Blu-ray burned with MEP-13 does not play on new Blu-ray players

Ralph_S wrote on 7/17/2022, 5:50 PM

I burned Blu-Ray discs of an adventure using MEP13. At the time, I checked that the discs would play on my two Bluray players (BR/DVD player and PS-2 or 3(?) both connected to my TV) before I sent them to my family. A few days ago I check that disc. It would not be recognized on three relatively new USB BR burners, and my PS4 indicated that it is a "corrupted disc". I asked one of my family to test their copy. He said that it also would not be recognized on his PS4/5, but that it would play on an older PS?

Is this a Codex issue? Is there a way that I can get the newer BR players to recognize the disc so that I can recover the main movie and at least export it to an MP4 video file? I have MVP-14, but can't do anything if the player won't recognize/play the disc.

Casual movie maker of vacations and adventure trips. VP X15, and several previous MEP versions.

Running: Windows 11 Home (10.0.22621 Build 22621), ASUSTeK 64b ROG Zephyrus M16 GU603ZW, 16 GM RAM, Intel i9-12900H, 2500 Mhz; Intel Iris Xe Graphics(1GB, v31.0.101.4502); NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti (1GB,v31.0.15.3667)

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AAProds wrote on 7/17/2022, 11:29 PM

@Ralph_S

Do you see anything in Windows Explorer looking like a DVD or Blu Ray:

(I realise this is a DVD, not a Blu Ray).

All my forum comments are based on or refer to my System 1.

My struggle is over! I built my (now) system 2 in 2011 when DV was king and MPEG 2 was just coming onto the scene and I needed a more powerful system to cope. Since then we've advanced to MP4 and to bigger and bigger resolutions. I was really suffering, not so much in editing (with proxies) but in encoding, which just took ages. A video, with Neat Video noise reduction applied, would encode at 12% of film speed. My new system 1 does the same job at 160% of film speed. Marvellous. I'm keeping my old system as a capture station for analogue video tapes and DV.

System 1

Windows 11 v23H2 severely modified by Openshell and ExplorerPatcher

Power supply: 850W Cooler Master (should have got modular)

CPU: Intel i7 13700K running at 3400mhz, cooled by a Kraken 2x140mm All In One liquid cooler.

RAM: 64gb (2x32gb sticks) G.Skill "Ripjaws" DDR4 3200Mhz

GPU 1: iGPU UHD 770

GPU 2: NVidia RTX 3060Ti Windforce 8gb

C drive: NVME 500gb

Various other SSD and HDDs.

Monitor: 27"/68cm Samsung, 2560 x 1440, 43 pixels/cm.

MEP 2021 version 20.0.1.80

Movie Studio 2023 version 22.0.3.172

Magix Video Easy version 7.0.1.145

System 2

(Still in use for TV and videotape capture)

Windows 10 v22H2

CPU: i5-750 at 2670mhz with 12gb RAM

Onboard IEEE1394 (Firewire) port

GPU: ATI Radeon HD 4770 (512mb) which is ignored by MEP

Hard drives: C Drive 256gb SSD, various other HDDs.

Monitor: Dell 22"/56cm, 1680x1050, 35 pixels/cm

MEP 2021 version 20.0.1.80

Movie Studio 2023 version 22.0.3.172

VPX 12

johnebaker wrote on 7/17/2022, 11:51 PM

@Ralph_S

Hi

. . . . Is this a Codex issue? . . . .

No - the BluRay standard has not changed, modern players must still meet the standard so old discs are palyable unless . . . . .

. . . . . burned Blu-Ray discs of an adventure using MEP13 . . . . .

How long ago?

If the discs are more than 5 - 8 years old then it is most likely a combination of deterioration of the dyes used and possble surface damage to the disc.

. . . . MVP-14 . . . .

Do you mean Video Pro X 14 abbreviated to VPX 14 ?

Do you have the original projects and media archived? If so then you may be able to burn new discs.

On a side note, I keep a 'mastercopy' of the discs I create which are stored in a dark, cool, dry place and check them about every 5 years, I also have backups of every project and media going back to when I started with MEP 11 in 2006.

HTH

John EB
Forum Moderator

 

 

VPX 16, Movie Studio 2025, and earlier versions 2015 and 2016, Music Maker Premium 2024.

PC - running Windows 11 23H2 Professional on Intel i7-8700K 3.2 GHz, 16GB RAM, RTX 2060 6GB 192-bit GDDR6, 1 x 1Tb Sabrent NVME SSD (OS and programs), 2 x 4TB (Data) internal HDD + 1TB internal SSD (Work disc), + 6 ext backup HDDs.

Laptop - Lenovo Legion 5i Phantom - running Windows 11 23H2 on Intel Core i7-10750H, 16GB DDR4-SDRAM, 512GB SSD, 43.9 cm screen Full HD 1920 x 1080, Intel UHD 630 iGPU and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 (6GB GDDR6)

Sony FDR-AX53e Video camera, DJI Osmo Action 3 and Sony HDR-AS30V Sports cams.

Ralph_S wrote on 7/18/2022, 12:40 AM

No, I do not see the DVD player with this disc, however, I do see the player with other discs that play.

Using Powerlink PowerDVD, after some sounds of trying to read this disc, the message "No Media Available" is given.

Casual movie maker of vacations and adventure trips. VP X15, and several previous MEP versions.

Running: Windows 11 Home (10.0.22621 Build 22621), ASUSTeK 64b ROG Zephyrus M16 GU603ZW, 16 GM RAM, Intel i9-12900H, 2500 Mhz; Intel Iris Xe Graphics(1GB, v31.0.101.4502); NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti (1GB,v31.0.15.3667)

Ralph_S wrote on 7/18/2022, 12:56 AM

@Ralph_S

Hi

. . . . Is this a Codex issue? . . . .

No - the BluRay standard has not changed, modern players must still meet the standard so old discs are palyable unless . . . . .

. . . . . burned Blu-Ray discs of an adventure using MEP13 . . . . .

How long ago?

If the discs are more than 5 - 8 years old then it is most likely a combination of deterioration of the dyes used and possble surface damage to the disc.

. . . . MVP-14 . . . .

Do you mean Video Pro X 14 abbreviated to VPX 14 ?

Do you have the original projects and media archived? If so then you may be able to burn new discs.

On a side note, I keep a 'mastercopy' of the discs I create which are stored in a dark, cool, dry place and check them about every 5 years, I also have backups of every project and media going back to when I started with MEP 11 in 2006.

HTH

John EB
Forum Moderator

 

 

John. This disc is almost 10 yrs old. I did not realize that BR discs degraded that fast when stored in the dark! Even if this is the case, I do not understand why it will play on an old PS3 and not PS4 or 5s.

Yes, I mistyped. I am currently running VPX-14. I do have the original MVP file, but unfortunately, due to changing computers, the various components (videos, JPGs, and music) have been moved to external drive(s). As a very last resort, given enough time I could recreate the project. (uugh!) I really wished that VPX had a search function for "missing" component files!

BTW, please remind me how to insert a screenshot into these messages. Thanks.

Casual movie maker of vacations and adventure trips. VP X15, and several previous MEP versions.

Running: Windows 11 Home (10.0.22621 Build 22621), ASUSTeK 64b ROG Zephyrus M16 GU603ZW, 16 GM RAM, Intel i9-12900H, 2500 Mhz; Intel Iris Xe Graphics(1GB, v31.0.101.4502); NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti (1GB,v31.0.15.3667)

AAProds wrote on 7/18/2022, 5:46 AM

@Ralph_S

More Thoughts:

-There is obviously something on the disk if a PS3 can read it OK.

-Try it in another computer to get access to the disk files. Try accessing it with a "proper' computer drive, not a USB drive.

-Install IMGBurn and see if it can read the disk to copy off the ISO or folders.

-If you are desperate, ISOBUster (costs money) may be able to analyse the disk and retrieve your files.

-Reconstructing your project may not be as difficult as you think. If you can locate one of the files (and provided the others are in the same folder as the first one found-the folder can be anywhere), MEP will load all the others automatically. When you first try to open the project, MEP will pop up a dialogue saying it can't find the file. Locate that file (Windows Explorer search?) and then you'll be on your way.

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All my forum comments are based on or refer to my System 1.

My struggle is over! I built my (now) system 2 in 2011 when DV was king and MPEG 2 was just coming onto the scene and I needed a more powerful system to cope. Since then we've advanced to MP4 and to bigger and bigger resolutions. I was really suffering, not so much in editing (with proxies) but in encoding, which just took ages. A video, with Neat Video noise reduction applied, would encode at 12% of film speed. My new system 1 does the same job at 160% of film speed. Marvellous. I'm keeping my old system as a capture station for analogue video tapes and DV.

System 1

Windows 11 v23H2 severely modified by Openshell and ExplorerPatcher

Power supply: 850W Cooler Master (should have got modular)

CPU: Intel i7 13700K running at 3400mhz, cooled by a Kraken 2x140mm All In One liquid cooler.

RAM: 64gb (2x32gb sticks) G.Skill "Ripjaws" DDR4 3200Mhz

GPU 1: iGPU UHD 770

GPU 2: NVidia RTX 3060Ti Windforce 8gb

C drive: NVME 500gb

Various other SSD and HDDs.

Monitor: 27"/68cm Samsung, 2560 x 1440, 43 pixels/cm.

MEP 2021 version 20.0.1.80

Movie Studio 2023 version 22.0.3.172

Magix Video Easy version 7.0.1.145

System 2

(Still in use for TV and videotape capture)

Windows 10 v22H2

CPU: i5-750 at 2670mhz with 12gb RAM

Onboard IEEE1394 (Firewire) port

GPU: ATI Radeon HD 4770 (512mb) which is ignored by MEP

Hard drives: C Drive 256gb SSD, various other HDDs.

Monitor: Dell 22"/56cm, 1680x1050, 35 pixels/cm

MEP 2021 version 20.0.1.80

Movie Studio 2023 version 22.0.3.172

VPX 12

johnebaker wrote on 7/18/2022, 6:52 AM

@Ralph_S

Hi Ralph

Can the PS3 backup the video disc to its internal hard drive and then backup that to a USB memory stick, or possibly copy it direct to a USB memory stick?

The manual would suggest this is possible as the disc has no copy protection on it. I have not had a PS for over 17 years so cannot test.

. . . . I do have the original MVP file. . . .the various components (videos, JPGs, and music) have been moved to external drive(s) . . . .

Remaking the disc may be possible, depending on the folder structure for your projects on the old PC, if you recreate it on the new PC or get something close to it and copy the video, images and music into their original folders and load the project, at worst you will get a popup message saying a file is missing - use the Folder button in the message to point VPX to the location, this may occur several times.

You may also get a message that the Movie Edit Pro default template cannot be read, this is the default template for the disc menu, acknowledge the message. When you come to the Disc Menu you may find it is black, apply a template and everything should be OK.

I tested this with a project from 2009 and once everything is loaded I was able to recreate the disc.

To upload images or short video clips in a post, click the blue circle icon with the upward pointing white arrow above the comment text box.

HTH

John EB

VPX 16, Movie Studio 2025, and earlier versions 2015 and 2016, Music Maker Premium 2024.

PC - running Windows 11 23H2 Professional on Intel i7-8700K 3.2 GHz, 16GB RAM, RTX 2060 6GB 192-bit GDDR6, 1 x 1Tb Sabrent NVME SSD (OS and programs), 2 x 4TB (Data) internal HDD + 1TB internal SSD (Work disc), + 6 ext backup HDDs.

Laptop - Lenovo Legion 5i Phantom - running Windows 11 23H2 on Intel Core i7-10750H, 16GB DDR4-SDRAM, 512GB SSD, 43.9 cm screen Full HD 1920 x 1080, Intel UHD 630 iGPU and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 (6GB GDDR6)

Sony FDR-AX53e Video camera, DJI Osmo Action 3 and Sony HDR-AS30V Sports cams.