@jak.willis

Hi

If you have already burned to ISO image or disc, to ensure that any changes you have subsequently made, to the movie and/or the menus, are applied to the ISO image or disc you must re-encode all.

John EB
Forum Moderator

Well at the moment the files are just in the timeline.

@jak.willis

Hi Jak

. . . . Well at the moment the files are just in the timeline. . . .

In that case you should not get the message asking you if you want to Encode all etc. when you burn to ISO image or disc.

However, if:-

• the imported video files are not already in the BluRay encoding format, ie eg h.264 in a m2ts file with the correct framerate and bitrate
• there are images in the project
• the video clips have been trimmed
• titles, captions etc have been added
• added any effects, transitions, etc

then the movie(s) (timeline(s) have to be encoded.

John EB

@jak.willis

Hi Jak

. . . . Well at the moment the files are just in the timeline. . . .

In that case you should not get the message asking you if you want to Encode all etc. when you burn to ISO image or disc.

However, if:-

• the imported video files are not already in the BluRay encoding format, ie eg h.264 in a m2ts file with the correct framerate and bitrate
• there are images in the project
• the video clips have been trimmed
• titles, captions etc have been added
• added any effects, transitions, etc

then the movie(s) (timeline(s) have to be encoded.

John EB

Well the files are H.264, and there have been no changes made in the timeline.

@jak.willis

Hi

. . . . Well the files are H.264, and there have been no changes made in the timeline . . . .

In that case and assuming the video clips have cut 'transition', ie are butted up to each other with no gaps between them, then try turning on the Smart Copy option in the Encoder settings, Advanced settings of the burn dialog

There is no guarantee Smart Copy will copy the video - it is very particular about the source video parameters, if they are not met the encoder will re-render the video.

John EB
 

@jak.willis

Hi

. . . . Well the files are H.264, and there have been no changes made in the timeline . . . .

In that case and assuming the video clips have cut 'transition', ie are butted up to each other with no gaps between them, then try turning on the Smart Copy option in the Encoder settings, Advanced settings of the burn dialog

There is no guarantee Smart Copy will copy the video - it is very particular about the source video parameters, if they are not met the encoder will re-render the video.

John EB
 

Yes, I tried Smart Copy but it didn’t work.

I also ticked smart rendering, but when I exit the dialog then click back into it, I find it has un-ticked itself.

So is there no way at all to simply burn the files to disc with menus?

Should I try with the MainConcept codec?

@jak.willis

Hi

. . . . So is there no way at all to simply burn the files to disc with menus? . . . .

No.

, , , , Should I try with the MainConcept codec? . . . .

As the Smart Copy and Smart rendering did not work, the video files on the timeline are not BluRay compliant.

For BluRay discs to be playable in any BD player, or Player software that supports BluRay, the video files for the movie and the menu(s) must be BluRay compliant irrespective of the encoder used.

With the MainConcept encoder the result will be the same, the non-compliant video will be rendered to be compliant.

There is nothing you can do to get around the BluRay standard's requirement and create a playable disc without rendering at some stage.

John EB

@jak.willis

Hi

. . . . So is there no way at all to simply burn the files to disc with menus? . . . .

No.

, , , , Should I try with the MainConcept codec? . . . .

As the Smart Copy and Smart rendering did not work, the video files on the timeline are not BluRay compliant.

For BluRay discs to be playable in any BD player, or Player software that supports BluRay, the video files for the movie and the menu(s) must be BluRay compliant irrespective of the encoder used.

With the MainConcept encoder the result will be the same, the non-compliant video will be rendered to be compliant.

There is nothing you can do to get around the BluRay standard's requirement and create a playable disc without rendering at some stage.

John EB

So if what I'm trying to do won't work in MEP, is there another authoring/burning software that does allow you to burn the files to disc without re-encoding, and that also lets you create a customized menu?

@jak.willis

Hi Jak

I think you are missing the point - it does not matter which software you use, if the source video files are not BluRay compliant, they will be re-encoded instead of being copied or smart rendered.

You cannot bypass this and create Bluray discs which meet the required standard for a playable disc.

There is much more to a BluRay, and DVD, disc then the video files for the main movie and menus, there are control files, play lists, clip info files and other support files, that the player needs to actually play a disc.

John EB

@jak.willis

Hi Jak

I think you are missing the point - it does not matter which software you use, if the source video files are not BluRay compliant, they will be re-encoded instead of being copied or smart rendered.

You cannot bypass this and create Bluray discs which meet the required standard for a playable disc.

There is much more to a BluRay, and DVD, disc then the video files for the main movie and menus, there are control files, play lists, clip info files and other support files, that the player needs to actually play a disc.

John EB

But yet I could just create a data disc with the files on?

@jak.willis

But yet I could just create a data disc with the files on?

Yes you can, but then the files will not be playable by a Blu-ray player, for the reasons John indicated. A Data Disc is simply a storage method, it is neither intended nor designed to be, in that sense, "playable". Also, therefore, no menus.

Jeff
Forum Moderator

@jak.willis Depending upon your player it may play a Data Disc in the same way it plays videos from a thumb drive if your player has a usb input for thumbdrives.

My experience with a Panasonic player was that it searched the disk for playable files and then showed me a list of the files from where I could select what I wanted to view. It's not the same as a proper menu but usable.

I haven't tried my current Sony Blu-ray player to see if it does the same.

@jak.willis

Hi Jak

I think you are missing the point - it does not matter which software you use, if the source video files are not BluRay compliant, they will be re-encoded instead of being copied or smart rendered.

You cannot bypass this and create Bluray discs which meet the required standard for a playable disc.

There is much more to a BluRay, and DVD, disc then the video files for the main movie and menus, there are control files, play lists, clip info files and other support files, that the player needs to actually play a disc.

John EB

@jak.willis

Hi Jak

I think you are missing the point - it does not matter which software you use, if the source video files are not BluRay compliant, they will be re-encoded instead of being copied or smart rendered.

You cannot bypass this and create Bluray discs which meet the required standard for a playable disc.

There is much more to a BluRay, and DVD, disc then the video files for the main movie and menus, there are control files, play lists, clip info files and other support files, that the player needs to actually play a disc.

John EB

What if I were to choose DVD instead of BD? The files are in 1024x576

@jak.willis

Hi Jak

The answer is still the same, whether DVD or BD, data discs are not compliant with the appropriate DVD or BD standards.

You have to re-encode.

John EB

@jak.willis

Hi Jak

The answer is still the same, whether DVD or BD, data discs are not compliant with the appropriate DVD or BD standards.

You have to re-encode.

John EB

 

I understand what you’re saying and thank you.

So in the case of having to re-encode the files before burning, can you recommend a way of achieving the same quality? I can post a Mediainfo analysis to show you what kind of bitrates the videos are in.

@jak.willis

Hi Jak

. . . . I can post a Mediainfo analysis to show you what kind of bitrates the videos are in. . . .

That would help a great deal so we can see what you are dealing with.

Thanks

John EB

@jak.willis

I don't have a Blu-ray disk player or recorder of indeed any need for one - I don't think anyway - but I've been having a play with this.

I use a program called TSMUXER occasionally and it has a setting for remuxing files (NOT re-encoding) to a Blu-ray folder or iSO. It seems to produce something like Blu-ray operating files but no menu. It can however create a chapter mark where the input files are joined.

As I said, I have no means of testing whether it will produce a useable Blu-Ray disk. I just thought it may help you out.

I also had a warning while playing with remuxing in Tsmuxer that AAC audio apparently is not in the Blu-ray standard. When I saw this I looked MS2025 and indeed it only seems to use AC3 for Blu-ray encoding so that in itself will cause Movie Studio to re-encode your files if AAC is the audio codec you've used.

AndyW

@jak.willis

Hallo Jak

I read your topic.

.....Does anyone know whether there's a way to burn files to BD with the menu you've created, but without having to re-encode all of the videos?.....

When you burn an MVP project file for the very first time as ISO or directly to a Blu-Ray disc, everything of your MVP project file will be encoded.

If you burn your MVP project file multiple times, you will be asked: "Encode All - Encode - Use - Use All - Cancel".

If there are changes made to the MVP project file, you can click on Encode All or Encode / Use. At the top you will see which file you can use or need to re-encode (you have to remember which movie you changed yourself!!).

If you only changed the disc menu, click on Use All and your new disc menu will be recompiled, without re-encoding the rest.

HTH
Rob

@jak.willis

Hello Jak,

....The resolution of the files is 1024x576, but when you go to the burn dialog and select the Blu-ray option, it doesn't allow you to manually set the output resolution. So it gets locked to 1920x1080 and can't be changed....

You can't manually set the resolution of a BD yourself, because a BD file is burned to 1920x1080i by default.

....Surely there must be a way to just burn the files to the disc?....

What do you mean by files? Do you mean your MTS or MP4 files? If you mean added movies, see my previous answer.

HTH
Rob

@jak.willis

I don't have a Blu-ray disk player or recorder of indeed any need for one - I don't think anyway - but I've been having a play with this.

I use a program called TSMUXER occasionally and it has a setting for remuxing files (NOT re-encoding) to a Blu-ray folder or iSO. It seems to produce something like Blu-ray operating files but no menu. It can however create a chapter mark where the input files are joined.

As I said, I have no means of testing whether it will produce a useable Blu-Ray disk. I just thought it may help you out.

I also had a warning while playing with remuxing in Tsmuxer that AAC audio apparently is not in the Blu-ray standard. When I saw this I looked MS2025 and indeed it only seems to use AC3 for Blu-ray encoding so that in itself will cause Movie Studio to re-encode your files if AAC is the audio codec you've used.

AndyW

 

Hello,

Where is the option to remux but no re-encode?

@jak.willis

The clue is in the apps name.

There is no option as such. I'm not by my computer at the moment but if memory serves, all the options at the bottom - TS, Blu-ray ISO etc. - are just for muxing.

The program as far as I know, doesn't have codecs, it just changes or modifies the video container.

This webpage might help

https://www.howtogeek.com/310705/how-to-burn-any-video-file-to-a-playable-blu-ray-disc/

AndyW

Edited because i wrote this on my phone which doesn't really like fat fingers.

@jak.willis

Hello Jak,

Your question is: "How to burn files to BD with menus but without having to re-encode?"
As far as I can tell, @johnebaker and I have answered that. You can burn the files that you have on the timeline of MEP2019 as an ISO file or burn them directly to a BD disc. Only you can not burn your movie project as 1024x576 (16:9) but as 1920x1080 (16:9). But if you burn the movie project to a DVD, your movie project will be burned as 720x576 (16:9) and not at 1024x576 (16:9).

My direct question to you is, why do you want to burn the movie project at 1024x576 (16:9). Then we can perhaps give you a good answer.

Best wishes,
Rob

@jak.willis

Hello Jak,

Your question is: "How to burn files to BD with menus but without having to re-encode?"
As far as I can tell, @johnebaker and I have answered that. You can burn the files that you have on the timeline of MEP2019 as an ISO file or burn them directly to a BD disc. Only you can not burn your movie project as 1024x576 (16:9) but as 1920x1080 (16:9). But if you burn the movie project to a DVD, your movie project will be burned as 720x576 (16:9) and not at 1024x576 (16:9).

My direct question to you is, why do you want to burn the movie project at 1024x576 (16:9). Then we can perhaps give you a good answer.

Best wishes,
Rob

Hello,

Well the problem I’ve got is that the videos themselves are in 1024x576.

The idea was to burn them to either DVD or BD with customised disc menus from where you can select which title to play, etc.

I am going to upload a screenshot of one of the files in Mediainfo for John and anyone else to have a look at.

Is there any way to convert or upscale the videos to 1920x1080 without affecting the quality? Or would it be better to convert them to 720x576 for DVD?

I did attempt re-encoding one of the videos in H.264, and when comparing the output video against the source video, the quality looked more or less the same, except there was a slight shift or change in the overall colour balance/hue/or whatever it’s called.

It’s not that I want to burn them to disc as 1024x576, it’s just I didn’t want to have to re-encode them because of losing quality.