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CubeAce wrote on 10/1/2022, 9:35 AM

@cmichael52

Hi.

Mov. is a proprietary Apple wrapper either containing H265 or H264 information within them. Most mov files that have h264 (MP4) information within them should be able to be read by the old Quicktime app or the Quicktime alternative app although all you need is the wrapper part and not the whole app.

Apple has never really wanted their images or video to be edited on any Microsoft based software and want you to edit on a Mac. They rarely (Think never since the last QuickTime for Windows was released) share their wrapper information with third party software developers unless the program is made to run on their OS. So, if your files use older mov wrappers then they will work, Even Pro res as long as it doesn't go to 10 bit. Those files will look greyed out and messy on the timeline but should look OK in the preview monitor and export OK. If however you are using a newer iPhone on higher quality settings or a new camera that is using the Mov format you may be out of luck and need to convert the files using Handbrake before they can be imported.

Ray.

 

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AAProds wrote on 10/1/2022, 10:42 AM

@cmichael52

It is a pity that Magix staff don't read these posts, because the specs say their programs support import of MOVs.

I have Quicktime itself installed from this page and can open even the current iphone MOVs:

https://support.apple.com/kb/dl837?locale=en_GB

Interestingly, on that page Apple says that MOVs are supported by Windows now (and by every other media program on a computer). Magix is the one at fault.

I don't recommend using Handbrake because it re-encodes the video and audio, wasting time and incurring quality loss, however slight.

AVIDemux can be used to convert the MOV wrapper/container to MP4, which Magix will import, without re-encoding and is super fast. Use the default Video-Copy, Audio-copy settings and set the Output format to MP4 Muxer.

There may be other codec options but I'll need to research that.

 

 

 

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johnebaker wrote on 10/1/2022, 11:07 AM

@cmichael52, @CubeAce, @AAProds

Hi

MOV is a container file format which can have various encoding formats for video and audio, h.264 and h.265 have been mentioned above, however there are also other formats, 3 being JPEG, PNG and Prores encoding of the video - that latter supporting Alpha channel.

. . . . Most mov files that have h264 (MP4) information within them should be able to be read by the old QuickTime app or the Quicktime alternative app although all you need is the wrapper part and not the whole app. . . . .

Quicktime is not required for h.264 or h.265 encoded video with AAC or AC3 encoded audio - this is the 'native' MOV support the program has built in.

For the JPEG and PNG encoded video formats, QuickTime or QuickTime Alternative are required.

The Prores format may be supported by older versions of Video Pro X, IIRC it was not supported in VPX13 nor in the current version 14.

HTH

John EB
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Former user wrote on 10/1/2022, 11:35 AM

A lot of my Boris stuff exports as ProRes, I think they all load into MS2023 with the grey timeline as @CubeAce mentioned but they work & export fine,

I was going through them & creating some new ones, 422 & 444, with/without Alpha,

This one is interesting, exported with Adobe Media Encoder

It plays fine on the timeline, export as MPEG-4 I get this msg but the file does export fine 🤷‍♂️

This is the file if you want to try it https://drive.google.com/file/d/19wOJXo4eTVtD-D6Gv6dcxe_4SxDXE3gE/view?usp=sharing

PS. this is the orig Particle Illusion ProRes 444 that exports without the error msg 🤷‍♂️ https://drive.google.com/file/d/1XFstrXTIZPVMkfkkR-Ovw9w4SAhabIiC/view?usp=sharing

johnebaker wrote on 10/1/2022, 1:55 PM

@Former user

Hi

. . . . ProRes, I think they all load into MS2023 with the grey timeline . . . .

MS 2023 and previous MEP versions do not support all Prores encoded video, VPX did, however there is no mention of it for VPX14.

I cannot test your files at the moment as I am on a slow Internet connection again 🙁, I will be back on a fast connection in a few days.

John EB

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Laptop - Lenovo Legion 5i Phantom - running Windows 11 23H2 on Intel Core i7-10750H, 16GB DDR4-SDRAM, 512GB SSD, 43.9 cm screen Full HD 1920 x 1080, Intel UHD 630 iGPU and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 (6GB GDDR6)

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AAProds wrote on 10/1/2022, 7:10 PM

@cmichael52

Incredibly frustrating...can't import .mov files into projects anymore. 

Can you expand on "anymore". What, if anything on your system, has changed? Updated version of VPX? Different source of your MOVs (new camera)?

Details of the MOVs you are having trouble with would help: you can use the Mediainfo program to open a file. On the View menu, choose Tree, then copy and paste all that text. It will give details of the codecs involved.

It would also help if you could share a short offending clip on Google Drive, Dropbox or similar.

 

 

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All my forum comments are based on or refer to my System 1.

My struggle is over! I built my (now) system 2 in 2011 when DV was king and MPEG 2 was just coming onto the scene and I needed a more powerful system to cope. Since then we've advanced to MP4 and to bigger and bigger resolutions. I was really suffering, not so much in editing (with proxies) but in encoding, which just took ages. A video, with Neat Video noise reduction applied, would encode at 12% of film speed. My new system 1 does the same job at 160% of film speed. Marvellous. I'm keeping my old system as a capture station for analogue video tapes and DV.

System 1

Windows 11 v23H2 severely modified by Openshell and ExplorerPatcher

Power supply: 850W Cooler Master (should have got modular)

CPU: Intel i7 13700K running at 3400mhz, cooled by a Kraken 2x140mm All In One liquid cooler.

RAM: 64gb (2x32gb sticks) G.Skill "Ripjaws" DDR4 3200Mhz

GPU 1: iGPU UHD 770

GPU 2: NVidia RTX 3060Ti Windforce 8gb

C drive: NVME 500gb

Various other SSD and HDDs.

Monitor: 27"/68cm Samsung, 2560 x 1440, 43 pixels/cm.

MEP 2021 version 20.0.1.80

Movie Studio 2023 version 22.0.3.172

Magix Video Easy version 7.0.1.145

System 2

(Still in use for TV and videotape capture)

Windows 10 v22H2

CPU: i5-750 at 2670mhz with 12gb RAM

Onboard IEEE1394 (Firewire) port

GPU: ATI Radeon HD 4770 (512mb) which is ignored by MEP

Hard drives: C Drive 256gb SSD, various other HDDs.

Monitor: Dell 22"/56cm, 1680x1050, 35 pixels/cm

MEP 2021 version 20.0.1.80

Movie Studio 2023 version 22.0.3.172

VPX 12