@ron-griswold

Hi

@me_again

Has pointed you to the information we require from the technical side.

On the practical side,

. . . . i captured from a VHS tape . . . .

Was this done using a USB Video Grabber directly into Movie Studio or some other software and what recording settings did you use?

The MediaInfo analysis of the video that is being imported would help - see this tutorial on how to setup and analyse a video clip to get the data required.

John EB
Forum Moderator

john , i used a pinnacle dazzle as my interface between my pc and VHS player. i then used Magix video recorder and saved directly to a folder on my pc. my pc specs as follows. processor . intel i9-9900k , motherboard gigabyte z390-e , hard drive 500 gig m.2 , video card MSI 1660 super . 32 gigs of ram .

settings were ...

MPEG-2-Export (DVD)
Video: MPEG-2; 720x576i; 29.97 frames/s; CBR 4500 kbit/s; SOFTWARE encoding
Audio: MPEG layer 2; Stereo; 48000 Hz; 224

Like i said it plays fine outside of MS 2025 i'm having difficulty getting the mediainfo working . i'll keep trying

thank you, ron

@ron-griswold

Hi Ron

Thanks for the info on your system and how you recorded the VHS capture.

The MediaInfo data will gives us a clue to what is going on, there is no issue with tthe PC system except the use of the Dazzle as capture device?

As an aside I have had 2 different model Dazzle devices, neither could be used with any other software, they are 'locked' to Pinnacle Studio. Which model is yours?

John EB

Pinnacle Dazzles unpacked:

@AAProds

Hi Al

Thanks for the link.

Confirms that my DVC 170 is locked to Pinnacle software, the older DVC150 is also locked.

Time to clear out all my old hardware.

John EB

i'm using a dvd100 . i guess i'm not understanding what you mean by " locked" i've used it on several different software's over the years

@ron-griswold

Hi

'locked' means, in this case, can only be used with Pinnacle Studio, it is not available for other software to use for video capture.

Do you have the MediaInfo data on the recording?

John EB

i have been trying to get the medialinfo but don't understand what i'm looking at . i did install the app. as far as my dazzle being locked. i have used it with several editing programs with no issues.

@ron-griswold @johnebaker

To be clear, Ron's Dazzle 100 is not locked. See 2:14 in that YT.

Ron, re MediaInfo, open the file, then on the View menu, click on "Text". The file's details (lots of!) will be displayed.

Then, simply copy all that text displayed and paste it here.

so i went radical, every year i like to wipe my drive and start fresh. so formatted my drive and reinstalled everything. it seems to be running good. i had Realtek drivers which contained sonic studio within it. SS is know to cause a lot of different audio issues . i can tell you gamers hate SS. Movie studio in some ways is much better than pinnacle studio "which i have used for many years" . it's a lot more stable , faster loading and doing tasks and i like the simple layout. on the down side of MS ... it's more compacted and it does thing a lot different than i'm used to. for me pinnacle failed dramatically when it comes to never fixing several performance and crash issues. i decided to stay with MS as it's a lot less stressful not having to deal with continuous lock up's and crashes . sorry i didn't mean to rant. I'm thankful for forums where people help in a timely manner . i can say i will be asking a lot more questions . so many thanks in advance. happy holidays

@ron-griswold

One of the pleasures in life... a fresh install of Windows and Magix! Glad to hear you got yourself "in-sync"! 😀

@ron-griswold

Hi

. . . . i had Realtek drivers which contained sonic studio within it . . . .

Sounds like you had installed the Asus version of the Realtek drivers which includes the Sonic Studio software.

Personally I only install the genuine Realtek drivers, having found that some sources, ie motherboard/system bulders, laptop manufacturers and Windows driver update, do not always enable all the features of a Realtek sound card.

John EB

yes john i did. i was going to install realtek drivers directly from realtek but wasn't sure if sonic would be with it. i didn't think so but didn't want to chance it.

well, my joy was short lived . i still have the sync issue so i installed mediaArea . so here's what i have ..

General
Complete name                            : C:\Users\rcfly\Videos\dave tape 2.mpg
Format                                   : MPEG-PS
File size                                : 4.10 GiB
Duration                                 : 2 h 1 min
Overall bit rate mode                    : Constant
Overall bit rate                         : 4 841 kb/s
Frame rate                               : 29.970 FPS

Video
ID                                       : 224 (0xE0)
Format                                   : MPEG Video
Format version                           : Version 2
Format profile                           : Main@Main
Format settings                          : BVOP
Format settings, BVOP                    : Yes
Format settings, Matrix                  : Default
Format settings, GOP                     : Variable
Format settings, picture structure       : Frame
Duration                                 : 2 h 1 min
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Bit rate                                 : 4 500 kb/s
Width                                    : 720 pixels
Height                                   : 480 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 3:2
Frame rate                               : 29.970 (30000/1001) FPS
Standard                                 : NTSC
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
Bit depth                                : 8 bits
Scan type                                : Interlaced
Scan order                               : Bottom Field First
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.434
Time code of first frame                 : 00:00:00:00
Time code source                         : Group of pictures header
GOP, Open/Closed                         : Closed
Stream size                              : 3.83 GiB (93%)

Audio
ID                                       : 192 (0xC0)
Format                                   : MPEG Audio
Format version                           : Version 1
Format profile                           : Layer 2
Duration                                 : 2 h 1 min
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Bit rate                                 : 224 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 2 channels
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate                               : 41.667 FPS (1152 SPF)
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Stream size                              : 194 MiB (5%)

Menu
Format                                   : DVD-Video

@johnebaker @ron-griswold

Hi.

Personally I don't think having the Sonic Studio program installed with the Asus RealTek audio drivers is a problem.

Everything in the Sonic Studio can be turned off and I have never had less functionality out of the Windows audio settings section because it was installed. Just make sure everything within it is turned off.

Although I would say it is wise not to turn the settings fully up if you expect to have stability from those programs, say using 32 bit @ 192kHz, and possibly best practice to make all inputs and outputs the same. I am running four different video editors and three daws using 24 bit 96kHz settings all round with the only limits being my own stupidity on occasion think my system will handle many tracks and effects at the same time. (A use of a multiple 48kHz at 24 bit seems to work just fine in the video and daw programs.)

Audio editing wise that successfully currently stands at 52 audio tracks running 34 vsts of varying complexity and resource requirements.

With video editing in VPX that apparently comes down to two audio tracks and a further 12 tracks with a mixture of elements (photo, titling, animation and video) to produce video without too many problems.

As for your video data.

I personally don't think I have seen a variable GOP structure before in any MediaInfo data before. Normally that would follow a steady pattern with the structure mentioned.

It also helps anyone here to possibly identify problems more easily if you put your complete system specs in your signature. It could be massively helpful.

Ray.

@ron-griswold

Hi

Thanks for the MediaInfo data, what I was expecting to see is not there, ie Variable framerate, so the video file appears not to be the problem.

Try the following:- right click the video file(s) on the timeline and select Create (new) frame table, save the project, this should fix the audio sync.

John EB

ok so i have an update.. I AGAIN started from the beginning. here's what i learned.. with MS2025 itself installed on a very "bare system fully updated" i can capture a 2 hour video using a dazzle dvc100 with no issues. the captured video will play fine using windows media player however when inserted into a timeline using MS 2025 the audio starts going out of sync near the end of the recording again it plays fine otherwise. i have tried to do the create frame table and the only thing it does is cut the video " most likely at the point where it goes out of sync". so i end up with a shorter clip than when i started. so i decided to try installing my old pinnacle studio 21 as a alternate plan to get this videos onto a DVD. when i did that not only did the video captured in PS 21 have a lot of static " like before" but it somehow changed something in MS 2024 as well . so anything captured using 2025 also has a lot of static. so for the 3rd time i dumped my system and only installed 2025 and that's where i am at now.... i can capture a video but can't edit it successfully . lastly a bug that i found was if i try to use magix capture by itself it will come up but as so as i select any of the input options ,it closes out and .. nothing . I'm all ears lol

@ron-griswold

If you could give the exact specs of this

a very "bare system fully updated"

That may prove to be extremely useful. Never confuse the ability to play a file back successfully on any given machine with the ability to edit it.

They are entirely two different processes requiring certain specifications to be met including the versions of the graphics drivers used. An explanation of what is required to help members fault find is in the sticky post here.

Ray.

@ron-griswold

Greetings, do you fancy taking 5 minutes to do a simple little test? If so :

1. Download and extract Pazera Audio Extractor from https://pazera-software.com/products/audio-extractor/ - It's "portable" so no installing required.
2. Make a copy of your awkward file and rename it, for example to test.mpg; anything really that's different to your original.
3. Add this test.mpg to the Audio extractor, make sure "try extract original audio stream" is selected, select the Output Directory and click OK.
4. Place the test.mpg you created on the MS 2025 timeline but DO NOT play it.
5. Make sure you have audio and video on separate timeline tracks, ungroup the tracks and delete the audio,
6. Add your extracted audio to the timeline but DO NOT group the audio and video.

Does the audio stay in sync when played?

If so, all is well. If not repeat the above process but instead of using "try extract original audio stream" use MP3 with everything set to AUTO.

Does that work?

AndyW

edit - other audio extractors are available. If you already have one then use that. I use Pazera because it's small and easy and, most important, free 😉

@me_again

Andy, have you tried that technique exporting a WAV from Magix and bringing that back in?

@ron-griswold

Ronald, if the audio is going progressively more out of sync as time goes on, you can stretch the audio, independently of the video. Ungroup the audio and use the Object Stretch mouse mode on the right hand end to lengthen or shorten the audio.

Or, if the offset is constant, just use the Audio/Video Offset control (Right-Click on the audio track). It offsets the audio, not the video.

@CubeAce

They are entirely two different processes requiring certain specifications to be met including the versions of the graphics drivers used.

That may be so but the point is the file's OK. Magix can't interpret it correctly, for whatever reason.

@AAProds

Greeetings Al,

No, I think is the most positive answer I can give 😃, my reasoning being that when the original video is imported does the Frame Table creation affect the audio which in some way which would then be exported as a Wav and consequently imported.

I don't know the answer to that but I do know that sometimes the "stitching" together of an audio file and a video file (as in creating an mpg for instance) seems to occasionally "miss a stitch" to continue the analogy (is that really an analogy? I've only had one cup of tea so far) and that corruption can cause trouble.

I'm just trying to see if that is the case as the video data seems OK as does the audio data.

Obviously a sample video would be ideal for wider community testing but somehow I feel that may be impractical for @ron-griswold as large files seem to be involved before the audio sync goes out.

AndyW

@AAProds

Whoops, edit problem!! I forgot to add your quote - although I'm sure you know what it was. For correctness, and indeed politeness, I was replying to this one

Andy, have you tried that technique exporting a WAV from Magix and bringing that back in?

It probably makes more sense now.

AndyW

I should have waited until I'd had another cup of tea.