VPX/MMS frame rate variable

Roberto-Goncalves wrote on 11/12/2024, 1:05 PM

Hi,

Why is it not possible to enter values ​​(variables)
for the frame rate in key frames in the speed effect?
(only with mouse!) For values ​​below 0.25
working with the mouse becomes a hassle!

Thanks!

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johnebaker wrote on 11/13/2024, 2:35 AM

@Roberto-Goncalves

Hi

The Speed factor and Frames rate settings are linked, you can only use one or the other.

Speed factor values less than 0.25 and greater than 4.0 are not possible when the clip has audio attached.

The warning message to detach/remove the audio, unless you have turned off the error message, should appear.



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Roberto-Goncalves wrote on 11/13/2024, 7:32 AM

Hi

in this case, the audio is not part of it!
These situations below 0.25 and above 4.00 
(without audio) 

See that in the end all the work is lost from 
the moment I use the icon that adjusts the length 
of the clip in the example the video below:

characterizes program inconsistency or illogicality!

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AAProds wrote on 11/13/2024, 7:51 AM

@Roberto-Goncalves

Roberto, I would think that the designers would not expect that someone would go to the trouble of setting speed keyframes then use the Object Stretch mouse mode. What would be the point?

If that indeed is what you want, a workaround would be to set up the various keyframes as you did, then export that section and bring it back in and apply the Object Stretch mouse mode to the length you desire.

All my forum comments are based on or refer to my System 1.

My struggle is over! I built my (now) system 2 in 2011 when DV was king and MPEG 2 was just coming onto the scene and I needed a more powerful system to cope. Since then we've advanced to MP4 and to bigger and bigger resolutions. I was really suffering, not so much in editing (with proxies) but in encoding, which just took ages. A video, with Neat Video noise reduction applied, would encode at 12% of film speed. My new system 1 does the same job at 160% of film speed. Marvellous. I'm keeping my old system as a capture station for analogue video tapes and DV.

System 1

Windows 11 v23H2 severely modified by Openshell and ExplorerPatcher

Power supply: 850W Cooler Master (should have got modular)

CPU: Intel i7 13700K running at 3400mhz, cooled by a Kraken 2x140mm All In One liquid cooler.

RAM: 64gb (2x32gb sticks) G.Skill "Ripjaws" DDR4 3200Mhz

GPU 1: iGPU UHD 770

GPU 2: NVidia RTX 3060Ti Windforce 8gb

C drive: NVME 500gb

Various other SSD and HDDs.

Monitor: 27"/68cm Samsung, 2560 x 1440, 43 pixels/cm.

MEP 2021 version 20.0.1.80

Movie Studio 2023 version 22.0.3.172

Magix Video Easy version 7.0.1.145

System 2

(Still in use for TV and videotape capture)

Windows 10 v22H2

CPU: i5-750 at 2670mhz with 12gb RAM

Onboard IEEE1394 (Firewire) port

GPU: ATI Radeon HD 4770 (512mb) which is ignored by MEP

Hard drives: C Drive 256gb SSD, various other HDDs.

Monitor: Dell 22"/56cm, 1680x1050, 35 pixels/cm

MEP 2021 version 20.0.1.80

Movie Studio 2023 version 22.0.3.172

VPX 12

Roberto-Goncalves wrote on 11/13/2024, 8:04 AM

@AAProds

Note that it is normal to work with low frame rates to build, for example, a speed ramp or, in my case, I use speed to correct shakes and I can do it in many cases where the "native" stabilization effects cannot regularize. For example, Vegas Pro, since previous versions, has allowed the user to type the speed in the key frames, seeking precision and thus avoiding inconvenience as in the example I gave.

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AAProds wrote on 11/13/2024, 8:22 AM

@Roberto-Goncalves

You can type the speed for each keyframe: just click the speed box, type in what you want, then hit Enter.

I thought the problem issue is the Object Stretch after you've set all the keyframes.

PS: Yet another example of the clumsy change at the time of the new SPR. You can't set an initial anchoring 1.00 speed keyframe because the keyframe control panel is greyed out. You have to set the play marker, set a different speed to 1.00, hit Enter (which creates a keyframe), then reset the speed at that keyframe back to 1.00.

All my forum comments are based on or refer to my System 1.

My struggle is over! I built my (now) system 2 in 2011 when DV was king and MPEG 2 was just coming onto the scene and I needed a more powerful system to cope. Since then we've advanced to MP4 and to bigger and bigger resolutions. I was really suffering, not so much in editing (with proxies) but in encoding, which just took ages. A video, with Neat Video noise reduction applied, would encode at 12% of film speed. My new system 1 does the same job at 160% of film speed. Marvellous. I'm keeping my old system as a capture station for analogue video tapes and DV.

System 1

Windows 11 v23H2 severely modified by Openshell and ExplorerPatcher

Power supply: 850W Cooler Master (should have got modular)

CPU: Intel i7 13700K running at 3400mhz, cooled by a Kraken 2x140mm All In One liquid cooler.

RAM: 64gb (2x32gb sticks) G.Skill "Ripjaws" DDR4 3200Mhz

GPU 1: iGPU UHD 770

GPU 2: NVidia RTX 3060Ti Windforce 8gb

C drive: NVME 500gb

Various other SSD and HDDs.

Monitor: 27"/68cm Samsung, 2560 x 1440, 43 pixels/cm.

MEP 2021 version 20.0.1.80

Movie Studio 2023 version 22.0.3.172

Magix Video Easy version 7.0.1.145

System 2

(Still in use for TV and videotape capture)

Windows 10 v22H2

CPU: i5-750 at 2670mhz with 12gb RAM

Onboard IEEE1394 (Firewire) port

GPU: ATI Radeon HD 4770 (512mb) which is ignored by MEP

Hard drives: C Drive 256gb SSD, various other HDDs.

Monitor: Dell 22"/56cm, 1680x1050, 35 pixels/cm

MEP 2021 version 20.0.1.80

Movie Studio 2023 version 22.0.3.172

VPX 12

Roberto-Goncalves wrote on 11/13/2024, 8:45 AM

@AAProds

After adding the keyframe, the program does not allow data entry in the frame rate field!
It should! But that is not what happens!

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Roberto-Goncalves wrote on 11/13/2024, 8:50 AM

I ask you to confirm the latest version of VPX16 because despite having recorded it on MMS2024, the VPX16 of the "test" version installed on another machine here is 22.0.1.215 (UDC2)

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emmrecs wrote on 11/13/2024, 8:57 AM

@Roberto-Goncalves

The latest version of VPX16 is 22.0.1.247 (just updated today!)

Jeff

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Roberto-Goncalves wrote on 11/13/2024, 9:31 AM

@emmrecs

Can you post the history of this version here?
Is this version exactly after version 22.0.1.244?

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AAProds wrote on 11/13/2024, 9:34 AM

@Roberto-Goncalves

After adding the keyframe, the program does not allow data entry in the frame rate field!
It should! But that is not what happens!

Yes, sorry, you're right. Whether it "should" or not is the issue. The frame rate droplist is active when you haven't adjusted the speed (or reset the speed effect). It would be good if you could set the framerate. Perhaps put in a feature request to Support.

A bug I have found is that you can't adjust the speed of a keyframe by clicking the green box on the object (turning it yellow). The speed is adjusted for the keyframe that the Play marker is on, not the one you clicked. If the Play marker is in a blank area on the object, a new keyframe is created there.

All my forum comments are based on or refer to my System 1.

My struggle is over! I built my (now) system 2 in 2011 when DV was king and MPEG 2 was just coming onto the scene and I needed a more powerful system to cope. Since then we've advanced to MP4 and to bigger and bigger resolutions. I was really suffering, not so much in editing (with proxies) but in encoding, which just took ages. A video, with Neat Video noise reduction applied, would encode at 12% of film speed. My new system 1 does the same job at 160% of film speed. Marvellous. I'm keeping my old system as a capture station for analogue video tapes and DV.

System 1

Windows 11 v23H2 severely modified by Openshell and ExplorerPatcher

Power supply: 850W Cooler Master (should have got modular)

CPU: Intel i7 13700K running at 3400mhz, cooled by a Kraken 2x140mm All In One liquid cooler.

RAM: 64gb (2x32gb sticks) G.Skill "Ripjaws" DDR4 3200Mhz

GPU 1: iGPU UHD 770

GPU 2: NVidia RTX 3060Ti Windforce 8gb

C drive: NVME 500gb

Various other SSD and HDDs.

Monitor: 27"/68cm Samsung, 2560 x 1440, 43 pixels/cm.

MEP 2021 version 20.0.1.80

Movie Studio 2023 version 22.0.3.172

Magix Video Easy version 7.0.1.145

System 2

(Still in use for TV and videotape capture)

Windows 10 v22H2

CPU: i5-750 at 2670mhz with 12gb RAM

Onboard IEEE1394 (Firewire) port

GPU: ATI Radeon HD 4770 (512mb) which is ignored by MEP

Hard drives: C Drive 256gb SSD, various other HDDs.

Monitor: Dell 22"/56cm, 1680x1050, 35 pixels/cm

MEP 2021 version 20.0.1.80

Movie Studio 2023 version 22.0.3.172

VPX 12

emmrecs wrote on 11/13/2024, 9:42 AM

@Roberto-Goncalves

Sorry, I have no information about the history of this version.

22.0.1.244 was the immediately-preceding version.

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Roberto-Goncalves wrote on 11/13/2024, 9:55 AM

I had opened a ticket with technical support referencing this post precisely because these issues deal with inconveniences and loss of work!

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Roberto-Goncalves wrote on 11/13/2024, 12:11 PM

@emmrecs

In this last version (244), if possible, see: create a clip on the timeline that is longer than 1 second (important). Transfer it to the project folder. Navigate to it in the project folder and play the playback from the source monitor and evaluate if it will play until the end corresponding to the created size. (If it only plays up to 1 second then they didn't fix the existing bug!)

Thanks!

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browj2 wrote on 11/13/2024, 1:33 PM

@Roberto-Goncalves

Hi Roberto,

The did not fix the Project Temp Folder duration bug.

Please remind them and I'll do the same.

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Roberto-Goncalves wrote on 11/13/2024, 2:24 PM

@browj2

Hi and ok! All content in this topic is under the knowledge of technical support, through a ticket that I opened.
What I have to say: Magix please! Help us so that we can help you!

Thanks!

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