Complete songs generated using AI

PATIENT-X wrote on 7/1/2024, 4:25 PM
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Hello everybody 

I and the Moderators have noticed that some users are uploading entire songs created with AI software.

Uploading AI-generated music violates the Community Rules, Section 4, first section.

"The media section within the community offers you the opportunity to share your creations...."

This refers to user creations that were basically created using the Magix Music software.

If too many users start to upload fully A.I generated music using a third party app or non Magix software, then it is no longer a platform for Magix Music creations.

It is understandable that such generated A.I music is quite impressive, but at the same time it is not actually created by the user from scratch which does not deserve merit or feedback comments from users in the Community.

Please do not upload music created by A.I as it is non-creative music and spoils it for other users in the Community who use the Magix software to share their own creations.

Mir und den Moderatoren ist aufgefallen, dass einige Benutzer ganze Songs hochladen, die mit KI-Software erstellt wurden.

Das Hochladen von KI-generierter Musik verstößt gegen die Community-Regeln, Abschnitt 4, erster Abschnitt.

„Der Medienbereich innerhalb der Community bietet Ihnen die Möglichkeit, Ihre Kreationen zu teilen …“

Hierbei handelt es sich um Benutzerkreationen, die grundsätzlich mit der Software Magix Music erstellt wurden.

Wenn zu viele Benutzer anfangen, vollständig KI-generierte Musik mit einer Drittanbieter-App oder Nicht-Magix-Software hochzuladen, dann ist es keine Plattform mehr für Magix-Musikkreationen.

Es ist verständlich, dass solch generierte KI-Musik ziemlich beeindruckend ist, aber gleichzeitig wird sie nicht wirklich vom Benutzer von Grund auf erstellt, was keine Verdienste oder Feedback-Kommentare von Benutzern in der Community verdient.

Bitte laden Sie keine von A.I. erstellte Musik hoch, da es sich um nicht kreative Musik handelt und sie anderen Benutzern in der Community, die die Magix-Software verwenden, um ihre eigenen Kreationen zu teilen, schadet.

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PATIENT-X wrote on 7/1/2024, 5:09 PM

Hi, just to make everyone understand, a full song with vocals and music generated using A.I is not created, so therefore you are not sharing your creations and is not permitted?

This is a platform for music created by Magix Software.

Hallo, nur um es allen verständlich zu machen, ein vollständiger Song mit Gesang und Musik, der mit KI generiert wurde, wird nicht erstellt, daher teilen Sie Ihre Kreationen nicht und ist dies nicht gestattet?  

Dies ist eine Plattform für Musik, die von Magix Software erstellt wurde.

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Paulo.Costa wrote on 7/1/2024, 7:17 PM

I completely agree, because Artificial Intelligence is exactly what it says: something separate, that is, another thinking head that is not that of the original artist, because a mind that does not invent its own vocal melody or music cannot utilizes its full potential. That's why I like that Magix Music Maker leaves free space for the artist's imagination and not the imagination of a machine. Very good. Goodnight.

franco-galateo wrote on 7/2/2024, 2:45 AM

Got the message, thanks

Franco

MuBike-Dummy wrote on 7/2/2024, 5:13 AM

As long as the uploaded audio content is labeled as AI generated, it could be ok for me, because I know at least some, most probably more members on this platform do not use MMM DAWs or Samplitude DAWs creating and distributing audio tracks here...

You can hear a lot of tracks in this forum created for instance with Ableton and Presonus Studio One, etc.

Maybe it is a good idea to implement a filter, which avoids uploading audio data not created with Magix products.

So we can better compare, what can be achived ONLY with Magix products...

On the other hand it is quite interesting and mind blowing, what audio files/results can be created with other DAWs than Magix!

BR

Matthias

 

PATIENT-X wrote on 7/2/2024, 5:43 AM

@MuBike-Dummy @Paulo.Costa

Matthias you said......"You can hear a lot of tracks in this forum created for instance with Ableton and Presonus Studio One, etc"

Paulo you said....."That's why I like that Magix Music Maker leaves free space for the artist's imagination and not the imagination of a machine"

Thank you for your responses, Matthias we had discussed with the most recent previous Community Manager who has left Magix, of users who not only owned Magix products but also owned other DAW's like the products above you mentioned and were uploading their creations to this site.

It was the idea for Magix to simply hear the competition and get some feedback why users use other software and how could Magix make their music software better.

As we do not have a new Community Manager yet I don't think this subject is followed as much and there does not seem to be any restrictions on uploading music created with said DAWS you mention.

Matthias you said ......Maybe it is a good idea to implement a filter, which avoids uploading audio data not created with Magix products"

That's a great idea, but they would probably need an a.i program to carry out such tasks lol, it's obvious a.i is going to be present in many ways.

Paulo yes music created in general by the user is more fun and creative and yet technology in music creation is changing including the creation of videos, it's becoming more simplified and instant to create a song, it may sound excellent and make you feel good, but the thing is the user never spent a lot of time creating it, they did not learn the structure of music, to me that's a short lived feeling or experience with no real purpose, except to enjoy an artificial machines outcome, not a human one.

We must remember that this platform was originally created to allow users of Magix products to showcase their musical creations to gain feedback and any tips to improve.

Some users and product owners of Magix software as stated ventured into trying out competitors DAW'S which they also found exciting, but in this case the music was still created by a human being and not a machine.

So however we may look at it and the ever changes in music creation software, this site still remains a platform for actually creating music from scratch.

Thank you

Stephen 😊

Ich entschuldige mich, wenn die Übersetzung nicht korrekt ist.

Matthias, du hast gesagt...... „In diesem Forum kann man viele Songs hören, die mit Ableton und Presonus Studio One usw. erstellt wurden.“

Paulo, du hast gesagt... „Deshalb gefällt mir, dass Magix Music Maker der Fantasie des Künstlers freien Lauf lässt und nicht der Fantasie einer Maschine.“

Vielen Dank für deine Antworten, Matthias. Wir hatten mit dem Community Manager gesprochen, der Magix kürzlich verlassen hat, mit Benutzern, die nicht nur Magix-Produkte, sondern auch andere DAWs wie die oben genannten Produkte besaßen und ihre Kreationen auf diese Website hochgeladen haben.

Die Idee für Magix bestand darin, einfach der Konkurrenz zuzuhören und Feedback zu erhalten, warum Benutzer andere Software verwenden und wie Magix seine Musiksoftware verbessern könnte.

Da wir noch keinen neuen Community-Manager haben, glaube ich nicht, dass dieses Problem so stark verfolgt wird, und es scheint keine Einschränkungen beim Hochladen von Musik zu geben, die mit den von Ihnen erwähnten DAWS erstellt wurde.

Matthias, du hast gesagt ......Vielleicht ist es eine gute Idee, einen Filter zu implementieren, der das Hochladen von Audiodaten verhindert, die nicht mit Magix-Produkten erstellt wurden.“

Das ist eine großartige Idee, aber sie würden wahrscheinlich ein KI-Programm benötigen, um solche Aufgaben auszuführen. lol, es ist offensichtlich, dass KI in vielerlei Hinsicht präsent sein wird.

Paulo: Ja, vom Benutzer erstellte Musik macht im Allgemeinen mehr Spaß und ist kreativer, und dennoch verändert sich die Technologie bei der Erstellung von Musik, einschließlich der Erstellung von Videos. Die Sache ist, dass der Benutzer nie viel Zeit damit verbracht hat, es zu erstellen, er hat die Struktur der Musik nicht gelernt. Für mich ist das ein vergängliches Gefühl oder eine Erfahrung, die keinen wirklichen Zweck hat, außer, das Ergebnis einer künstlichen Maschine zu genießen, nicht einer menschlichen.

Wir dürfen nicht vergessen, dass diese Plattform ursprünglich geschaffen wurde, um Nutzern von Magix-Produkten die Möglichkeit zu geben, ihre musikalischen Kreationen zu präsentieren, um Feedback und Verbesserungstipps zu erhalten.

Einige Nutzer und Produktbesitzer der Magix-Software wagten, wie oben erwähnt, den Versuch, die DAWs der Konkurrenz auszuprobieren, was sie auch spannend fanden, aber in diesem Fall wurde die Musik immer noch von einem Menschen und nicht von einer Maschine erstellt.

Wie auch immer wir es betrachten und angesichts der ständigen Veränderungen in der Musikproduktionssoftware bleibt diese Website immer noch eine Plattform, um tatsächlich Musik von Grund auf zu erstellen.

Danke

Stephan 😊
 

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Paulo.Costa wrote on 7/2/2024, 9:35 AM

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Philip-J wrote on 7/2/2024, 10:49 AM

Music Maker 2024 Premium comes with Song Writer AI. Using it would be a case of using Magix software to create music. It can be argued that the personal input came from selecting the samples and sections desired to be in the song the AI creates. You could change your rule to exclude AI from all sources including Magix.

 

I have had my doubts about the posters who post tracks of them only playing an instrument. If they were using Magix software, was it only as a microphone? Maybe they added an effect or two. Lots of software can do that. I don't see anything special to Magix being used.

 

I have my doubts too about covers. Someone else wrote the song.

 

I have occasionally posted tracks where the music wasn't created with Magix. The argument here is that the means of producing this music no longer exists. There will be no fresh creations. It relies on hardware and software from companies that went out of business decades ago. It can be of great interest to hear what this music sounded like.

 

 

 

 

 

PATIENT-X wrote on 7/2/2024, 11:13 AM

@Philip-J

Hi

I did mention the use of creating music with Magix software, but your right A.I Song Writer is included, I am not a fan of it even though as you say, the user is collecting samples to be grouped together for the A.I to create a song or piece of music, that's fine if you are learning for the first time, but it could become a habit where users simply use A.I song writer regularly and become lazy and not learning the craft.

But it's their choice whatever they do with the software and it is Magix software in the end.

I can understand users using an A.I app or software wanting to create great sounding music which impresses them by simply adding in some text.

I also understand some users will be annoyed that someone who owns Magix software can use and upload their A.I offerings, but other users who wish to do the same with another application cannot?

But the very same users of Magix software purchase Magix sample kits as well.

I have tried the apps and the final result can be quite surprising of how good it can be, it may be the future of music production.

If Magix wishes to allow users to upload third party A.I apps that created music using A.I then the Community Rules would need to be updated to reflect such changes, and until then third party A.I apps are not permitted.

Best wishes

Stephen 😊

Hallo

Ich habe die Möglichkeit erwähnt, Musik mit der Magix-Software zu erstellen, aber Ihr passender A.I Song Writer ist im Lieferumfang enthalten. Ich bin kein Fan davon, obwohl der Benutzer, wie Sie sagen, Samples sammelt, die für die A.I gruppiert werden sollen, um einen Song zu erstellen oder ein Musikstück, das ist in Ordnung, wenn Sie zum ersten Mal lernen, aber es könnte zur Gewohnheit werden, wenn Benutzer einfach regelmäßig A.I. Songwriter verwenden und faul werden und das Handwerk nicht erlernen.

Aber es ist ihre Entscheidung, was sie mit der Software machen, und am Ende ist es die Magix-Software.

Ich kann verstehen, dass Benutzer, die eine KI-App oder -Software verwenden, großartig klingende Musik erstellen möchten, die sie beeindruckt, indem sie einfach etwas Text hinzufügen.

Ich verstehe auch, dass einige Benutzer sich darüber ärgern werden, dass jemand, der Magix-Software besitzt, ihre KI-Angebote nutzen und hochladen kann, andere Benutzer, die dasselbe mit einer anderen Anwendung tun möchten, dies jedoch nicht können?

Aber die gleichen Nutzer der Magix-Software kaufen auch Magix-Beispielkits.

Ich habe die Apps ausprobiert und das Endergebnis kann ziemlich überraschend sein, wie gut es sein kann, es könnte die Zukunft der Musikproduktion sein.

Wenn Magix Benutzern erlauben möchte, KI-Apps von Drittanbietern hochzuladen, die Musik mithilfe von KI erstellt haben, müssen die Community-Regeln aktualisiert werden, um diese Änderungen widerzuspiegeln. Bis dahin sind KI-Apps von Drittanbietern nicht zulässig.

Beste Wünsche

Stephan 😊

 

 

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Vio-Project wrote on 7/2/2024, 3:30 PM

Hallo Stephen!
Danke zunächst für diesen nützlichen Hinweis! 👍
Zugegeben ich habe schon so eine KI-App ausprobiert, war aber am Ende unzufrieden, da ich nach meinen Vorgaben zwar ein fertiges Musikstück bekam, aber ich konnte es am Schluß nicht mehr nach meinen Wünschen verändern, da ich keine einzelnen Spuren für die jeweiligen Instrumente hatte, sondern nur eine Audiodatei - lol. 😐
Ich arbeite jetzt schon seit über 20 Jahren mit dem Musik-Maker, und es macht mir großen Spaß aus den verschiedensten Samples von MAGIX selbst etwas kreatives zusammenzubauen. Und wenn ich dann das fertige Stück der Community vorstelle, freue ich mich über die Meinungen der Zuhörer. 😉
Bis bald und LG von Sylvio😎

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Hello Stephen!

First of all, thank you for this useful tip! 👍

Admittedly, I have already tried an AI app like this, but was ultimately dissatisfied because although I got a finished piece of music based on my specifications, I was no longer able to change it to my liking because I didn't have individual tracks for the respective instruments, just an audio file - lol. 😐

I have been working with Music Maker for over 20 years now, and I really enjoy putting together something creative myself from the various samples from MAGIX. And when I then present the finished piece to the community, I look forward to hearing the listeners' opinions. 😉

See you soon and best wishes from Sylvio 😎

PATIENT-X wrote on 7/2/2024, 4:20 PM

@Vio-Project

Hi Sylvio, thanks for your feedback on this topic and you certainly know how to create great music, cheers 😉👍🍺🍺🍺

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snibchi wrote on 7/7/2024, 3:23 AM

@MuBike-Dummy @Paulo.Costa

.........

Matthias, du hast gesagt ......Vielleicht ist es eine gute Idee, einen Filter zu implementieren, der das Hochladen von Audiodaten verhindert, die nicht mit Magix-Produkten erstellt wurden.“

Das ist eine großartige Idee, aber sie würden wahrscheinlich ein KI-Programm benötigen, um solche Aufgaben auszuführen. lol, es ist offensichtlich, dass KI in vielerlei Hinsicht präsent sein wird.

.......

Danke

Stephan 😊
 

Hi Stephan

Nein. Es bedarf nur eines Wasserzeichens welches MM in Audiofiles implementiert und beim hochladen geprüft wird. Siehe hier: Audio-Wasserzeichen - Fraunhofer SIT

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PATIENT-X wrote on 7/7/2024, 4:45 AM

@snibchi

Hallo

Vielen Dank für die Informationen, die sinnvoll sind und die besagte Musik identifizieren, selbst wenn sie MP3 oder gestreckt ist, da sie besagte Musik-Uploads dennoch erkennen, um sie zu unterscheiden und zu überprüfen.

Danke

LG Stephen 😊

Hi

Thank you for the information, that makes sense and would do the job of identifying said music even if it's MP3 or stretched as it states would still recognise said music uploads to differentiate and check them.

Thank you

LG Stephen 😊

 

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cmartin wrote on 8/1/2024, 8:55 AM

Hi!

War sehr interessant hier mal zu lesen und ich bin auch für selbst gemachte Musik, keine KI Musik.

Mit Magix Music Maker und dieser Community hab ich viel gelernt und bin froh, dass ich mir das Programm damals gekauft habe. Es macht immer noch Spaß und ausgelernt hab ich garantiert noch nicht.

Diese Plattform gefällt mir auch immer noch am besten.

Viele liebe Grüße Chris

StoneFace wrote on 8/7/2024, 5:34 AM

AI-generated music has nothing to do with independently created pieces of music and does not belong here.
On the question of the DAW... I use different DAWs because there is no one-size-fits-all solution. This also has to do with VSTs that are not from Magix. It's also not a question of the DAW, but of doing it yourself.
It's also called uploading: Yes, I am the author of this work and agree to its publication in the community.
If the AI is the author, then the human cannot be the author and therefore does not belong hier her.

KI-generierte Musik hat nichts mit unabhängig geschaffenen Musikstücken zu tun und gehört nicht hierher.
Zur Frage der DAW... Ich verwende verschiedene DAWs, weil es keine Einheitslösung gibt. Das hat auch mit VSTs zu tun, die nicht von Magix sind. Es ist auch keine Frage der DAW, sondern eine Frage des Selbermachens.
Man nennt es auch Uploaden: Ja, ich bin der Autor dieses Werkes und mit der Veröffentlichung in der Community einverstanden.
Wenn die KI der Autor ist, dann kann der Mensch nicht der Autor sein und gehört deshalb nicht hierher.

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PATIENT-X wrote on 8/7/2024, 5:42 AM

Hi Stony

You said ......"If the AI is the author, then the human cannot be the author and therefore does not belong here"

Thank you, eloquently said, you are correct, if A.I is the author then said music has not been created so therefore does not deserve any merit or feedback.

I will further add that many of these A.I mobile app companies are being sued by major record labels due to copyright infringement and due to said ongoing legalities has no place here at Magix.

LG Stephen

Hallo Stony

Er sagte… „Wenn KI der Autor ist, dann können Menschen nicht der Autor sein und gehören daher nicht hierher.“

Vielen Dank, eloquent gesagt, Sie haben Recht, wenn A.I. ist der Autor, dann wurde besagte Musik nicht erstellt und verdient daher keine Anerkennung oder Rückmeldung.

Ich möchte auch hinzufügen, dass viele dieser KI-Mobile-App-Unternehmen von großen Plattenfirmen wegen Urheberrechtsverletzungen verklagt werden und die laufenden Rechtsstreitigkeiten hier bei Magix keinen Platz haben.

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PATIENT-X wrote on 8/9/2024, 3:05 PM

Spotify platform is being ruined by a.i generated music uploads many say.

But Spotify have now taken the approach to remove said music as there are current legal proceedings in process with regards to copyright and it was discovered many listeners prefer human created music which relies on creativity, imagination and style.

Stephen 😊

Viele sagen, dass die Spotify-Plattform durch KI-generierte Uploads ruiniert wird.

Aufgrund des anhaltenden Urheberrechtsstreits und der Erkenntnis, dass viele Hörer menschliche Musik bevorzugen, die auf Kreativität, Vorstellungskraft und Stil basiert, hat Spotify nun den Ansatz gewählt, A.I.-Musik zu entfernen.

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Gustavo_Garcia_Enrich wrote on 12/1/2024, 9:19 AM

First of all, I want you to know that I work for a AQ compute who develops AI ready Data Centers, so my view cant be not entirely objective.

We are entering a new era, the Alan Turing test was passed, so if difficult to discover if you are talking with a machine or a real human.

I agree that the platform is created for Magix software users, but how long will it be until Magix introduces AI tools into their software. The main software has done it, Photoshop, Premiere, Adobe Audition, Autocad, and most rendering programs. Utilities such as Power BI also use Deep Learning and Big Data in their analitics.

Since Ray Kurzweil in 1999, they began to study how human intelligence worked and the future they planned is today.

Technology enters our lives almost without us realizing it. Who would think of traveling by car today using paper maps? Who sends a physical letter by physical mail? Without us realizing it, one day we will be sitting traveling in an autonomous car. Someone still rewinds a cassette with a pencil?

The wave is coming.

In fact Music Maker is a software that allows you to mix samples made by others. You are not playing a saxophone or a violin following a score that you imagined, but rather you choose among different alternatives the one you like more. You are not fully free, the machine do art of the job for you.  Its title is also eloquent, Music Maker" makes Music for you.

How many people here actually play an instrument? Most only mix samples. How many people here actually play an instrument? Most only mix samples without even knowing how to read an eighth note in a musical score.

Is this right or wrong? I really don't know, but the wave is coming...

In my particular case I have made songs in Music Maker adding my own Guitar. I have added voices, which are always the same in Music maker. I have made songs with all the instruments played by me and even with my voice. I've experimented with AI, I wrote the lyrics, select different voices, spli the song in tracks, add VST plugin to get the sound I want and add my own lead guitar in some parts and mix them all in Reaper. Music maker is not a DAW, or at least not a good and flexible one

 The AI ​​learns from you, learns your tastes and styles and discards those from the songs you delete. Someday it will create something very close to what you want to create and play without having to have a band. If you pay a license, the copyright is yours and you have the right to publish it and even monetize your song.

Music Maker an AI are different kind of tools, but at least there are tools for making music.  And finally, music is music, something can make you feel sensations, transport you to places, generate a mood and many other things.

Are you the creator? maybe not completely but it surely has your imprint, your style, your lyrics. You have to learn how to write a right promt to get what you want. You have to learn design the structure of your song. Some software let you sing a melody an it turns to a full song. The possibilities are unimaginable and improve day by day.

The possibilities are unimaginable and improve day by day, but ultimately it is also a tool based on algorithms created by the human.

I know that many people will not agree with me, there is always fear of change, but maybe in a few years this will not be a topic of discussion.

We can talk about this for hours, but the wave is coming, the only thing left to do is decide whether to jump on it until you get tired, let it hit you or get on it and surf it.👀👀

PATIENT-X wrote on 12/1/2024, 9:46 AM

@Gustavo_Garcia_Enrich

Hi Gustavo

Users purchase Magix music maker software, and in turn they also purchase Magix Soundpools and also Acid samples, this creates revenue for Magix.

Some users previously were using mobile phone A.I apps and creating a song within seconds, that is not creating music from scratch, why should a user receive merit for a song they did not create?

Yes using Magix samples allows you to learn how to put a piece of music together by integrating drums, bass, guitars, synths etc and slowly building up said project musically and taking the time to absorb your piece and by learning as you progress through time, using an A.I app to instantly create a song teaches you nothing?

Let's be clear even using samples does not instantly make you a musician, I have heard other folks work over the years with no musical direction, no continual flow and sometimes constructed badly, so yes there is a learning process for the beginner.

It's all about fun and learning and creating your own style and version.

For example four users can download the same Magix Soundpools kit, but they will have their own style and method to create their version, none of the four users music will be the exact same.

Everyone has their own signature in music, you will find variation in such projects.

A.I music has no such human thought involved, it's an entity of scientific process absent of human methods.

You may state that Music Maker has an A.I song maker, but in order to use it, users would buy samples from Magix which creates revenue for the company, A.I third party song creator apps does not bring in any revenue.

Uploading AI-generated music violates the Community Rules, Section 4, first section.

"The media section within the community offers you the opportunity to share "your" creations...."

As mentioned songs created by third party A.I apps or software is not permitted.

Stephen

 

 

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