ok. just downloaded and will try.

Windows 10, has internal dvd but am using LiteOn external dvd burner.

update - failed but this is my first time with IMG so probably more to learn.

regarding the media, i tried (between my first post) Wondershare DVD with the IMAGE. stock menu but no chapters and using the first VOB for the whole movie, used PAL but it authored as 23.98 fps and it shows (compared to 25) but it does suggest my blanks are perfectly fine.

@mark-perry

Hi

I can find very little information on the discs you are using, how old are these discs? The date label on the package would suggest they quite old disks, and if they are made by the same manufacturer as other MPM discs I could find, they appear to have a high failure rate.

Using ImgBurn insert a disc and locate the MID data - see image below and post the code

. . . . Windows 10, has internal dvd but am using LiteOn external dvd burner. . . .

Do both support dual layer (DL) discs?

Does the ISO image play OK in VLC?

John EB
Forum Moderator

@mark-perry

I'm rather confused by what you write!

Your topic title mentions problems burning to blu-ray but the warning message about the size of your project and fitting it onto disc clearly indicates you have chosen the DVD option! (A file size of "8151 MB" is very much less than the capacity of even a single-layer BD!)

So, can we first establish exactly what you are trying to do, please?

I suspect you are actually wanting to burn a (fairly large) project to dual-layer DVD, is that correct? If so, this is something I need to do quite regularly.

My process is:

• Complete the project in MMS or VPX, choose the burn option, choose DVD as the output format.
• Choose Image Recorder and, when that warning message about being too large appears, press Ignore.
• When the export is complete, as @AAProds has advised, I use ImgBurn (in Build mode) to create the actual disc(s). There is a very useful "tutorial" on the ImgBurn Support forums about how to do this, found here. (I have printed this out and find it invaluable!)
• Here is where it gets interesting! ImgBurn will check the folder of exported files, not the .iso image, whether it can fit onto a D/L DVD and whether there is a suitable split-point (the place where the laser moves from "Layer 0" to "Layer 1" on the disc). It is at this point where things can get difficult! Unless there is something like a Chapter Point in your file somewhere around "halfway through" ImgBurn will "throw a wobbly" and recommend you do not proceed!
• Then, you need to read https://forum.imgburn.com/topic/6376-how-to-deal-with-the-end-of-the-world-problem-in-imgburn/#comment-64481 (Again, I have printed it out so I can easily refer to it!)
• It does involve a third-party program and some fairly involved "calculations" by the user, but it does work and I can wholeheartedly testify to that!
• If you allow that third-party program VobBlanker to "adjust" the source files in their folder after completing the burn I always use the Create Image option in ImgBurn to create a new .iso of the project. I thus have an Image file that I know will allow me to create any additional copies without hassle.

HTH

Jeff
Forum Moderator

Sorry emmecs Topic title corrected

I tried aaprods Imgburm again this time (i tried twice) and was successful but each time the disc was ejected blank. This nay be my learning it after briefly looking at the Dual Layer thread guide on the Imgburm page.

John I used that brand since 2010ish and have bought 1 then say a year after the first 1 was finished. I store my DVDs in 100 disc wallets and though i play them on the odd occasion they haven't failed yet 'touch wood'.I've got burn dates on the labels so I can track their age.

Yes the ISO and as extracted files played fine on my laptop and my blu rays media player the Vobs played fine. I usually do that before burning a physical disc.

I'll try again tomorrow. Almost bedtime here

@emmrecs

Jeff, I have electronically printed out your post, thanks very much! 👏

@AAProds

Hi Al,

I've had many occasions on which the content of those two linked posts has proved absolutely invaluable to me, so I'm delighted to hear that they and my post were useful!

Jeff

John mpm brand

@mark-perry

Hi

Thanks for the disc info - the discs you have the media ID code I was expecting to see.

From experience I have had serious reliability issues with them, so bad I switched Verbatim and Ritek DVD-R printable face discs, both single and dual layer and have very few bad discs or discs which would play in a wide range of DVD and BD players.

I have had less failures with DVD-R format discs that DVD+R - the latter are supposed to be more reliable.

. . . . Imgburm again this time (i tried twice) and was successful but each time the disc was ejected blank . . . .

Definitely sounds like it is the discs, probably writing at too high a speed, did you try writing at a lower speed - I would suggest at 4x or 2x.

John EB

@johnebaker As you are probably aware nowadays Verbatim is owned by CMC who purchased from Mitsubishi Chemical Corporation in 2019. Even ten years ago some BD-RE Verbatim discs I purchased were actually made by CMC. There are very few disc manufacturers nowadays.

@mark-perry @ericlnz @johnebaker

I can only fully concur with what John wrote.

My personal choice for both single and dual-Layer blank discs for several years has been those manufactured by Ritek. I honestly cannot remember the last time I experienced a writing failure!

Jeff

@mark-perry

Mark, if you want to get your hands dirty, investigate booktyping your disks. Setting the booktype to "DVD-ROM" apparently helps a lot with compatibility with other DVD players.

My Liteon DVD drive (an iHAS324) actually had a firmware update that allowed the booktype to be permanently changed to DVD-ROM and after that I don't recall ever having an issue with DVDs not working (it was a long time ago!).

Imgburn can be used to try to change the booktype provided the drive is identifiable. Might not work though. Have a read of this:

https://www.aimersoft.com/how-to-burn/imgburn-change-booktype.html

@ericlnz

Hi

Thanks for the info, so far they do not appear to have reduced the quality of the Verbatim discs. The Verbatim majority of Verbatim discs I use now are DVD-RW and BD_RE for test burning, usually with DVDA , and final testing before I copy to the appropriate Ritek DVD-R or BD-R.

John EB

F F and F. i still getting nowhere with IMGburn it still keeps doing the process (using emmrecs img guide) and spits out empty discs. i tried the 'create a dual layer dvd' guide using the files at the slow burn speed but even that completely used that disc leaving zero bytes. OK admittedly i'm using the same MPM brand at the moment (cos that's all i got, oh well might as well create fails with them). but i'll have to get some Verbatims and establish if they burn successfully or end up frisbies.

here's my layer break rating for the current project, despite that rating even that would be fine?

so as a general question (ignoring my project for a moment) is Magix's adapted size 8151 out of 8152 using the disc inserted on a quality brand feasable. that's why after the intail fail i trimmed the rate even further so it wasn't full capacity but even that failed. in that case i might as well keep the MPMs for the DVD Recordings (aka taped on my Blu Ray recorder). but then that could suggest the MPMs are quite suitable for DVD recorders cos each disc burned sucessfully and has never failed (touch wood and my good storage) but the laptops internal [Toshiba Tecra]/LiteOn DVD[euau108]/another LiteOn but Blu Ray [EB1] burner just can't burn Dual Layer discs and i don't require the option of owning a proper PC Tower if that would be the best option of burning.

so i might have to burn on hold until i get a quality brand to try out. as usual you know what time it is so might as well read the in depth IMG guides while i watch tv and i'm doing a Magix physical burn so see how that goes, its 13 min in with 63 mins (LiteOn external dvd burner) to go but i've been bitten before. * failed after the mixing down the 5th vob (154 min 4.97 GB). trying again

@mark-perry

If your whole project is indeed 4.97 GB that is larger than can fit onto a standard, single-layer recordable DVD. Its capacity is 4.7GB.

That would account for the failure of the 5th vob, I think.

Jeff

No it's a dual layer 3h50m. 2nd attempt (i reduced the size a little rather close to full capacity) but it failed. It created 9 vobs, I measured each layer was about 3.7 gb each but on the final part of the process (burning to disc) it started a few times for few minutes then it aborted. Anyway it's off for the night.

50 DL for 45$ exc VAT, i am not very surprised you are having probleme. Try to decrease the burning speed at the minimun x1. If it fails, throw them away. Try Verbatim instead.

Have to wait till the weekend when I get some on Friday, just hope I don't end up with $19 out of pocket and 5 empty jewel cases.

IMGBURN verify - Verbatim 5 pack (not printable surfaces) - MID: MKM-003-00 * the mpms are

still no luck guys, create an IMAGE success but couldn't go to disk with external CD XP Burner even at 1 x speed. * i hadn't quite worked out or touched IMGburn since my last post

sometimes i don't get the Advanced tab > media - with the dvd dropdown boxes.

tried to disc in MEP to external dvd - failed, tried internal dvd drive - and failed!!!

here's the internal drive report

so i don't know WTF is going on, i mean in theory you should be able to put a 4 hr show on dual layer in crappy quality if you made the right adjustments. (am i right?)

i mean a did a Blu Ray IMAGE of it and the stream played fine but didn't commit it to disk in case the dvd got sorted?

over to you guys

@mark-perry

Hi

This very puzzling to say the least!

What make and model are the internal and external writers, also include the data for them found in Device Manager under DVD/CD_ROM section?

John EB

internal dvd drive
HL-DT-ST DVDRAMGUD0N

external drive        dvd writer, plug in, no installation files required
Lite-on It corp.
Slimtype eUA108   5 USB Device
* usb 2.0, cord hard wired, i use a half metre extension due to the 10 cm length

external drive        blu ray writer, no installation files required
Slimtype EB1 USB Device
* LITE-ON Technology Corp.
hook up - USB 3.0 to Micro-B USB 3.0. it comes with the USB > 2 plugs: usb plug and USB power plug but I use a spare usbhdd cord for reading as the supplied cord is short and also not a tight fit.

I wonder if this is relevant. I never do the optional updates and have only allowed the automatic updates and it goes thru the shut-down install procedure but none have happened for a few months now.

https://www.windowsphoneinfo.com/threads/windows-10-no-longer-burns-dual-layer-dvds-or-blu-ray-discs.508998/

I've sent this query to Microsoft Community in case this a Windows 10 issue.