Slow Export and Lack of features

Darren-Shotton wrote on 12/28/2023, 12:54 PM

magix a disgrace for not sorting the export speeds after four years im out beacuse So many free softwares for editing blowing magix out the water , i wont rebuy there's no point my free microsoft can almost compete with some excellent features i dont have to pay for i have 3 free editors i can bounce around and now magix so slow with rizen so frustrating and annoying 8 min vids 20 min exports nahh Im out, my phone works better

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Darren-Shotton wrote on 12/28/2023, 12:58 PM

By the way facebook has copyrighted strikeds the music i paid for from you ive disputed so is it my music or not? that comes with magix

CubeAce wrote on 12/28/2023, 3:15 PM

@Darren-Shotton

Hi.

Your phone works better because it has a newer processor type than your computer and is designed for the operating system it works on. Once a phone gets to a certain age, normally more than four to six years old it can no longer use newer versions of Android or if an iPhone the newer Apple operating system. That's if the battery has lasted that long.

ARM processors used in all smart phones have proven to be more efficient than either Intel of AMD processors and both are scrabbling to catch up with chiplet designs which will eventually catch up over the next few years as the Microsoft operating system slowly transfers how it works. Windows has to always be slightly backwards compatible to allow older machines to run for a while. That is mainly for the benefit of businesses rather than the average consumer who collectively spend much less than corporations. Mobile phones on the other hand is more consumer lead and the difference in sales volumes makes change more rapid and people do seem to like to spend on newer phones than computers that are less so. Never think that any phone is ever more powerful than a top specified computer of the same generation. It isn't. It's just phones are much cheaper.

Yes there are a lot of free video editors out there but nearly all have limitations of not having as many transitions or effects or sometimes are limited to the resolutions or file formats they will work with. Such programs do not need much processing and will work faster than programs that do more as they do not multitask as much.

If you are bouncing the output of one video editor to another it means using copies and copies are never as good as the original files. Once you get to third or fourth generational copies degradation of the image or sound track can occur. Not always that noticeable if one is very careful, but then if working that way how is that quicker than waiting for one render?

Do not confuse Royalty free with copyright free. They are two different things and you need both for commercial use or you can use such a limited file buying a limited use copyright licence. Normally such basic licenses start at around $50.

Royalty free music file with Copyright rights can be found on the internet if needed but it will not stop certain people or companies from making claims, and having to defend against them is common. A copyright strike is not necessarily a bad thing that will prevent the video from being shown but if gone uncontested any proceedings the person that posted the video may earn from the video goes directly to the people who filed the copyright claim.

This is a user forum only so no Magix staff are ever present. So not 'our' software. Nor is it yours, you just own a licence for use. Look at the terms and conditions. It's the same for all modern software.

Ray.

 

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AAProds wrote on 12/28/2023, 4:33 PM

Unless you had just the "right" components, Magix was an exporting dog. On my old system, Videoredo was 10 times faster encoding than Magix. Even reviews I read said it was slow.

Allegedly, the new "Infusion engine" has dramatically sped-up export times. I have no benchmarks to prove this though.

All my forum comments are based on or refer to my System 1.

My struggle is over! I built my (now) system 2 in 2011 when DV was king and MPEG 2 was just coming onto the scene and I needed a more powerful system to cope. Since then we've advanced to MP4 and to bigger and bigger resolutions. I was really suffering, not so much in editing (with proxies) but in encoding, which just took ages. A video, with Neat Video noise reduction applied, would encode at 12% of film speed. My new system 1 does the same job at 160% of film speed. Marvellous. I'm keeping my old system as a capture station for analogue video tapes and DV.

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johnebaker wrote on 12/29/2023, 2:24 AM

@Darren-Shotton, @AAProds

Hi

The computer spec you have provided is not sufficient for us to help, therefore we need more information on it to help diagnose the issue(s) you are having:

Including Windows version and program full name and version number, see this topic for further information that is required and please quote processor and graphics card make/model in full.

I would suggest you put this information in your profile signature so we do not have to keep asking for it.

Are the graphics card/integrated GPU drivers up to date?
 
A screen shot of the Program settings, Device options tab  would help.

What video format, codec and resolution are you using - to help with this download and install MediaInfo and analyse one of the clips causing the issue and post the results, see this tutorial on how to setup MediaInfo and analyse a video clip for all the data required.

. . . . Allegedly, the new "Infusion engine" has dramatically sped-up export times . . . .

That depends on what it is being compared to - there is no one standard for all, what I get on my PC and laptop, both Intel CPU/iGPU and Nvidia RTX 2060 is not comparable to what you would get on a Ryzen with a Nvidia or AMD GPU.

As an example in a project with 4K UHD 3840x2160 50fps video on the timeline and cut or crossfade transitions only, 4K UHD 3840x2160 50fps export times for me are are real time or better, exporting as FullHD 1920x1080 50fps export time is about 50-60% of realtime. These figures are a significant improvement over what I was getting before with older versions of MEP and CUDA hardware acceleration.

However if I add a LUT or colour correction to all the video clips the export speed can drop down to as much as 2x real time, throw in a few collages or Picture in Picture, titles etc the export time increases, throw in Noise reduction then the export speed can drop as low as 5 fps.

The question is how much of this improvement is due to hardware and how much due to the Infusion engine???

John EB
Forum Moderator

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