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CubeAce wrote on 6/11/2022, 2:27 PM

@Scott-Maas

Hi Scott.

I am at a loss as to what you mean. Do you mean something along the lines of Photoshop and the ability to select Overlay ; Normal ; Soft light; Multiply ; Linear Burn ; etc? If so there are one or two plugins that have some of those options but it is not a basic function of either VPX or MMS. (MEP).

Ray.

 

 

 

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Scott-Maas wrote on 6/11/2022, 2:46 PM

Yes, that is what I am referring to. Final Cut and Premiere have this as a simple option, I guess I thought we had it in VPX. Maybe a good idea for a future addition.

CubeAce wrote on 6/11/2022, 3:24 PM

@Scott-Maas

Hi.

These are essentially layer mask options but with no control over the area it would be applied to.

This would be something you would probably find in the Vegas product range where there would be more control.

With the differences in price and workflow you may as well be using Premier Pro.

Final Cut is really for apple products and they kicked off the blend mode capabilities with their photo editing.

I am intrigued as to what you would use it for. I have only ever used in with still images to seamlessly blend individual images together.

Ray.

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Former user wrote on 6/11/2022, 4:49 PM

@CubeAce Hi forgive me if you know this but blend/composite modes are similar to masks but also a bit different, B/W masks work with maths, black = 0 & white = 1, so if you put a Black on top of a colour its 0 x the colour no' = 0 & so you can see through it, White on top of a colour is 1 x the colour = the colour no' so you see the coloured image, but blend modes are maths composites, the colour on top multiplied, added, divided or subtracted from the colour below, Vegas man talks about it a bit in this vid,

@Scott-Maas I only have MEP/MMS, none of my Boris composite fxs work in MEP, they don't see the track below, & i have Newblue TotalFX, there's lots of filters but i can't think of one that has a full 'blend' list option,

PS Vegas composite options

& GIMP options

 

CubeAce wrote on 6/11/2022, 5:55 PM

@Former user @Scott-Maas

Hi Gid.

I've used Photoshop since 2017, I can understand its use with stills but don't understand its usefulness within video usage. Any chance of a demo?

Ray.

 

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CubeAce wrote on 6/11/2022, 6:25 PM

@Former user @Scott-Maas

Hi Gid.

The examples in the video only dealt with text.

There are other ways of achieving that within MEP and VPX.

Those are some of mine done within MEP.

Ray.

 

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Former user wrote on 6/11/2022, 6:31 PM

@CubeAce Hi, bit hard to select an option but i'll see what I can do, a lot of Boris effects seem to have Screen as their default blend option, most are like you say like a mask, they remove/add white or black in different levels, but some composite one color on top or remove the color blending the two images, they make it so you don't need to add a b/w mask but often as far as i see it's often for effect, I don't use it much & in the Video i posted that's the main Vegas boss man & he doesn't fully understand it 😂😂😂😂

Google search - Screen Blend Mode - 'With Screen blend mode, the values of the pixels in the two layers are inverted, multiplied, and then inverted again. The result is the opposite of Multiply: wherever either layer was darker than white, the composite is brighter.'🥴😂

Scott-Maas wrote on 6/11/2022, 7:18 PM

The idea is to capture rain/fog/smoke/etc and layer it in. Similar to adding certain assets in Photoshop and other editing software. Or the "big moon" trick of getting a close-up of the moon and blending it in a shot that otherwise would have a tiny moon...

CubeAce wrote on 6/11/2022, 7:39 PM

@Scott-Maas

Hi Scott. This is normally done using alpha channel masks in most video editing packages.

I can't find recent experiments I did with normal video backgrounds but here is an earlier one I did.

Just the opening title sequence.

The free program 'Boris Particle Illusion' download from Boris Effects is very good for what you want.

Rain, clouds, fog, lightning, explosions etc are all there and all can be manipulated and altered. Export as a mov Pro Res 422 file that MEP and VPX can import and use.

Ray.

 

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Former user wrote on 6/11/2022, 10:58 PM

@Scott-Maas funny you should mention moon, this is what i was playing with earlier, Moon on a black background,

@CubeAce It isn't any difference to the blending modes in Photoshop, or for me in Gimp ,

johnebaker wrote on 6/12/2022, 5:49 AM

@Scott-Maas

Hi. . . .  It isn't any difference to the blending modes in Photoshop . . . .

Blending and Chromakey are two very different effects.

Blending modes take each corresponding pixel Hue (colour) and/or Luminance (Brightness) and/or Saturation, of the base and target images, to perform various mathematical calculations, for the different blend modes to create a new composite image.

Some blend modes appear to be like Chromakey, however there are subtle and not so subtle differences depending on the base and target image content.

Chromakey removes a specific colour making it transparent.

HTH

John EB

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Former user wrote on 6/12/2022, 6:01 AM

@CubeAce Hi forgive me if you know this but blend/composite modes are similar to masks but also a bit different,

 

@johnebaker You're the first one to mention Chromakey & i've already pretty much said -

Blending modes take each corresponding pixel Hue (colour) and/or Luminance (Brightness) and/or Saturation, of the base and target images, to perform various mathematical calculations, for the different blend modes to create a new composite image.,

Did you bother to read my comments?

 

johnebaker wrote on 6/12/2022, 6:10 AM

@Former user

Hi

Of course - however the comment was meant for @Scott-Maas - I deleted the wrong user tag.

I will correct the tag and add a missing line.

John EB

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PC - running Windows 11 23H2 Professional on Intel i7-8700K 3.2 GHz, 16GB RAM, RTX 2060 6GB 192-bit GDDR6, 1 x 1Tb Sabrent NVME SSD (OS and programs), 2 x 4TB (Data) internal HDD + 1TB internal SSD (Work disc), + 6 ext backup HDDs.

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Scott-Maas wrote on 6/12/2022, 10:03 AM

@Scott-Maas funny you should mention moon, this is what i was playing with earlier, Moon on a black background,

@CubeAce It isn't any difference to the blending modes in Photoshop, or for me in Gimp ,

That’s exactly what I’m attempting! I see you are in Vegas, what would be the VPX equivalent? I was using Chromakey, but was getting an minor outline around the layer to be “blended” and couldn’t get it to fade in like you have. I guess I’m so used to my method in photoshop, that I just need to learn the VPX method.

Former user wrote on 6/12/2022, 10:40 AM

@Scott-Maas I only have MEP/MS but i think it would similar to VPX,

Chroma key to remove any colour not wanted or to make the image transparent in areas,

Color correction or any other effect/filter to alter the two images,

Then the opacity slider on the event on the track to blend the images together.

You can create a lot of the blend modes & I guess there's many combinations of chroma key & effects, but there's no one single 'blend' list, it has to be created manually,

You can create/change the media to a B/W video, export it, then reintroduce between clips, add Chroma key - Alpha & use that as a B/W mask to create different effects, use the Chroma key or the opacity slider to vary how it all blends.

Scott-Maas wrote on 6/12/2022, 10:44 AM

Excellent, thank you for helping!

johnebaker wrote on 6/12/2022, 3:30 PM

@Scott-Maas

Hi

In addition to @Former user's method, a different technique using the Mask generator effect to create a mask and then by adding Chromakey Alpha and changing the Alpha direction arrow you can also create a blend an example is shown below, the timeline looks like this

In the mask generator you can select, Luminance, one of the RGB channels or Alpha (if an image or video clip has an Alpha channel), to create the mask, adjusting the Low and High In/Out parameters to get a suitable mask and by applying Alpha to the mask generated create different blends by adjusting the Alpha parameters and the direction arrow - magenta arrow in image above.

The above timeline example using an image and a video clip looks like this:

Other adjustments that can be made to the image/video clip that becomes the mask are: colour effects/adjustments, art filter effects.

If using more effects the Mask generator followed by Chromakey Alpha must be the last two applied, in that order.

HTH

John EB

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PC - running Windows 11 23H2 Professional on Intel i7-8700K 3.2 GHz, 16GB RAM, RTX 2060 6GB 192-bit GDDR6, 1 x 1Tb Sabrent NVME SSD (OS and programs), 2 x 4TB (Data) internal HDD + 1TB internal SSD (Work disc), + 6 ext backup HDDs.

Laptop - Lenovo Legion 5i Phantom - running Windows 11 23H2 on Intel Core i7-10750H, 16GB DDR4-SDRAM, 512GB SSD, 43.9 cm screen Full HD 1920 x 1080, Intel UHD 630 iGPU and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 (6GB GDDR6)

Sony FDR-AX53e Video camera, DJI Osmo Action 3 and Sony HDR-AS30V Sports cams.

Scott-Maas wrote on 6/12/2022, 4:12 PM

I appreciate your help! Looks like I’ll be busy this week working on these methods!