Record on Samplitude Music Studio 2014 in mono

eesummers wrote on 12/26/2014, 11:41 PM

Hello,

I have a Samplitude Music Studio 2014 hooked up to a Focusrite ITrack.  When I record, the vocal always comes out of the left side speaker and the guitar out of the right speaker.  Can I record in mono so that the sound of instruments/voice are not separated into the two speakers but come out as mono?

Thanks

Ed

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browj2 wrote on 12/26/2014, 11:59 PM

Hi Ed,

I expect that it can be done and I will look tomorrow, but I would never do this. No matter how good you think that you can record the 2 very dissimilar sounds, the gain will never be perfect, the voice and the guitar won't be perfect, and each will require different work and effects. Keep the 2 separate. Once recorded, you can separate the 2 channels into 2 tracks, and then copy each to the other channel, so that you end up with vocal on track 1, l and r, and guitar on track 2, l and r. Now you are free to make all of the adjustments to each that you want, separately, including stereo adjustments and panning.

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johnebaker wrote on 12/27/2014, 3:48 AM

Hi

Assuming Studio is similar to Music Maker then you can make the vocals/audio 'stereo' as follows:

Right click the audio track and select Audio Effects, Stereo Processor.

From the drop down options select  Both channels = left

You can then use the balance control to position the audio on the sound stage.

HTH

John

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browj2 wrote on 12/27/2014, 2:46 PM

Hi Ed,

It's not as easy as I indicated. Sorry about that. I haven't done this for quite a while and was trying to guide you from memory.

There are 2 ways to get the channels separated; each gives a different result.

A. Using Audio Clean Lab 2013 or Audio & Music Lab 2014 Premium (AML) - will give 2 mono files, 1 for each channel

  1. Copy (keep the original safely elsewhere) the wave file to the AML or ACL folder
  2. Import the wave file into AML
  3. Click on Stereo
  4. Click on 2 tracks
  5. Right-click on the object and select "Split stero channels." This will automatically split the left and right channels onto separate tracks and at the same time create separate left and right wave files - check the AML folder to see that they now exist
  6. Do any cleaning that you want and re-export the files and append something like "cleaned" to the left and right filenames (skip this step if you don't do any cleaning).
  7. Copy the left and right (or l & r cleaned) files to an SMS2014 folder
  8. Close AML, open SMS2014 and import the 2 files to separate tracks. You now will have the mono file of each channel on separate tracks.

B. SMS2014 -  will end up with 2 files or objects, each in stereo. Each file/object will have only one original channel but now on both channels, i.e. the old left channel will be on both channels of the first new object, the old right channel will be on both channels of a separate second new object.

There are actually 2 moethods to do this. In each case, work with copies of the original file. Illustrations of the steps are below.

First method will use a second copy of the file:

  1. Create another copy of the original file in the folder but with a different file name
  2. Import both copies into SMS, one on track 1, the other on track 2
  3. Right-click the object on track 1 and select Edit, Wave editing
  4. This opens the wave editor
  5. Right click, select Offline effects, then Process only right stereo channel
  6. Right click, select Offline effects, then Switch channels. This will put the left channel onto the right channel. I would have thought that it would be the other way around, but it isn't.
  7. Right click, select Offline effects, then Process only right stereo channel. This removes the checkmark from the right stereo channel and allows access to both channel, which are now the old left channel.
  8. Now you can branch to the second method or keep going here
  9. Exit the wave editor by clicking on the X at the upper right - not the program X, but the X below it for the wave editor.
  10. Repeat for the object on track 2
  11. Right-click the object on track 1 and select Edit, Wave editing
  12. This opens the wave editor
  13. Right click, select Offline effects, then Process only left stereo channel
  14. Right click, select Offline effects, then Switch channels. This will put the right channel onto the left channel.
  15. Right click, select Offline effects, then Process only left stereo channel. This removes the checkmark from the left stereo channel and allows access to both channel, which are now the old right channel.
  16. Exit the wave editor by clicking on the X at the upper right - not the program X, but the X below it for the wave editor.
  17. Final result, track 1 has 2 channels containing the old left channel (voice); track 2 has 2 channels containing the old right channel (guitar)

Image 1 - Steps 1 to 3

Image 2 - Step 4 & 5

Image 3 - Step 6

Image 4 - Step 7

Image 5 - Step 9

Image 6 - Steps 10 to 13

Image 7 - Steps 14

Image 8 - Step 15

Image 9 - Steps 16 & 17

Second method:

  1. Import a copy of the wave file onto track 1
  2. Do steps 3 through 7 above
  3. Right click in the editor and select Export audio, Wave
  4. Name the file the same as before but add left or voice to the end of the file name
  5. Undo a couple of times to get back both original channels in the Wave editor
  6. Do steps 13 to 15 above to get the other channel set up onto both channels
  7. Right click in the editor and select Export audio, Wave
  8. Name the file the same as before but add right or guitar to the end of the file name
  9. Exit the wave editor
  10. You have now created 2 wave files, one for the old left channel but with it on both channels, and one for the right channel
  11. You can delete the imported file from the arranger
  12. Import the 2 new files onto tracks 1 and 2. You can see that each one has identical information on each channel, i.e. track 1 has voice on both channels, track 2 has guitar on both channels.

Image 10 - Step 1

Image 11 - Steps 3 & 7 - do and export for each channel

I will probably do up a video tutorial to demonstrate these.

Let me know if this helps.

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johnebaker wrote on 12/28/2014, 5:33 AM

Hi

@ JohnCB - does Studio have the Convert stereo into two mono objects option as in MMM2015?

 

If so can you try it please ( I dont' have all my manuals with me or Studio on the laptop), to create the two seperate tracks from the single object, then use the Stereo Processor (or equivalent) as I posted before .

Cheers

John

PS the snow has arrived - this is the 3rd day almost continuous snowfall.

 

 

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browj2 wrote on 12/28/2014, 10:56 AM

@John EB,

Hi John,

Here are the object right-click menu screens. Not at all the same as MMM. MMM has similar commands to AML and ACL2013. It's strange that this feature is not in Samplitude Music Studio; or at least I can't find it.

Glad to hear that you got the snow that I sent, but I sent too much. It's mostly gone here and the grass is green.

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eesummers wrote on 12/28/2014, 12:03 PM

Thanks for all your answers.   I think the ultimate answer is going to be John's suggestion of purchasing Audio and Music Lab 2014 Premium and doing it through there.  From everyone's various posts I think I've found a suitable workaround in Music Studio.  Right click on each track—Effects/Stereo-Phase/ Rack Multiband Enhancer then click the user drop down, if you’ve recorded an instrument click " both channels=right", if you’ve recorded through the vocal channel click both channels=left (through ITrack.

Thanks again,

Ed

browj2 wrote on 12/28/2014, 5:15 PM

Hi Ed,

Looks like you've got a good solution that should work. Just remember that if you want to buy the cleaning product, to get AML2014 Premium and not ACL2014. There is a significant difference. AML2014 Premium allows you to make adjustments on the parameter screens, N/A in ACL, has 5 eFX Essentials that are very good, and allows you to add in external VST's.

eFX Essentials:

In SMS2015 you have:

• eFX Compressor
• eFX VocalStrip
• eFX ChorusFlanger
• eFX Phaser
• eFX StereoDelay

In AML2014 Premium:

• eFXGate
• eFXDeEsser

• eFXVocalStrip
• eFXChorusFlanger
• eFXTubeStage

I've highlighted the ones that are not in the other, and I have not been able to use them in the other program. Magix told me that they were unique to the program, which I find strange.

For completeness, here is the Stereo Enhancer presets screen from AML2014 Premium:

Or this for better quality.

Here is the Stereo Enhancer presets screen from SMS2015:

Or this for better quality.

There are quite a few differences.

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