Transition centered on a cut

tpolakov wrote on 5/6/2024, 4:55 AM

Hi,

is there an easy way to change all cuts on a track to crossfades(or other transitions), which would be centered on the points where the cuts were? That is, an 8 frame fade would take up 4 frames of the end of the first clip and 4 frames of the beginning of the second one.

The only way I could find to create a centered fade is to use the edit trimmer. However, if I then try to apply the same transition to the rest of the track, it will just apply that transition to the beginning of each clip, in effect shortening the content of the track.

Thanks

 

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AAProds wrote on 5/6/2024, 5:29 AM

@tpolakov

A way: set up your fade in and out on one object (I find the Object Trimmer better: you can set the fadeout number of frames), then RC Video Effects>Copy. Then paste them onto the other objects. You can select all the other objects and paste in one hit if you wish.

I'm not aware of a Transition that will do what you want; I suppose it's not really a Transition/Fade if there's no interaction between the two objects.

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tpolakov wrote on 5/6/2024, 5:49 AM

@tpolakov

A way: set up your fade in and out on one object (I find the Object Trimmer good), then RC Video Effects>Copy. Then paste them onto the other objects. You can select all the other objects and paste in one hit if you wish.

I'm not aware of a Transition that will do what you want; I suppose it's not really a Transition/Fade if there's no interaction between the two objects.

Thank you... But this is not what I am looking for.

In my case, the neighboring clips have been trimmed previously, so there are spare frames to create the transition. With an existing cut (0 frames transition), I go to the Edit trimmer and increase the transition duration. It does exactly what I want - > it creates the crossfade by expanding it in both directions from the existing cut point. The problem is, I can't seem to copy this over to the next cuts this way. It will just take the resulting transition size and apply the transition at the beginning of the next clip.
The closest I got was to move to the next cut within the edit trimmer and manually increase the transition length. This will eliminate the need to move to each next object and invoke the trimmer.

In fact, this way of applying a transition is default in Davinci Resolve when dragged to a cut between clips(if there is enough frames in both clips to do it), so I was just trying to replicate this in VideoProX.

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johnebaker wrote on 5/6/2024, 7:56 AM

@tpolakov

Hi

If I am reading your post correctly, you want the same transition and length for all the transition points in the project.

. . . . an 8 frame fade  . . . .

In this case apply the transition between the first and second clip (objects), click the transition icon on the object and select Transition length, in the dialog that opens set the right hand value to in your example 08 as shown below and click OK.

Select the transition icon again and click the second of the 2 options indicated in the image below below

Note the options have slightly different results depending on where you create the transition in the timeline.

HTH

John EB
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AAProds wrote on 5/6/2024, 8:36 AM

@johnebaker

John, that will in effect shortening the content of the track. My understanding is that that isn't wanted.

@tpolakov

Could you post a screenshot of a correctly set-up transition.

All my forum comments are based on or refer to my System 1.

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System 1

Windows 11 v23H2 severely modified by Openshell and ExplorerPatcher

Power supply: 850W Cooler Master (should have got modular)

CPU: Intel i7 13700K running at 3400mhz, cooled by a Kraken 2x140mm All In One liquid cooler.

RAM: 64gb (2x32gb sticks) G.Skill "Ripjaws" DDR4 3200Mhz

GPU 1: iGPU UHD 770

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johnebaker wrote on 5/6/2024, 9:34 AM

@AAProds,

Hi Al

@tpolakov posted:

. . . . the neighboring clips have been trimmed previously, so there are spare frames to create the transition.. . . .

As I understand this, the overlap/shortening of the timeline has already been allowed for, so the shortening of the total runtime is not critical.

John EB

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browj2 wrote on 5/6/2024, 9:47 AM

@tpolakov

Hi,

Unless I have missed something somewhere, VPX will always take the right clip and move it over the left one to make a transition as Al has pointed out, except in the Edit Trimmer, as you found. The Edit Trimmer will untrim the left trimmed clip towards the right and untrim the right clip towards the left, or you can do it manually on the timeline by dragging each end over the other.

The only thing that I can suggest is modifying your workflow. If you know that you want an 8 frame transition, then when you trim your clips, leave 8 frames at each end for the transition. However, I suspect that this would be more time-consuming than using the Edit Trimmer to go along the timeline to make the untrim-type transition.

There is another potential problem. When you apply a transition to all on the track, it moves the right objects over the left objects, but it also moves material that is on other tracks, except audio objects. This may or may not be what you want.

One other point, an 8 frame transition is not 4 from the end of the left clip plus 4 from the beginning of the right clip, it's an overlap of 8 frames for each side. So, if you just left 4 frames at the left end, when you make the transition in the Edit Trimmer, you will untrim 4 frames to the left of the cut point, but at the same time, you are untrimming the left clip and it will go 4 frames to the right of your cut point, thus eating up another 4 frames of your right clip, for a total of 8 frames.

An option to create crossfades/transitions by untrimming where possible rather than by overlapping would be a nice feature to have.

John CB

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browj2 wrote on 5/6/2024, 9:50 AM

@johnebaker

Hi John EB.

I see that you posted while I was typing. My understanding is that the clips have been trimmed and should stay where they are. Creating transitions should not affect the duration, unfortunately, it does by moving the right clip over the left one.

John CB

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tpolakov wrote on 5/6/2024, 10:16 AM

@tpolakov

Hi,

Unless I have missed something somewhere, VPX will always take the right clip and move it over the left one to make a transition as Al has pointed out, except in the Edit Trimmer, as you found. The Edit Trimmer will untrim the left trimmed clip towards the right and untrim the right clip towards the left, or you can do it manually on the timeline by dragging each end over the other.

The only thing that I can suggest is modifying your workflow. If you know that you want an 8 frame transition, then when you trim your clips, leave 8 frames at each end for the transition. However, I suspect that this would be more time-consuming than using the Edit Trimmer to go along the timeline to make the untrim-type transition.

There is another potential problem. When you apply a transition to all on the track, it moves the right objects over the left objects, but it also moves material that is on other tracks, except audio objects. This may or may not be what you want.

One other point, an 8 frame transition is not 4 from the end of the left clip plus 4 from the beginning of the right clip, it's an overlap of 8 frames for each side. So, if you just left 4 frames at the left end, when you make the transition in the Edit Trimmer, you will untrim 4 frames to the left of the cut point, but at the same time, you are untrimming the left clip and it will go 4 frames to the right of your cut point, thus eating up another 4 frames of your right clip, for a total of 8 frames.

An option to create crossfades/transitions by untrimming where possible rather than by overlapping would be a nice feature to have.

John CB

Hi John CB,
yes your summary is correct on all points, including what I called expanding and you describe as "untrimming".
I would also vote for that option to be implemented straight on the timeline, without the need to go to the object trimmer.
Thinking about it, probably the main problem is the base philosophy of the transition being linked to clip, instead of it being a separate object that would just affect the clips it overlaps with.
Anyway, thank you again.

Tomas
 

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