB

 

VPX 16, Movie Studio 2025, and earlier versions 2015 and 2016, Music Maker Premium 2024.

PC - running Windows 11 23H2 Professional on Intel i7-8700K 3.2 GHz, 16GB RAM, RTX 2060 6GB 192-bit GDDR6, 1 x 1Tb Sabrent NVME SSD (OS and programs), 2 x 4TB (Data) internal HDD + 1TB internal SSD (Work disc), + 6 ext backup HDDs.

Laptop - Lenovo Legion 5i Phantom - running Windows 11 23H2 on Intel Core i7-10750H, 16GB DDR4-SDRAM, 512GB SSD, 43.9 cm screen Full HD 1920 x 1080, Intel UHD 630 iGPU and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 (6GB GDDR6)

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Scenestealer wrote on 8/7/2017, 5:57 PM

Hi

I totally agree with @mschagen's comments. There is very little to be gained in MEP general functioning with an SSD in your system, with consumer video formats (H.264 / H.265 MPEG4, MPEG2, etc.) in the timeline, and there will be no gain in export rendering speed. There may be a slight improvement if you were using Professional lowly compressed high data rate formats in the order of several 100 Mbits/sec and multi PinP's.

I am at odds with @johnebaker's comments about Nvidia cards. I have not seen evidence anywhere that Cuda can be used for HW accelerated export rendering in MEP or VPX, supported drivers or not, except for legacy cards up to GTX5xx. This is because the encoders in MEP/VPX cannot utilise the chipsets on later series cards.

Using Intel Quick Sync HW encoding is the only practical way to appreciably speed up export so check an Intel GPU is available on your processor and enabled. It should show up in Windows Device Manager along side your Nvidia display adapter if it is functioning.

HW export time will vary depending on the effects you have applied to the clips in your project and sharpening is one which is very processing intensive. Also, some like Mercalli Pro Stabiliser are only able to be processed by the CPU and as such can overload the CPU and reduce the other effects ability to concurrently process on the GPU.

However Your export times stated seem unduly long even without HWA as @mschagen has mentioned, so I would check there is not something out of whack with your system or installation of MEP.

Ss

 

System Specs: Intel 6th Gen i7 6700K 4Ghz O.C.4.6GHz, Asus Z170 Pro Gaming MoBo, 16GB DDR4 2133Mhz RAM, Samsung 850 EVO 512GB SSD system disc WD Black 4TB HDD Video Storage, Nvidia GTX1060 OC 6GB, Win10 Pro 2004, MEP2016, 2022 (V21.0.1.92) Premium and prior, VPX7, VPX12 (V18.0.1.85). Microsoft Surface Pro3 i5 4300U 1.9GHz Max 2.6Ghz, HDGraphics 4400, 4GB Ram 128GB SSD + 64GB Strontium Micro SD card, Win 10Pro 2004, MEP2015 Premium.

johnebaker wrote on 8/8/2017, 4:00 AM

Hi

@Scenestealer

. . . . I am at odds with @johnebaker's comments about Nvidia cards . . . .

IMHO we are actually singing from the same sheet, just out of tune over the reason why modern NVidia cards do not work. 😁

My post was referring to the need to turn on or enable the Intel integrated graphics to see if HWA was available, of course as you quite rightly say rendering can be very slow depending on the combination of objects, effects etc even with HWA.

I also agree with you and @mschagen that SSD drives will not improve performance for rendering etc. Sure they will load programs quicker however in reality they only save seconds.

Cheers

John EB

 

 

VPX 16, Movie Studio 2025, and earlier versions 2015 and 2016, Music Maker Premium 2024.

PC - running Windows 11 23H2 Professional on Intel i7-8700K 3.2 GHz, 16GB RAM, RTX 2060 6GB 192-bit GDDR6, 1 x 1Tb Sabrent NVME SSD (OS and programs), 2 x 4TB (Data) internal HDD + 1TB internal SSD (Work disc), + 6 ext backup HDDs.

Laptop - Lenovo Legion 5i Phantom - running Windows 11 23H2 on Intel Core i7-10750H, 16GB DDR4-SDRAM, 512GB SSD, 43.9 cm screen Full HD 1920 x 1080, Intel UHD 630 iGPU and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 (6GB GDDR6)

Sony FDR-AX53e Video camera, DJI Osmo Action 3 and Sony HDR-AS30V Sports cams.

Scenestealer wrote on 8/8/2017, 6:58 AM

Thanks John.......'tis clear.

Also from @OBVideos quote from Magix Support's response in the Post you linked to:-

Support claims that it works best with a processor that's got 'Integrated Graphics"

"Please keep in mind that Video Pro X's performance can dramatically improve along Intel's Quick Sync technology. Hardware acceleration/encoding is also available only under Intel graphics. I would therefore strongly recommend to purchase one of the modern Intel processors which feature integrated graphics."

Peter

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System Specs: Intel 6th Gen i7 6700K 4Ghz O.C.4.6GHz, Asus Z170 Pro Gaming MoBo, 16GB DDR4 2133Mhz RAM, Samsung 850 EVO 512GB SSD system disc WD Black 4TB HDD Video Storage, Nvidia GTX1060 OC 6GB, Win10 Pro 2004, MEP2016, 2022 (V21.0.1.92) Premium and prior, VPX7, VPX12 (V18.0.1.85). Microsoft Surface Pro3 i5 4300U 1.9GHz Max 2.6Ghz, HDGraphics 4400, 4GB Ram 128GB SSD + 64GB Strontium Micro SD card, Win 10Pro 2004, MEP2015 Premium.

tonytoes wrote on 8/23/2017, 2:53 PM

first review all of the setting mentioned in this video then please under stand that Hevc h.265 is for future hardware and added payed plugin to pc and mac to view ..i did 25 videos of old home movies in hecv .. Buy no one can see them because there systems do not have the needed payed plugin ...forget about telling them where to get ....i took me two months to get done from 720x480 to a 1980x1280 zoom in style edit....the process time for each movie 30 minute clip was 34 hrs each..mep pro 2017 plus...

on a win10 home intel core i7-2600@3.40ghz 12 ram 1tb black hard drive at 700 gb free status . to a usb3.0 scandisk. 4tb drive at 3.7tb free space gtx 750ti

 

.i did notice using my system performance monitor live view my mep2017pp stopped responding and quickly responded like a strobe light ..

tonytoes wrote on 8/23/2017, 3:25 PM

i was able to use the Batch conversion feature of mep2017pp to re encode the movies to mpeg4 best q in about 8 days nonstop it took longer because i was multitasking on the same pc everyday

 

tonytoes wrote on 8/23/2017, 5:51 PM

this will all change after windows update september or october

 

lousygamer wrote on 8/23/2017, 7:42 PM

Thanks a lot for your help everyone. I will look into the video to speed up my windows. Could you please share any video on how to change the video encoder to intel. I did go in to BIOS setting but I can't find any. I googled and couldn't find any info to show me how I can change it.

Thanks again and definitely a great help.

Sravana

johnebaker wrote on 8/24/2017, 3:25 AM

Hi

. . . . please under stand that Hevc h.265 is for future hardware and added payed plugin to pc and mac to view ..i did 25 videos of old home movies in hecv .. Buy no one can see them because there systems do not have the needed payed plugin . . .

The free video player VLC has had h.265 (x.265) support since Feb 2015, and is a very popular player because of its ability to play almost any video format - it has its own built in codecs.

For HEVC work

. . . . on a win10 home intel core i7-2600@3.40ghz 12 ram 1tb black hard drive at 700 gb free status . to a usb3.0 scandisk. 4tb drive at 3.7tb free space gtx 750ti . . . .

There are a several issues here causing the long render times: -

  1. the PC is below minimum specification for working with Full HD video and HEVC
     
  2. there is no HWA support in the Intel i7-2600 integrated graphics, you need at least an Intel i5 or i7 4xxx processor for this
     
  3. if you are exporting direct to the USB drive you are compounding the problem due to the low data rate of USB 3 compared to that of exporting to an internal SATA hard drive

    If you can render to the internal hard drive - SATA hard drive transfer data rates are up to 10 x that of USB 3's theoretical maximum

HTH

John EB

VPX 16, Movie Studio 2025, and earlier versions 2015 and 2016, Music Maker Premium 2024.

PC - running Windows 11 23H2 Professional on Intel i7-8700K 3.2 GHz, 16GB RAM, RTX 2060 6GB 192-bit GDDR6, 1 x 1Tb Sabrent NVME SSD (OS and programs), 2 x 4TB (Data) internal HDD + 1TB internal SSD (Work disc), + 6 ext backup HDDs.

Laptop - Lenovo Legion 5i Phantom - running Windows 11 23H2 on Intel Core i7-10750H, 16GB DDR4-SDRAM, 512GB SSD, 43.9 cm screen Full HD 1920 x 1080, Intel UHD 630 iGPU and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 (6GB GDDR6)

Sony FDR-AX53e Video camera, DJI Osmo Action 3 and Sony HDR-AS30V Sports cams.